Surely that was down to personnel though and the fact that nobody once to make things easy at present. When we're actually out there will be a greater appetite and equally I'm certain it doesn't need to be such a convoluted process that takes a inordinate amount of time.In three years we’ve spectacularly failed to replicate 40 EU free trade deals. However long those promoting a WTO brexit claim it will take will be an out and out lie when you compare it to the reality of doing a trade deal.
Surely that was down to personnel though and the fact that nobody once to make things easy at present. When we're actually out there will be a greater appetite and equally I'm certain it doesn't need to be such a convoluted process that takes a inordinate amount of time.
It’s replicating existing trade deals. It doesn’t get any less convoluted than that. The personnel involved are of the same mentality as those trying to sell a WTO brexit. Take them serious at your peril.
pretty certain we will crash out now - no deal - Fuckem they will soon come running back
Yes we'll end up cap in hand to the EU in a few years having spunked all of our political capital up the wallpretty certain we will crash out now - no deal - Fuckem they will soon come running back
Yes we'll end up cap in hand to the EU in a few years having spunked all of our political capital up the wall
Just to be clear I think we will leave with no deal and the Europeans will want us back !
Sounds like every time a PM went to Brussels to negotiate a deal on behalf of the uk
They'll want us back. But they won't offer us the moon on a stick to male it happen.
We're not the big deal we think we are.
Grendel says it will be fine so that’s good enough for meIn three years we’ve spectacularly failed to replicate 40 EU free trade deals. However long those promoting a WTO brexit claim it will take will be an out and out lie when you compare it to the reality of doing a trade deal.
Correct me if I am wrong but I thought UK paid the most per head into the EU - not sure any of the new leaders ( whoever) will get a majority when the deal has to be ratified in our parliament hence the only route will be no deal - it’s my opinion there are othersThey'll want us back. But they won't offer us the moon on a stick to male it happen.
We're not the big deal we think we are.
Correct me if I am wrong but I thought UK paid the most per head into the EU - not sure any of the new leaders ( whoever) will get a majority when the deal has to be ratified in our parliament hence the only route will be no deal - it’s my opinion there are others
Only that the trade between us I imagine is quite significant - imagine the roads without Audi and Renault driversThink the net contribution is around 9 billion, it's not insignificant but I don't think not receiving it will bring the EU down despite what people say.
Only that the trade between us I imagine is quite significant - imagine the roads without Audi and Renault drivers
Only that the trade between us I imagine is quite significant - imagine the roads without Audi and Renault drivers
Grendel will describe wto as bolloxBut again, WTO estimates 2.7 million job losses in the EU, but that's shared between 27 countries.
They estimate 1.5 in the UK so that's going to hit us harder. That's based on a 'hard' Brexit which I Thu k is the only way we can leave now.
Grendel will describe wto as bollox
Would you rather live in Romania, Hungary, Greece etc Pete?
pretty certain we will crash out now - no deal - Fuckem they will soon come running back
I still don't understand why Bojo didn't go for it after Cameron resigned (Brexit vote), Leave won, it was perfect him to put his name forward in the Leader contest, surely?
So why now?
You appear to be under the same illusion as JRM and his ERG. Still under this impression of Empire and that we say something and the rest of Europe/the world does what we want. They don't. It's the same way Trump/the US thinks.
Europe will of course want us back - but they're not just going to do it on whatever terms suits us. They know they've got major leverage in terms of markets and have shown throughout the negotiations that they're holding a lot of the cards whereas we seem to be dealing on the premise that we'll get one on the turn.
I believe most politicians for a while now have been solely career MP's sadly.He did. Then Gove (his major backer) stabbed him in the back saying he didn't believe he could do it and ran himself (only to pull out days later). This made Boris look silly and he withdrew. Boris wasn't really a Leaver (beforehand he quite often, in muted terms, was in favour of the EU) - he was always just going to take the opposite position to Cameron so if Cameron lost it'd trigger a leadership election (which it did). Boris doesn't give a fuck about people, the country or even the Conservatives really - it's all about his own personal ambition and what will help him achieve it. If someone said he'd never be PM as a Tory but was guaranteed the job under Labour I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him switch at the drop of a hat.
It was probably best for him long-term and anyone else and anyone with half an ounce of common sense wouldn't have gone near the job at that point - there was no way to win and getting a deal would be nigh impossible because everyone would have a reason to not like the deal put forward. No-one was going to compromise because by then you've just ended up with something similar to what you already had and made the entire thing pointless.
That's why Cameron walked away - he knew it was a hiding to nothing and whatever stick he got historically for calling the referendum and then walking away would be way better than sticking around and being in charge of the inevitable shitstorm to follow. Personally I'd love for Farage be asked to take over just so he can be proven to be the ignoramus he clearly is, but after that Mogg for the wake up call he'd get on how the world operates now. I don't want to give Boris the satisfaction of the prestige but at least it'd pierce that likeable posh idiot persona people fall for.
Jacob Rees-Mogg stands to make a significant sum from the devaluation of the pound, so I think we can probably discount anything he has to say on the matter.
3.6bn loss not sustainable
jlr annual loss - Google SearchJLR? Lost £300 million Pete
Fake news???
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