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Sky Blue Sheepy · Aug 14, 2012

Once again, wtf is 'Mr. Coventry' playing at. Barely chases, did nothing of note besides letting a ball bounce over his head and will still somehow get in the team. Baker played well and thought the 2 young lads did well too. With Fleck and Barton to come into the side and Kilbane hopefully getting sharper, who doesn't play instead of Sheffers? Sorry if I'm 'picking' on him to some people but really fed up of him not pulling his weight. Thought the back 4 were solid though and Elliot looked good on the rare chances he saw the ball

Jimmy's Chin · Aug 14, 2012

There's always got to be a player that Cov fans have a go at and without Bell playing at the moment, somebody else has to fill the void.

Sky Blue Sheepy · Aug 14, 2012

If someone deserves it then yes they will get it. Were you there? Theres a reason he was subbed first.

Jimmy's Chin · Aug 14, 2012

No, listened on the radio and yes it did sounded like he had a poor game, especially after reading the posts on here. But after the first game of the season does he need to be dropped as some on here reckon he could do well for us this season.

Martin180 · Aug 14, 2012

Elliott will be a good player for us when he get fully fit

Sky Blue Sheepy · Aug 14, 2012

The 2 young lads made some great tackles. Baker was constantly getting past his marker, certainly in the first half, less the second. Kilbane wasn't great but still made a share of blocks and challenges but I don't see anything of note from McSheffrey and that summed up a lot of last season too. Stick him upfront as he seems to nab goals, but imo he offers little in midfield...

sw88 · Aug 14, 2012

Tbf he wasn't the only one to play poorly tonight. I thought Kilbane was ineffective, but converted the desicive penalty.

6 Generations · Aug 14, 2012

sw88 said:
Tbf he wasn't the only one to play poorly tonight. I thought Kilbane was ineffective, but converted the desicive penalty.

"Tis the sign of a good player, that he may provide the decisive moment in a game. I know that in terms of class there is no comparison between Kilbane and Hoddle, but that lad could be anonymous for 89 minutes and decisively world class for 1.
Well done to the team, we normally go out to lower league opposition at this stage of the League Cup.
McSheffrey can be frustrating, his ability questionable, but his commitment to the cause should not be questioned.

PVA · Aug 14, 2012

I thought baker, kilbane and sheff were all poor. Daniels did ok.

Sky Blue Sheepy · Aug 14, 2012

PVA said:
I thought baker, kilbane and sheff were all poor. Daniels did ok.

Personally had no problems with Baker. Certainly Kilbane was off the pace and I've already given my views on Sheff. Ball did fairly well too at times.

sw88 · Aug 14, 2012

PVA said:
I thought baker, kilbane and sheff were all poor. Daniels did ok.

Baker? I disagree. He defended like Ive never seen him defend before.

I forgot Daniels was playing for most of it. But like Wood but that was just the first half mainly.

chem90 · Aug 14, 2012

Martin180 said:
Elliott will be a good player for us when he get fully fit

Totally agree, I also follow Hearts (part-time) and more often than not he was left out on the wing and restricting his goal tally as a result. I am not for 1 minute suggesting that he will be prolific but he will chip in with a few goals as a 2nd Striker (Cody being the main man) and personally I would prefer him to Callum Ball based on their experience. With regards to Macca, his effort is frustrating especially when he is supposed to be Coventry through and through. IMO he is ineffective on the left of midfield as his final product is rarely an assist. For me he is a good finisher and must be played in a central role of some sort. No player in the entire squad is a dead-cert on the team sheet (again IMO) so I am calling upon AT to have the cojones to drop the 'experienced heads' if they are not performing and change this diamond now and again.

speedie87 · Aug 14, 2012

Why are cov fans obsessed with work rate and running tackling.

I can see that up the park, I want to see our attacking players with ability and flair. We have at least 8 players on the pitch trying to stop the other team.

Martin180 · Aug 14, 2012

I think that will change with Fleck and Barton in the side , tonight we had to make do with what was available to us

AndyCov96 · Aug 15, 2012

Martin180 said:
I think that will change with Fleck and Barton in the side , tonight we had to make do with what was available to us

Totally agreed on that one

woody11462 · Aug 15, 2012

Martin180 said:
I think that will change with Fleck and Barton in the side , tonight we had to make do with what was available to us

I think them two will make a difference when we are at home on a good surface but we need players and a system that can grind out a win midweek away from home, like last night. Back four was solid apparently defensively but we need to figure out how to get goals and see games through at them small grounds they aren't used to playing at.

Sky Blue Kid · Aug 15, 2012

Fleck and Barton aren't going to be fit all season, law of average says one or both will be injured at some time, so "Making do with what we've got" is not good enough. Kilbane was way off pace last night, and if he's not fit now, he never will be!
McSheff(I've said this no end of times) is NOT a midfielder and imo should NOT be first on the team sheet, he's a luxury we can't afford anymore.
Once again AT plays the "Diamond" to no effect whatsoever. When will he learn....We don't have the talent to be able to play that shape. 4-4-2 is going to be our strength this season, we don't have the pace on the flanks, and to put in decent crosses. Both Hussey and Clarke were very poor in that department.
I would take a 1-0 win every day of the week, but my god we were lucky last night. Thank the stars Daggers didn't have anyone that could finish, because the result could have looked a lot different.

Mary_Mungo_Midge · Aug 15, 2012

Before we get carried away with Thorn and dismissing his much fabled diamond, why don't we see where we are after 10 games, to see what formations were using when he has a fully fit squad?

Hincha · Aug 15, 2012

Macca has always been a slow starter even when he was on top form. If he stays fit should see the best of him after 7 or 8 games.

Sky Blue Kid · Aug 15, 2012

A friendly bet(Not being a gambler) says it will be err, umm, ermmm........................................."The Diamond"

Mary_Mungo_Midge · Aug 15, 2012

Sky Blue Kid said:
A friendly bet(Not being a gambler) says it will be err, umm, ermmm........................................."The Diamond"

I'll hold you to that, dear chap. Just so long as you promise to take an objective view should it change during games. As far as last night is concerned, with Thomas, Jennings and Barton all out, and other midfield options such as Bell missing; I'm guessing that McSheffrey playing behind the front two seemed best use of resources. Which then really only left 4-3-1-2 or the diamond formations available.

Let's see where our informal wager takes us by October though, eh?

Mucca Mad Boys · Aug 15, 2012

Sky Blue Kid said:
Once again AT plays the "Diamond" to no effect whatsoever. When will he learn....We don't have the talent to be able to play that shape. 4-4-2 is going to be our strength this season, we don't have the pace on the flanks, and to put in decent crosses. Both Hussey and Clarke were very poor in that department.

You just contracdicted yourself! So you're saying 4-4-2 will be our strength but we have no pace nor crossing ability to complement it!? Therefore, you just pretty much said, 4-4-2 is our strength but don't have the players to play it

When Fleck + Barton + Jennings come into the mix, the system will work a lot better.

Stop with the unfounded negativity, we WON and it was AWAY (something we struggled to do last season!), against a fired up D&R at home with nothing to lose!

Mucca Mad Boys · Aug 15, 2012

cov_ind said:
Macca has always been a slow starter even when he was on top form. If he stays fit should see the best of him after 7 or 8 games.

'Macca' has always been slightly over rated because he's a cov lad.

covcity4life · Aug 15, 2012

SkyBlue_Taylor said:
'Macca' has always been slightly over rated because he's a cov lad.

i dunno the season before(during) we sold him to brum he was class

Sky Blue Kid · Aug 15, 2012

SkyBlue_Taylor....

Please read my post again....
I said we haven't got the quality of players to play "The Diamond" culminating in lack of width. Hussey and Clarke were very poor on the overlap, and their crossing was abysmal.
Whereas 4-4-2 gives you natural width, with genuine midfielders who should be able to give crosses into the frontmen(When all said and done they are supposed to be Pro's)
The last 20 minutes of the first half, and the last 25 minutes of the second half, was pretty much one way traffic in Daggers favour......and I nearly forgot......Daggers are a league below us!:facepalm:

Mucca Mad Boys · Aug 15, 2012

He was class, but Cov fans still over rated him.

Annoying thing about McSheff is that he's shown individual class last season on v rare occassions but overall he is poor, gives possession away easily, disruptsmove by shooting at stupid times when moves are developing, he is selfish, and appears as if he isn't fully committed to the cause.

Mucca Mad Boys · Aug 15, 2012

Sky Blue Kid said:
SkyBlue_Taylor....

Please read my post again....
I said we haven't got the quality of players to play "The Diamond" culminating in lack of width. Hussey and Clarke were very poor on the overlap, and their crossing was abysmal.
Whereas 4-4-2 gives you natural width, with genuine midfielders who should be able to give crosses into the frontmen(When all said and done they are supposed to be Pro's)
The last 20 minutes of the first half, and the last 25 minutes of the second half, was pretty much one way traffic in Daggers favour......and I nearly forgot......Daggers are a league below us!:facepalm:

I read it, you must have put it wrong because you said we lack pace and crossing ability, but 4-4-2 would be our strength, which would be a contradiction.

4-4-2 is an old-fashioned, out-of-date formation as England have kindly demonstrated to us and the world, especially when wingerless Italy torn us apart.

The diamond is a formation I think we should keep because the DM and AM (as well as the 2 CMs) can help us dominate midfield etc.

In fact, amuse me and say how you would play a 4-4-2 for Cov

skybluesteve76 · Aug 15, 2012

Sky Blue Kid said:
Fleck and Barton aren't going to be fit all season, law of average says one or both will be injured at some time, so "Making do with what we've got" is not good enough. Kilbane was way off pace last night, and if he's not fit now, he never will be!
McSheff(I've said this no end of times) is NOT a midfielder and imo should NOT be first on the team sheet, he's a luxury we can't afford anymore.
Once again AT plays the "Diamond" to no effect whatsoever. When will he learn....We don't have the talent to be able to play that shape. 4-4-2 is going to be our strength this season, we don't have the pace on the flanks, and to put in decent crosses. Both Hussey and Clarke were very poor in that department.
I would take a 1-0 win every day of the week, but my god we were lucky last night. Thank the stars Daggers didn't have anyone that could finish, because the result could have looked a lot different.

How do you know fleck and Barton won't be fit all season?
If we haven't got the width to
play the diamond where's the width coming from for 442? We have no wingers. I think we are much better set up for the diamond personally.

sylus · Aug 15, 2012

sbk...

the last 20 minutes of the first half,and the last 25 minutes of the second half,was pretty much one way traffic in daggers favour..i could not of said it better myself,the thing is,it will be the norm while the clueless one is here,but he can't hide behind sisu this season.

Sky Blue Kid · Aug 15, 2012

@ SkyBlueSteve76...

It's funny you disagree with my post above.......Yet you liked the same post on the other page?!?!?...Lmfao.

@SkyBlue_Taylor.....

I've got a better idea....why don't YOU amuse me on how "The Diamond" will work for CCFC....after all AT has had a season and a half to make it work?!?! but has failed miserably up to now

skybluesteve76 · Aug 15, 2012

Yeah It made me laugh!

Mucca Mad Boys · Aug 15, 2012

Sky Blue Kid said:
@ SkyBlueSteve76...

It's funny you disagree with my post above.......Yet you liked the same post on the other page?!?!?...Lmfao.

@SkyBlue_Taylor.....

I've got a better idea....why don't YOU amuse me on how "The Diamond" will work for CCFC....after all AT has had a season and a half to make it work?!?! but has failed miserably up to now

Ok,

Jennings
Barton Thomas
Fleck

That is a strong midfield who should be able to create good quality chances whilst keeping the ball, Oh, and in case you haven't noticed, none of them played against D&R or was at the club bar Thomas (who was excellent now got a bit more experience and should do well) last year!

Now back to my question, how would you play the midfield in a flat 4?

Cut out the BS answer the question.

Sky Blue Kid · Aug 15, 2012

@ SkyBlue_Taylor.....

AT had a full season, plus 10 games, plus all the pre season games this season and STILL can't get it right!
And he did this with far superior players than are here atm(Nimely, Norwood, etc, etc)
playing four across the middle gives natural width(4 being a greater number than 3) This spreads width. rather than relying on full backs(Who imo are not up to the job) pushing forward, we would already have 4 across the middle. I also agree with your player choice, albeit across the park and not in a diamond.
playing it your way we're totally open down each flank, which we paid a heavy price for last season didn't we!!!
playing 4 in midfield gives another dimension ie= a) Keeps opposing full backs from making runs in acres of space. b) gives an extra wide man on either side to put in crosses for the frontmen. This lightens the load on our defensive back four, and if we happen to be dominating the game, we can push the full backs up on an overlap as well.
To finish mate....You need super fit, classy players to implement "The Diamond"....Something we don't possess!
Is that enough BS for ya?:facepalm:

Mucca Mad Boys · Aug 15, 2012

Sky Blue Kid said:
@ SkyBlue_Taylor.....

AT had a full season, plus 10 games, plus all the pre season games this season and STILL can't get it right!
And he did this with far superior players than are here atm(Nimely, Norwood, etc, etc)
playing four across the middle gives natural width(4 being a greater number than 3) This spreads width. rather than relying on full backs(Who imo are not up to the job) pushing forward, we would already have 4 across the middle. I also agree with your player choice, albeit across the park and not in a diamond.
playing it your way we're totally open down each flank, which we paid a heavy price for last season didn't we!!!
playing 4 in midfield gives another dimension ie= a) Keeps opposing full backs from making runs in acres of space. b) gives an extra wide man on either side to put in crosses for the frontmen. This lightens the load on our defensive back four, and if we happen to be dominating the game, we can push the full backs up on an overlap as well.
To finish mate....You need super fit, classy players to implement "The Diamond"....Something we don't possess!
Is that enough BS for ya?:facepalm:

NAME the 4 midfielders in your 'magic' formula!

The diamond worked before when he was caretaker.

Also, the games we lost in pre season were when we didn't play the diamond, first game we played with it we won 4-1.

Also, Barton is better than Norwood, how many top teams wanted him, Man U weren't willing to offer a contract, I would have him back in a flash but Barton, before is injury was a wanted man by Liverpool and Chelsea for 5m, Norwood was available for 400k at tribunal!

Nimely scored 1 goal! He was instrumental , yes but his goal:game ratio was poor, Cody got the same as Platt + Nimely in less than half the games! Ball scored more than him at Derby and was a baby, so to speak!

4-4-2 is a bad formation and we don't have players to play it! Even under Coleman + Boothroyd (plus others before). Hats off to Thorn for trying to get us to play this modern way!

fernandopartridge · Aug 15, 2012

SkyBlue_Taylor said:
NAME the 4 midfielders in your 'magic' formula!

The diamond worked before when he was caretaker.

Also, the games we lost in pre season were when we didn't play the diamond, first game we played with it we won 4-1.

Also, Barton is better than Norwood, how many top teams wanted him, Man U weren't willing to offer a contract, I would have him back in a flash but Barton, before is injury was a wanted man by Liverpool and Chelsea for 5m, Norwood was available for 400k at tribunal!

Nimely scored 1 goal! He was instrumental , yes but his goal:game ratio was poor, Cody got the same as Platt + Nimely in less than half the games! Ball scored more than him at Derby and was a baby, so to speak!

4-4-2 is a bad formation and we don't have players to play it! Even under Coleman + Boothroyd (plus others before). Hats off to Thorn for trying to get us to play this modern way!

Barton is better than Norwood. There is zero evidence to support this claim

Top clubs may have been 'after' Barton, whereas Norwood is already at a top club.

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