dongonzalos
Well-Known Member
See above, you can't think past that what others post is about making the council look good.
Their minds made up about what? I have no idea if it is state aid, if it is then it's purely down to the council.
Surely that's obvious?
If you use your logic in a debate
It is the council's fault for everything
Maddison's sale
The move to northampton
It raining today
Traffic on the trip to Port Vale.
You spin whatever others say to suggest that their posts are soley about making the council look good.
So whatever you post is purely to make SISU look good. Let's have whatever post you make spun to suggest it is always sbout making SISU look good.
Astute is wasting his time.
If the Government end up paying out and enables SISU to move on without affecting affecting people in Coventry.
That can't be a good thing just because it actually is a good thing can it?
It's just spin to make CCC council look good!!!!
Have a word with yourself Nick.
Ermm.. I think you are struggling to read things.
Are you saying the quote I posted isnt trying make sisu look bad about the state aid? Nothing to do with Northampton.
There's no guarantee sisu will move on if they win anything.
I'm not spinning anything at all
I'm not saying anything, I'm saying just the state aid. Just that one situation / decision.
It's like saying is the councils fault for maddison being sold...
I'm not saying why would anybody be angry with sisu at all, just why about the state aid / tax payer money if it happened.
SISU are not innocent in all of this. They kept forcing the issue using unethical methods. So now they are after recompense because their unethical methods failed. And they are after compensation off CCC. If they succeed and damages are awarded against CCC where does the money come from?
So yes I will be angry if the people who need services have cuts to pay for faceless Investors who have played a part in all of this.
If SISU win and the Government pay out. Does that potentially present more options to SISU or not?
Yes
If it does without affecting the people of Coventry is that possibly a good thing?
Yes.
It the above just bloody obviously?
Yes
if someone posts it because they have just realised that is the now the possible case after the judges threw it in there. Are they posting it because they are surprised by it and it changes their opinion on what they might what as a possible outcome
yes
Are you spinning their post to suggest they are saying that to purely make the council look good
Yes.
So yes Nick you were ironically spinning my original post which was about the above. To suggest I was saying it to make the council look good out of this.
When it fact it was just as above
I said it would be spun to make sisu look bad.... Which it was wasn't it?
It wasn't a post I quoted it was a newsletter.
There is no proof anywhere that if sisu get anything they will go.
SISU are not innocent in all of this. They kept forcing the issue using unethical methods. So now they are after recompense because their unethical methods failed. And they are after compensation off CCC. If they succeed and damages are awarded against CCC where does the money come from?
So yes I will be angry if the people who need services have cuts to pay for faceless Investors who have played a part in all of this.
sisu are no angels, but a council is supposed to be above that sort of shit and held to higher standards. I want those bastards exposed in the same light as sisu have been. No doubt a majority of people will still be fine with this as Sisu end up screwed, failing to see the bigger picture that it has caused untold damage to the club.... but lets not worry we have wasps in the city now so its all good....:facepalm:
I said it would be spun to make sisu look bad.... Which it was wasn't it?
It wasn't a post I quoted it was a newsletter.
There is no proof anywhere that if sisu get anything they will go.
We were told that they'd most certainly be gone if we got relegated to league 1.
I said it would be spun to make sisu look bad.... Which it was wasn't it?
It wasn't a post I quoted it was a newsletter.
There is no proof anywhere that if sisu get anything they will go.
When I pointed out that this case just sets case law that council's cant use money in this way and that's it really.
Which is something you actually agree with. As you point out it doesn't address each sides behaviour in this sorry affair ( well actually you just said it doesn't address the council's Behaviour). However a reasonable person would want it to address both sides behaviour but it doesn't.
It soley addresses is this state aid or not. It is the first case of its kind. It will set a precedent for case law for this council and future ones in state aid.
You suggested that's just spinning it to make the council look good!!!
That for me shows how ridiculous you are getting.
If it was border line, surely they should have got help and advice before doing it?
There is difference between trying to make them look good, and trying not to make them look bad.
So what's that got to do with the trust's email? Interesting diversion back to you.
The argument put forward if the council fail is stupid. They have procedures to follow and if they don't then they are to blame.
Why anyone believes sisu will actually win anything is beyond me. It's pretty clear the judgement at best (or worst) will be they used the aid improperly but only due to the actions if their main customer who directly influenced their actions by non payment of rent.
Its not going to be any more than that. There is no case to obtain damages as little seems to have changed in the argument from day one.
The council have been shown to be prepared to deceive the electorate at every turn but hey I'm sure the usual excuses will be trolled out for them.
That wouldn't be the case as they made the decisions that led us to division three.
It's absurd that you claim to blame both sides yet would be angry with sisu if they were awarded compensation. Surely you should be angry that those who were elected by the members of the public have done wrong?
So it's absurd that I would be angry with SISU and CCC if money ends up being taken away from the people who need it and given to faceless investors?
I would be angry with SISU and CCC for the way that they have conducted matters. Just like I am now but even more so. But whatever decision that the judges make both sides are still guilty of the way things have been done. The technicality of state aid or not will not make either side innocent.
Or are you just playing at being a WUM? If so I will be delighted for SISU if they somehow get awarded money that ends up being taken away from the people who need it.
So it's absurd that I would be angry with SISU and CCC if money ends up being taken away from the people who need it and given to faceless investors?
I would be angry with SISU and CCC for the way that they have conducted matters. Just like I am now but even more so. But whatever decision that the judges make both sides are still guilty of the way things have been done. The technicality of state aid or not will not make either side innocent.
Or are you just playing at being a WUM? If so I will be delighted for SISU if they somehow get awarded money that ends up being taken away from the people who need it.
So a elected council is now held up and compared to a hedge fund? Do you not believe the council should be held to higher standards than that?
Would you be angry with the council if sisu ended up having to pay compensation?
They are by the local media...Hedge funds should be more accountable & held to higher standards, don't you agree?
They are by the local media...
Hedge funds should be more accountable & held to higher standards, don't you agree?
But they will never be held as accountable as a council or government.Obviously I meant by law you fool.
Really? When have they done an article on hedge funds?They are by the local media...
I don't think anybody is saying to be delighted for SISU, but that is solely down to CCC for their decision for the loan isn't it? Of course people will be angry at SISU for the situation as a whole, but to get outraged at SISU if the council are found to be in the wrong is a bit strange. Even the most hardcore "CCC Haters" don't get worked up at CCC when our ticket system is crap, we sell a player or something like that do they?
Then there is the question of if it will actually come from people who need it directly even if they do get millions.
There is also a difference between how a council and a dodgy hedge fund should act isn't there? Nobody is excusing SISU for being shady, but then they aren't answerable to tax payers and playing with their money are they?
They had supporters direct working with their pr company, think that's quite telling.Lucas and co will be rubbing their hands with glee when reading some of the apologist tripe on here.
Next time they close a care home or a library they can blame either Cameron or now Seppalla - not their own bungling.
Their desire to play at management companies led them to take a risk with taxpayers money to stop their sworn enemy seizing control of an asset that clearly has no value at all to said taxpayer.
But hey "both parties are to blame"
But they will never be held as accountable as a council or government.
The laws would need to be stricter for private companies full stop. Then of course it depends how much scrutiny and of what. Unless it broke laws then nothing would happen would it?
For things like tax which I assume hedge funds play like Google etc I agree. Tighten it right up and scrutinize it.
That's what I mean, they can be scrutinised on that and that should be clamped down onOf course hedge funds play, why do you think they bank in the Caymen Islands!
Totally agree, watched that documentary about the local businesses and tax etc. Might make another thread about that thoughI think if you set up a business in the UK. you pay tax to the UK Government. Google, Starbucks etc somehow get away with it. Before anyone says Google pay tax, do you really think £130m is fair when they have made Billions of pounds?
Hedge funds should be more accountable & held to higher standards, don't you agree?
So a elected council is now held up and compared to a hedge fund? Do you not believe the council should be held to higher standards than that?
Would you be angry with the council if sisu ended up having to pay compensation?
They are by the local media...
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