Brylowes
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Hmm, it's A and B not 1 and 2 , tut tut .
Hmm, it's A and B not 1 and 2 , tut tut .Not strictly true...Hedgefund 2 went on to bigger & better things & better deals. Hedgefund 1 went to Sickfields and back again, succeeding only in pissing off an awful lot of people along the way.
...onwards & upwards PUSB
Definitely there are probably more Man UTD fans in Coventry than Coventry fans.Do you think if Manchester United or Chelsea moved to coventry they would attract any support from the local community?
As for ex saints fans they are as passionate as football fans so that my friend is a lie.
You accused my post as Being full of shit Hence the apt reply I know two personally and both go with their mates.
One from work who is from the Black Country and one socially from round here.
Both used to go to Saints with 5-6 mates now they go to Wasps as it is easier.
They class themselves as Saints fans and will support Saints when they play Wasps at the Ricoh.
They go to the Ricoh to watch good rugby. Non of them have any connection to Northampton.
Yet you accuse new of being full of shit.
I have no reason to lie I couldn't give a toss about it.
I do not get it coming from a foitball background.
I don't judge them it's their business.
I have no reason to bull shit about it it is a fact.
If you don't believe me then yes you can meet either of them.
Don't give it the pompous prick shit. When you started it saying my post was full of shit completely unnecessarily.
Grendel is a WUM so I don't take too much offence to his rubbish. I just call him out to expose it.
Yours was out of line. Hence my reply
Exactly, there was always a deal to be done for SISU, the idea there wasn't is proposterous.But isn't it possibly not so much respect for what Wasps have achieved, but more total disappointment for the lack of good management from Sisu? You would expect all big businesses to be professional and driven wouldn't you?
Hell of a lot of damage had been done by that point.Hell will freeze over....
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Yes by both sidesHell of a lot of damage had been done by that point.
there was always a deal to be done for SISU, the idea there wasn't is proposterous.
But what plausible reason could there be for them not to sell to SISU, but be willing to sellYou might believe a deal could be done but I think its a bit much to suggest an alternative view is preposterous. There are things that indicate CCC would not sell to CCFC.
Look back to when SISU came in, the council dismissed any other interested party that required ownership. SISU were their preferred bidder purely because they did not want ownership at the time.
And of course the 'hell freezing over' comments and other inflammatory comments by Mutton and later Lucas.
The £24m Gidney proposed to SISU to purchase just matchday revenue streams.
There's more but you get the idea. There's certainly enough to suggest that CCC didn't want to sell to not just SISU but CCFC.
Spite apparentlyBut what plausible reason could there be for them not to sell to SISU, but be willing to sell
to someone else, other than the way SISU conducted themselves putting them off.
But what plausible reason could there be for them not to sell to SISU, but be willing to sell
to someone else, other than the way SISU conducted themselves putting them off.
I beleive the wasps were looking at setting up in Derby or Nottingham to try and get a bigger fan base but sparse of rugby teams, any futher North and it is RL territory.For some reason they appear to have a long held reluctance for CCFC, under any ownership, to take control of the Ricoh.
It would seem that the course of action SISU took did exactly what they hoped it would do in that it pushed CCC to a point where they had to sell. Of course despite CCC repeatedly stating how little of ACL's income came from CCFC, how well ACL was performing with the club there etc.
Wasps came along at the right time for CCC. Obviously we don't know if CCC sought them out or Wasps made the approach. Although we do know the current owner of Wasps spoke with CRFC about moving Wasps to the city before he'd even purchased the club. Wasps interest allowed CCC to get rid of a problem without having to concede to SISU. From their point of view a win win.
In no way was this about a return for the taxpayer or the charity getting their money back. If that was a concern a proper sales process, with external agents coming in to carry out the marketing, would have been conducted.
Suspect that will be the subject of JR2 with CCC arguing they sold shares in a business and SISU arguing they effectively sold the freehold when you consider the lease extension.
All while telling fans they were looking to move back to London......I beleive the wasps were looking at setting up in Derby or Nottingham to try and get a bigger fan base but sparse of rugby teams, any futher North and it is RL territory.
On the way back they stopped off at the Ricoh unaware it was empty.........
The rest is history as they say.
I beleive the wasps were looking at setting up in Derby or Nottingham to try and get a bigger fan base but sparse of rugby teams, any futher North and it is RL territory.
On the way back they stopped off at the Ricoh unaware it was empty.........
The rest is history as they say.
Really? So they weren't enquiring before we moved and didn't have the internet to see that it was empty?
They were probably driving down the M6, saw the Ricoh and through lets pop in and see if its for sale.
Really? So they weren't enquiring before we moved and didn't have the internet to see that it was empty?
What's the source for that?
Its obvious isn't it, when we were paying our 1 million rent like good tenants then CCC had no intention of selling to anyone be it ccfc, wasps, sisu or anybody else. They were happy to go on using the club as their cash cow, when we stopped paying our rent and moved off to Northampton then ACL were in trouble. The Arena was being run into the ground and CCC became desperate to get rid of it, the last person they wanted to sell it to was SISU though because of the bad blood so they basically gave it away to the first interested party other than SISU with no questions asked.For some reason they appear to have a long held reluctance for CCFC, under any ownership, to take control of the Ricoh.
It would seem that the course of action SISU took did exactly what they hoped it would do in that it pushed CCC to a point where they had to sell. Of course despite CCC repeatedly stating how little of ACL's income came from CCFC, how well ACL was performing with the club there etc.
Wasps came along at the right time for CCC. Obviously we don't know if CCC sought them out or Wasps made the approach. Although we do know the current owner of Wasps spoke with CRFC about moving Wasps to the city before he'd even purchased the club. Wasps interest allowed CCC to get rid of a problem without having to concede to SISU. From their point of view a win win.
In no way was this about a return for the taxpayer or the charity getting their money back. If that was a concern a proper sales process, with external agents coming in to carry out the marketing, would have been conducted.
Suspect that will be the subject of JR2 with CCC arguing they sold shares in a business and SISU arguing they effectively sold the freehold when you consider the lease extension.
Its obvious isn't it, when we were paying our 1 million rent like good tenants then CCC had no intention of selling to anyone be it ccfc, wasps, sisu or anybody else. They were happy to go on using the club as their cash cow, when we stopped paying our rent and moved off to Northampton then ACL were in trouble. The Arena was being run into the ground and CCC became desperate to get rid of it, the last person they wanted to sell it to was SISU though because of the bad blood so they basically gave it away to the first interested party other than SISU with no questions asked.
Wasn't that going to go up after a couple of years?That's a bit dramatic, you are forgetting that they did offer to reduce the rent down to £400k but the hedge fund scum removed CCFC instead and in spite, the rest is history !
That's a bit dramatic, you are forgetting that they did offer to reduce the rent down to £400k but the hedge fund scum removed CCFC instead and in spite, the rest is history !
I brought the wife and kids into Cov last weekend. We spent a fortune in the shops, had a load of drinks in the Aardvark, dinner at Aqua and saw the '80's Mania' show at the Belgrade. So we could both have a good glug and not drive we stayed at the Earlsdon Premier Inn. We had a drink in the hotel bar later and there were a fair few Wasps fans with shirts all with London accents staying over after the match............you can't deny it is good for the local economy. We've seen it downtown a few times now with all sorts of accents coming from the rugby fans in the pubs.
Pretty sure it came out in the JR that was for 1 year only before reverting back to £1.3m pa.That's a bit dramatic, you are forgetting that they did offer to reduce the rent down to £400k but the hedge fund scum removed CCFC instead and in spite, the rest is history !
Can only pass on what I have heard although it was common knowledge that they looked around the East Midlands with no luck.
As for the source I couldn't pass that on.
I told you not to tell anyone! :facepalm:
Wasn't there evidence in court which the council lawyer pretty much agreed with?Can only pass on what I have heard although it was common knowledge that they looked around the East Midlands with no luck.
As for the source I couldn't pass that on.
That deal would have had us paying £1.3 million against next season.
You have your facts, I have mine. Lets agree to disagree.
I still cant believe your mates see themselves as Saints fans if they follow another team. I am sorry I just cant see the logic. If I went to WBA games and said I was a city fan, I would expect people to think the same. That is a response to them and not what you have written.
I suspect you took my response more vociferously as I had quoted and agreed with Grendel. I was expressing my feelings, perhaps I should have written it differently.
Fair comment we can agree to disagree. It makes no sense to me either.
I work with loads of people from different areas throughout the Midlands.
For example some I know who live in Hinkley were Leicester fans they now consider themselves Wasps fans. Apparently the Leicester ground is nightmare for access and parking( again I have no idea)
The Saints ones definitely still consider themselves saints fans. Again all seems very very bizzare ato me.
I get lots of people at work asking me about the Ricoh because they know I am a Cov fan and attend there a lot. That is why I know about these scenarios as they come to me asking about where to park getting a beer afterwards, the casino ect ect..,
Most of them just supported their Country and went to the local rugger club for the social aspect. They had no club near by and now have started attending Wasps after enjoying the whole day experience first time round.
The ones who have come and spoke to me certainly don't seem to have the tribal loyalty we have in football. They just seem intent on watching good rugby wherever it is.
That deal would have had us paying £1.3 million against next season.
Pretty sure it came out in the JR that was for 1 year only before reverting back to £1.3m pa.
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£400k for three years, and then to be renegotiated, according to the judge in the JR.
JUSTICE HICKINBOTTOM: The suggestion here was
7 a three-year -- not quite holiday, but a three-year
8 reduction in the rent to £400,000, because it didn't
9 reduce the contractual requirement of £1.3 million
10 thereafter.
11 MR THOMPSON: Well, my Lord, the penultimate bulletsays:
12 "An annual rent of £400,000 divided into 12 equal
13 amounts and paid monthly in advance on the first dayof
14 each month. The rent will be subject to RPI, league
15 promotion and match day attendance triggers, the
16 structures of which to be agreed."
17 MR JUSTICE HICKINBOTTOM: The bottom bullet point on
18 page 1075?
19 MR THOMPSON: Yes. So it's subject to review.
20 MR JUSTICE HICKINBOTTOM: No, no. What it says is:
21 "Any rent agreement will be supplementary to the
22 original and will commence on 1 January 2013, with
23 a duration of three years, to be reviewed thereafterby
24 the parties. For the avoidance of doubt, the original
25 agreement will remain in place."
1 MR THOMPSON: Yes.
2 MR JUSTICE HICKINBOTTOM: That's clear.
3 MR THOMPSON: Well, it's sort of clear, except it's not
4 entirely clear what would happen after three years.
5 MR JUSTICE HICKINBOTTOM: The original agreement willremain
6 in place, obviously, subject to renegotiation, again.
So the original agreement is in place in 2016 then
If they had agreed the deal, I would imagine so, and now they would be renegotiating it. Sounds a much better idea compared to what has actually happened.
But what plausible reason could there be for them not to sell to SISU, but be willing to sell
to someone else, other than the way SISU conducted themselves putting them off.
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