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MichaelCCFC · Sep 21, 2014

kcic mailout 21.9.14

With us back at the Ricoh, acl-sisu should be saying

'The Ricoh is the home of CCFC and there will be no more talk of a new stadium or a new anchor tenant. acl-sisu will work together to build a successful CCFC which will benefit all parties'.

But instead...

sisu are saying they will still build a new stadium
acl are said to be talking to London Wasps about Wasps buying a controlling stake in the Ricoh and making it their permanent home

kcic's concern is the interests of the team and fans, not acl-sisu's games

Fans do not want a new stadium - the Ricoh's our home
A new anchor tenant with a controlling stake in the Ricoh would cause harm not help the Sky Blues

So the message for acl-sisu is

sisu: confirm CCFC's future is at the Ricoh and that you will not build a new ground
acl: tell Wasps they are welcome to play occasional games at the Ricoh but the Ricoh is the home of CCFC and we don't need a new anchor tenant
And to both acl and sisu: sixfields proved fans do have power so start showing supporters some respect and stop playing games with our club!

Keep the Faith

bradwellskyblues · Sep 21, 2014

100% agree despite all the talk neither side has come out and given a definite course that they are going to follow. when they do they also need to back it up with actions not the usual rhetoric

Rusty Trombone · Sep 21, 2014

If SISU agreed to a long term rental agreement then ACL wouldn't need to look for someone else to come in, and the club would be financially better off as it wouldn't need to fund a new stadium.

A long term rental agreement is what needs to be encouraged.

RFC · Sep 21, 2014

The rental model has never ever worked (particularly now under FIFA's FFP Rules) and never will.

Sorry but if it's not the club or their owners buying & owning the Ricoh, then it has to be a new stadium!

Otis · Sep 21, 2014

MichaelCCFC said:
kcic mailout 21.9.14

With us back at the Ricoh, acl-sisu should be saying

'The Ricoh is the home of CCFC and there will be no more talk of a new stadium or a new anchor tenant. acl-sisu will work together to build a successful CCFC which will benefit all parties'.

But instead...

sisu are saying they will still build a new stadium

acl are said to be talking to London Wasps about Wasps buying a controlling stake in the Ricoh and making it their permanent home

kcic's concern is the interests of the team and fans, not acl-sisu's games

Fans do not want a new stadium - the Ricoh's our home

A new anchor tenant with a controlling stake in the Ricoh would cause harm not help the Sky Blues

So the message for acl-sisu is

sisu: confirm CCFC's future is at the Ricoh and that you will not build a new ground

acl: tell Wasps they are welcome to play occasional games at the Ricoh but the Ricoh is the home of CCFC and we don't need a new anchor tenant

And to both acl and sisu: sixfields proved fans do have power so start showing supporters some respect and stop playing games with our club!

Keep the Faith

Would just change one thing, Michael.

A new anchor tenant with a controlling stake in the Ricoh would cause harm not help the Sky Blues

A new anchor tenant with a controlling stake in the Ricoh COULD cause harm not help the Sky Blues

Nick · Sep 21, 2014

Nothing about clubs being upped and moved?

Terry Gibson's perm · Sep 21, 2014

If there was a way for the club to buy it and it must always remain the clubs then I would be ok with that but it will be owned by Sisu and then rented to the club and they cannot be trusted. Sisu can keep going on about their new stadium they should look at Nene Park, if they build their lego arena how do they think that will help bring money in every day as they will be competing in the same market as the Ricoh for conferences etc.

Rusty Trombone · Sep 21, 2014

RFC said:
The rental model has never ever worked (particularly now under FIFA's FFP Rules) and never will.

Sorry but if it's not the club or their owners buying & owning the Ricoh, then it has to be a new stadium!

Utter tosh.

The rental model can work perfectly well, it just needs the contract to be agreed for the benefit of all concerned, and this can include access to other revenue.

Please explain why you think it can't work, and also how we could afford to pay for a new stadium when we can't afford to buy any players.

chiefdave · Sep 21, 2014

RFC said:
The rental model has never ever worked (particularly now under FIFA's FFP Rules) and never will.

Sorry but if it's not the club or their owners buying & owning the Ricoh, then it has to be a new stadium!

So if the club were offered a 100 year lease with a peppercorn rent and all revenues that wouldn't work?

RFC · Sep 21, 2014

Terry Gibson's perm said:
If there was a way for the club to buy it and it must always remain the clubs then I would be ok with that but it will be owned by Sisu and then rented to the club and they cannot be trusted. Sisu can keep going on about their new stadium they should look at Nene Park, if they build their lego arena how do they think that will help bring money in every day as they will be competing in the same market as the Ricoh for conferences etc.

I find your comments strange and confusing! You say you don't trust SISU which is fair enough but how can you trust Coventry City Council?

Their track record is just as bad (if not worse), ruined the City Centre through lack of investment, closed Livingstone Road Swimming Baths and are now closing the only gem they have left, the Olympic Size Pool in Fairfax Street.

Do they really want CCFC at the Ricoh, personally I don't think so!

Unless of course they can choose who owns the football club

If we remain at the Ricoh CCFC will always be second or third class citizens, in fact maybe even further down the list of CCC's & ACL's priority list!!!!!!!!!!

RFC · Sep 21, 2014

chiefdave said:
So if the club were offered a 100 year lease with a peppercorn rent and all revenues that wouldn't work?

What on earth makes you think they'd be offered that kind of deal?

Otis · Sep 21, 2014

RFC said:
What on earth makes you think they'd be offered that kind of deal?

Think he's just making a point.

Rusty Trombone · Sep 21, 2014

RFC said:
I find your comments strange and confusing! You say you don't trust SISU which is fair enough but how can you trust Coventry City Council?

Their track record is just as bad (if not worse), ruined the City Centre through lack of investment, closed Livingstone Road Swimming Baths and are now closing the only gem they have left, the Olympic Size Pool in Fairfax Street.

Do they really want CCFC at the Ricoh, personally I don't think so!

Unless of course they can choose who owns the football club

If we remain at the Ricoh CCFC will always be second or third class citizens, in fact maybe even further down the list of CCC's & ACL's priority list!!!!!!!!!!

You seem very interested in the swimming facilities for the city, have you visited the new pool at the AT7 centre, that must have cost a fair bit, what about the pool at the xcel centre that's still pretty new?

Deleted member 5849 · Sep 21, 2014

RFC said:
What on earth makes you think they'd be offered that kind of deal?

I think the point being made is that although there are concerns on the relationship between ground and club, there's no need to buy into the SISU rhetoric quite so readily...

RFC · Sep 21, 2014

Rusty Trombone said:
Utter tosh.

The rental model can work perfectly well, it just needs the contract to be agreed for the benefit of all concerned, and this can include access to other revenue.

Please explain why you think it can't work, and also how we could afford to pay for a new stadium when we can't afford to buy any players.

Whilst you may consider it tosh the vast majority of those involved in football who have actually run football clubs disagree.

Tell me how many lower League clubs are actually buying players? As for a potential new stadium, what makes you think these owners can't afford it?

Believe me they can!

Deleted member 5849 · Sep 21, 2014

RFC said:
Whilst you may consider it tosh the vast majority of those involved in football who have actually run football clubs disagree.

Tell me how many lower League clubs are actually buying players? As for a potential new stadium, what makes you think these owners can't afford it?

Believe me they can!

OK, I'll play.

I have nothing against a new stadium on sporting grounds, but can you tell me how, even if our owners can afford a new ground, they expect this to make a return for them and thus be worth their while building it?

Rusty Trombone · Sep 21, 2014

RFC said:
Whilst you may consider it tosh the vast majority of those involved in football who have actually run football clubs disagree.

Tell me how many lower League clubs are actually buying players? As for a potential new stadium, what makes you think these owners can't afford it?

Believe me they can!

Who disagrees? I know it was written in our programme that the entire football world disagrees, but I haven't seen the quotes.

I was asking you how the club could afford it, you're the one that thinks it's a good idea. The owners may be able to afford it (I doubt they would waste even more money though), but they wouldn't be gifting it to the club, do you think the rent will be lower than we are paying now?

Terry Gibson's perm · Sep 21, 2014

RFC said:
I find your comments strange and confusing! You say you don't trust SISU which is fair enough but how can you trust Coventry City Council?

Their track record is just as bad (if not worse), ruined the City Centre through lack of investment, closed Livingstone Road Swimming Baths and are now closing the only gem they have left, the Olympic Size Pool in Fairfax Street.

Do they really want CCFC at the Ricoh, personally I don't think so!

Unless of course they can choose who owns the football club

If we remain at the Ricoh CCFC will always be second or third class citizens, in fact maybe even further down the list of CCC's & ACL's priority list!!!!!!!!!!

I think they do want CCFC at the Ricoh I agree that they want a change of owners but so do most of the fans, I don't like the idea of Wasps being here but they have used one word that seems a bit alien to Sisu and that is "buy" part of ACL not take them to court to try to steal it from the same council who cannot invest in things due to central government cuts.

Jack Griffin · Sep 21, 2014

RFC said:
What on earth makes you think they'd be offered that kind of deal?

What on earth makes you think SISU will offer the club a non rental deal at a new ground.. oh wait a minute, they'll load an extra £30M debt on the club to build it and expect them to pay it back at £2M p.a., wonderful! But at least they'll be no rent.

chiefdave · Sep 21, 2014

RFC said:
What on earth makes you think they'd be offered that kind of deal?

I didn't say they would but you stated "The rental model has never ever worked (particularly now under FIFA's FFP Rules) and never will." I'm pretty sure the right rental model could work and is quite possibly the more achievable option so we shouldn't buy into the Fisher line of reasoning about ownership being a requirement of a successful club.

Terry Gibson's perm · Sep 21, 2014

chiefdave said:
I didn't say they would but you stated "The rental model has never ever worked (particularly now under FIFA's FFP Rules) and never will." I'm pretty sure the right rental model could work and is quite possibly the more achievable option so we shouldn't buy into the Fisher line of reasoning about ownership being a requirement of a successful club.

If Fisher has stated in then the opposite should apply he has already shown that he knows nothing about running a successful club.

Kingokings204 · Sep 21, 2014

No doubts the club can work at a sensible affordable rent. A rental model is no problem but obviously why not just but out ACL?

The simple question to ask is what is the price of ACL and what is the price of a new stadium?

RFC · Sep 21, 2014

Deleted member 5849 said:
I think the point being made is that although there are concerns on the relationship between ground and club, there's no need to buy into the SISU rhetoric quite so readily...

I'm not buying into any of it, just stating what I believe and what I'm told by senior figures who work in the game!

Otis · Sep 21, 2014

RFC said:
I'm not buying into any of it, just stating what I believe and what I'm told by senior figures who work in the game!

I'm surprised you're not in Austrailia by now, RFC, what with all the digging a hole for yourself you've been doing since God knows when.

RFC · Sep 21, 2014

Deleted member 5849 said:
OK, I'll play.

I have nothing against a new stadium on sporting grounds, but can you tell me how, even if our owners can afford a new ground, they expect this to make a return for them and thus be worth their while building it?

I'm not the business owner and haven't seen their long term business plan, however like many others have talked to JS as recently as last week.

Also aware of meetings by a senior official at the club with surveyors, highways & transport department & environment etc. etc..

Let's just wait and see how things develop.

Otis · Sep 21, 2014

RFC said:
I'm not the business owner and haven't seen their long term business plan, however like many others have talked to JS as recently as last week.

Also aware of meetings by a senior official at the club with surveyors, highways & transport department & environment etc. etc..

Let's just wait and see how things develop.

These must be the longest meetings ever in the history of all mankind.

Deleted member 5849 · Sep 21, 2014

RFC said:
I'm not the business owner and haven't seen their long term business plan, however like many others have talked to JS as recently as last week.

Also aware of meetings by a senior official at the club with surveyors, highways & transport department & environment etc. etc..

Let's just wait and see how things develop.

That doesn't really answer my question though.

Don't you find it surprising that if many have spoken to JS, we have still not had explained to us how this new ground makes sense from the POV of our owners? Would you agree it's a little odd that they neglect to say the very things that can win people over to their perspective?

RFC · Sep 21, 2014

Terry Gibson's perm said:
If Fisher has stated in then the opposite should apply he has already shown that he knows nothing about running a successful club.

Jack Griffin said:
What on earth makes you think SISU will offer the club a non rental deal at a new ground.. oh wait a minute, they'll load an extra £30M debt on the club to build it and expect them to pay it back at £2M p.a., wonderful! But at least they'll be no rent.

Do not try and put words in my mouth and make ridiculous statements that I've never mentioned or suggested.

Ian1779 · Sep 21, 2014

Kingokings204 said:
No doubts the club can work at a sensible affordable rent. A rental model is no problem but obviously why not just but out ACL?

The simple question to ask is what is the price of ACL and what is the price of a new stadium?

This is the only deal that should be considered. Buy them out completely. This is where the club have to pay a fair price, and the council have to play ball.

Jack Griffin · Sep 21, 2014

RFC said:
Do not try and put words in my mouth and make ridiculous statements that I've never mentioned or suggested.

Oh so you agree CCFC would pay rent under SISU.

wingy · Sep 21, 2014

RFC said:
I'm not the business owner and haven't seen their long term business plan, however like many others have talked to JS as recently as last week.

Also aware of meetings by a senior official at the club with surveyors, highways & transport department & environment etc. etc..

Let's just wait and see how things develop.

Yes ,racking up significant fees In the process.

The club picking up the tab no doubt ,word has it Joys not pleased with the lad on the naughty step,seems he's got to find £400k wasted on this Folly up to now.

Otis · Sep 21, 2014

Jack Griffin said:
Oh so you agree CCFC would pay rent under SISU.

They've pretty much said as such as I recall. CCFC would pay rent at the new stadium.

Kingokings204 · Sep 21, 2014

Ian1779 said:
This is the only deal that should be considered. Buy them out completely. This is where the club have to pay a fair price, and the council have to play ball.

Very true Ian1779. What would be the price of ACL? Anywhere between 10-15 we are told.

Now let's say 13 for ACL or the cost of a new stadium that's half the size and not in Coventry around 25m? Surely the stadium that is in coventry with a 32k capacity and has other uses and already built and is half the price. Bloody simple.

Deleted member 5849 · Sep 21, 2014

I don't know what the price of a stadium management company would be.

I doubt any of us do, tbh.

So not quite sure how making an offer and discussion of what's 'fair' is helpful. After all, what's 'fair' is what encourages the seller to sell.

Kingokings204 · Sep 21, 2014

Deleted member 5849 said:
I don't know what the price of a stadium management company would be.

I doubt any of us do, tbh.

So not quite sure how making an offer and discussion of what's 'fair' is helpful. After all, what's 'fair' is what encourages the seller to sell.

We were told in June the company is worth more than 10 but probably less than 15m I think it was. It is at least a starting point.

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