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Nonleagueherewecome

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I'd actually like all that to be true and just wanted some proof that it was. ;) They may not have set the lawyers loose yet but that doesn't mean they don't, their love of the courts is well known.


"Proof" is quite a hard thing to find, even in some court cases. Unless we have a genuine Otium mole rather than just people who are accused of it! But "evidence" that they're fooked, well we have plenty of that.
 

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"Proof" is quite a hard thing to find, even in some court cases. Unless we have a genuine Otium mole rather than just people who are accused of it! But "evidence" that they're fooked, well we have plenty of that.

Quite frankly, anybody from any side who so much as thinks of suing a bunch of angry men posting on a message board is a screw short of a picnic (or other mixed metaphors) anyway.

What would it gain you, other than the impression of being a belligerent arse?
 

valiant15

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I'm sure my £9 over 3 years of boycotting a SISU owned club will serve them well...

In fact, I reckon if we're doing the moralistic dick waving, me boycotting them over King, not going to Northampton apart from a recce to say how shit it was, and not giving a franchise club some cash makes me positively erect compared to your flaccid selective morals ;)

But you've been, I haven't.

When all this is finished me and thousands of others can look back and think thank god i never caved in and gave money to the bastards who Stole our club away.

Solidarity.
 
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But you've been, I haven't.

When all this is finished me and thousands of others can look back and think thank god i never caved in and gave money to the bastards who Stole our club away.

Solidarity.

And how is it caving in to go and report back that it's not worth going...? Think about it now, think ve-ry carefully about that message...

Unlike you, it seems, I don't think literally in terms of pounds, shillings, and pence, I think about what message is conveyed.

And as I started a boycott first, I'm obviousl;y a better person than you. If only you hadn;t crossed my picket line back in the day we might not even be having this tete a tete...
 

Nonleagueherewecome

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But you've been, I haven't.

When all this is finished me and thousands of others can look back and think thank god i never caved in and gave money to the bastards who Stole our club away.

Solidarity.

He didn't exactly give it a glowing review-and left at half-time if I remember correctly? Fair enough!
 
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He didn't exactly give it a glowing review-and left at half-time if I remember correctly? Fair enough!

Correct to the first part, leaving at half-time was when I stood on the hill.

All things to all men, me... actually finding things out for the greater good, so I can suggest ways forward that might get us more attention than a spot of bickering with Les Reid over twitter ;)
 

Nonleagueherewecome

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And how is it caving in to go and report back that it's not worth going...? Think about it now, think ve-ry carefully about that message...

Unlike you, it seems, I don't think literally in terms of pounds, shillings, and pence, I think about what message is conveyed.

And as I started a boycott first, I'm obviousl;y a better person than you. If only you hadn;t crossed my picket line back in the day we might not even be having this tete a tete...


I'd say not going isn't the same as a boycott, but you'd use that argument against me as evidence that not all non-Sixfields attendees are boycotting. Which of course they aren't-just most of them.

Was your boycott an anti-SISU one? I tried to start one of those at the end of the relegation season but my bastard mate went and renewed our ST's any way!
 

valiant15

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And how is it caving in to go and report back that it's not worth going...? Think about it now, think ve-ry carefully about that message...

Unlike you, it seems, I don't think literally in terms of pounds, shillings, and pence, I think about what message is conveyed.

And as I started a boycott first, I'm obviousl;y a better person than you. If only you hadn;t crossed my picket line back in the day we might not even be having this tete a tete...

You can dress it up how you want. You still went.

Anyway im not going to get into an argument about it.
 

Nonleagueherewecome

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Correct to the first part, leaving at half-time was when I stood on the hill.

actually finding things out for the greater good

Just watch Hot Fuzz, it's full of them ;)
 

skybluefred

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The word "are" in the original post needed to be followed by the word "probably" as otherwise it appears to be stating a fact not an opinion. I agree that they are likely to be suffering from a lower income at Sixfields but we don't know for a fact that they are running short of cash. No one has provided any proof one way or the other about the state of the finances of our owners. I'm not defending Sisu and think that they are the worst owners we've ever had and deserve the disgust they get from us.

The main point surely is that they are losing money hand over fist (and lots of it) Just hope that continues until they throw in the towel and clear off and leave us in peace.
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I'd say not going isn't the same as a boycott, but you'd use that argument against me as evidence that not all non-Sixfields attendees are boycotting. Which of course they aren't-just most of them.

Was your boycott an anti-SISU one? I tried to start one of those at the end of the relegation season but my bastard mate went and renewed our ST's any way!

Well, that's an interesting question. (not that interesting tbh, but bear with me ;) )

Never been a fan of anybody owning football clubs to make money for themselves, as it exploits a captive audience... so it became harder to justify giving them my cash anyway when they came in. Some of Ranson's statements were rather concerning (debt free!) and the focus on players rather than foundations... well, we see the result of that today.

Then I'm afraid the club's whole attitude re: King got right up my nose, the manager being humbled in his presence etc. along with the taunting of Saint Ann Lucas, and the bizarre mysoginistic comments against her too. King, let's be honest, fit the remit of the club compromising its own identity morals and ethics for a quick financial fix. It wasn't against him (everyone has the right to a 15th chance) but rather the way the club dealt with it, and further evidence of it doing what it wanted, regardless of the impact on its fanbase. It may be a person, but it follows up its bullying attitude towards the small shareholders etc. That's not a never say never (they do, possibly after all, have more of a long term plan now than they've had before - but alas their inept communication is still there, so we don;t know and with no movement ona new ground or Ricoh revival, why should I give them the benefit of the doubt yet?) but having had years of McGinnity, Robinson, SISU... all want to run the club not for mty benefit as a fan, as a 'community asset' as you were... I find it rather difficult to blindly hand over my cash.

Boycott? Definitely in that it's a conscious decision not to go. Again, now, it would actually be quicker and easier for me, by myself to get to Northampton, but as I reported back ;) it just feels wrong... As it happens, an economic slowdown sees me having to work Saturdays too, so many Sunday games is helpful to me also, it's not about that.

So, I figured, they don't care if they want my money, why should I care to give it them? (sound familiar, this bit?). Everybody's positions are at different tipping points. I can buy, for example, king walker's comment about wanting to take his son to watch the City, and him finding MK less bad than Northampton - that seems a perfectly reasonable position to take. I can buy Mr. Dazzle saying it's another lifetime away, and at some point you have to move on...

I do however think that sometimes the actions have to be thought about. me not going to the Ricoh because we were owned by SISU doesn;t send out a message, but it made me feel better, cheered me up, made me remember I could have some spare cash(!) and also enjoy my Saturdays doing other things.

Now as it stands, we haven't moved permanently. As it stands, the messages need to be sent out that we don't want to move permanently, and that moving permanently is a bad thing. The mere finances of popping to northampton makes no difference, they make a loss regardless. The demonstration of away fans holding up does show less than apathy however - it's the one thing that we have shown consisrtently that doesn't look like a 'don't care what happens'.

However... we don't want to move permanently.

Wimbledon in the end pragmatically had to give up because there was an inevitability, and a lack of support from other clubs and other clubs' fans that shouldn;t have been there. Thinking back, i went to Selhurst Park when Wimbledon were boycotting, and hindsight makes me deeply ashamed of not standing shoulder to shoulder (although in my defence I didn;t even realise they were until we got there!). That day made me ashamed not to stand up for them, but also made me aware that a boycott was not sending the message out -see the Catch 22? At the end of the day action shows a message far more than inaction... but I see going blindly to MK as inaction. The day we move permanently and it's confirmed we're not coming back is, incidentally, the day I hope we crash and burn without trace. Even 120 years after the event, seeing my old club successful would not be pleasing to me. Maybe I'm just embittered and angry...

Here, on this game, was an opportunity to show that not only was the latent support out there, but that it encouraged clubs that moved back (Bristol Rovers) and reformed as the fans' possession of their own identity, not a money man's (Wimbledon) as opposed to vindicating and justifying the merits of a permanent move (MK). There was a story tio be made here...

Ultimately, it's as much about showing the message is one of action rather than inaction. In this case there was a not overly imaginative point that could have been laboured, and highlighted many many issues regarding the governance of our game... along with showing the rewards for returning to the place that carries the team name are greater than staying away forever.

Final edit :p but just to forgive the typos and incosistencies, it's hard to bore people to such an extent that you cover all complexities, and as it is this is plenty enough boredom in one post when we can carry on dick waving over who's the better fan ;)
 
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lewys33

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I do see the point of this thread. We are essentially protesting that our club has been moved 35 miles away from home by turning up in 1000's at a game where the team were moved 50 odd miles away from their home. That is why I said I don't feel some form of protest at MK dons is appropiate because it is far too ironic.
 

duffer

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I do see the point of this thread. We are essentially protesting that our club has been moved 35 miles away from home by turning up in 1000's at a game where the team were moved 50 odd miles away from their home. That is why I said I don't feel some form of protest at MK dons is appropiate because it is far too ironic.

Yep, that's my feeling too. Personally speaking, I can't bring myself to go to MK Dons.

What happened to Wimbledon and their fans was simply hideous, and I'll never be able to put money over the counter there. It's also far to close to our current situation for comfort.

I appreciate others differ on this, including many of my friends, but I can't change - we just have to agree to differ.

What it showed then, and what has been proven again now, is that the Football League in particular and the F.A. are organisations that are not fit for purpose.
 

lewys33

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What it showed then, and what has been proven again now, is that the Football League in particular and the F.A. are organisations that are not fit for purpose.

I don't think they get the "credit they deserve" for our current situation.
 
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Yep, that's my feeling too. Personally speaking, I can't bring myself to go to MK Dons.

What happened to Wimbledon and their fans was simply hideous, and I'll never be able to put money over the counter there. It's also far to close to our current situation for comfort.

I appreciate others differ on this, including many of my friends, but I can't change - we just have to agree to differ.


What it showed then, and what has been proven again now, is that the Football League in particular and the F.A. are organisations that are not fit for purpose.

Which applies across the board really, doesn't it.
 
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Earth.

10 characters worth of Earth.

Edit to point out I see some more wilful misquoting out of context:pimp:
 
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DazzleTommyDazzle

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I'm uncomfortable about going to MK, but appease my conscience with the fact that the Wimbledon fans went there in the Cup.

For me, the proximity of the game and the availability of the large number of tickets give us the opportunity to reinforce to SISU/Otium, to the Football League, to potential buyers and to the world at large - that the support is there, that we haven't given up on our club but that we (or at any rate, the vast majority of us) will not travel to Northampton.

The geography is very handy here as it emphasises that it is the principle rather than the distance that's the sticking point.
 
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The geography is very handy here as it emphasises that it is the principle rather than the distance that's the sticking point.

The geography is also handy for pointing out clubs can move further than us, for longer, and thrive.
 

DazzleTommyDazzle

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The geography is also handy for pointing out clubs can move further than us, for longer, and thrive.

I was referring to the relative distances of Northampton and MK from Coventry.

Are MK thriving? An upper mid-table third division team with OKish crowds.

I'd bet that this wasn't where they saw themselves when they moved the club.
 

Nonleagueherewecome

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The geography is also handy for pointing out clubs can move further than us, for longer, and thrive.


Wrong. To think so would be to mistake MK Dons for Wimbledon. Wimbledon didn't "thrive" from having their club stolen, they had to start again in non-league. If we relocate to Northampton for good, CCFC is dead and we start again.
 
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I was referring to the relative distances of Northampton and MK from Coventry.

Just think how much greater distance between Northampton and Bristol there is, and how much more the point could have been hammered home ;)

Could have been national, rather than local coverage.

As for thriving? I'd say the fact over 5,000 people with no connection to the place want to visit certainly shows it's thriving.
 

DazzleTommyDazzle

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Just think how much greater distance between Northampton and Bristol there is, and how much more the point could have been hammered home ;)

Could have been national, rather than local coverage.

As for thriving? I'd say the fact over 5,000 people with no connection to the place want to visit certainly shows it's thriving.

Do you honestly think that there was ever any chance of getting similar (or even significant) numbers to go to Bristol?

The theory may be sound, but it comes to practicality.

Look at the numbers that we've had "on the hill", or (to add balance) protesting outside the council offices.

And if that's your definition of "thriving", I was one of the 8-9k at the Wimbledon game at Selhurst Park - still some way to go to match that..... ;)
 

Nonleagueherewecome

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As for thriving? I'd say the fact over 5,000 people with no connection to the place want to visit certainly shows it's thriving.


You're missing the point entirely: they are not Wimbledon. A "moved club" isn't thriving, they have an entirely new supporter base to Wimbledon and they are a new club.
 
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You're missing the point entirely: they are not Wimbledon. A "moved club" isn't thriving, they have an entirely new supporter base to Wimbledon and they are a new club.

Exactly - it encourages a moved club to not return.

While the moved club that does return (Bristol Rovers, Wimbledon) gets ignored.
 
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Do you honestly think that there was ever any chance of getting similar (or even significant) numbers to go to Bristol?

Not while people are selfish and just want to watch their team ;)

I honestly don't know tbf. Naturally you wouldn't get 5,000, and tbf I should have banged this drum somewhat earlier to see ;) but I reckon as a one-off to avoid would have been a start.

Attendance as much is gained by focussed action and message. Part of the problem with the hill is the message is so confused nobody really knew what the message was supposed to be. The danger with an MK message is it may send out a message to the fans that they want to go watch the side... but it might send out a very different message to other stakeholders. And this is kind of my problem with many messages, they seek to reaffirm what we as fans already know, and while this may have a place (action as opposed to inaction stops people giving up) the opportunioty to spread the message wider is sometimes lost. This, and the first day of the football league season, and Sheff Utd on the TV are the 3 ones that stand out for me as lost opportunities where there was a chance to get more than an aside mention.

The amount going to MK is vastly up on the amount going to Selhurst when I went ;) 1-0, David Thompson scored, diabolical game, Stewards watching 4(?) fans in a stand but refused to turn round to return the ball.
 

Norman Binns

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Not while people are selfish and just want to watch their team ;)

I honestly don't know tbf. Naturally you wouldn't get 5,000, and tbf I should have banged this drum somewhat earlier to see ;) but I reckon as a one-off to avoid would have been a start.

Attendance as much is gained by focussed action and message. Part of the problem with the hill is the message is so confused nobody really knew what the message was supposed to be. The danger with an MK message is it may send out a message to the fans that they want to go watch the side... but it might send out a very different message to other stakeholders. And this is kind of my problem with many messages, they seek to reaffirm what we as fans already know, and while this may have a place (action as opposed to inaction stops people giving up) the opportunioty to spread the message wider is sometimes lost. This, and the first day of the football league season, and Sheff Utd on the TV are the 3 ones that stand out for me as lost opportunities where there was a chance to get more than an aside mention.

The amount going to MK is vastly up on the amount going to Selhurst when I went ;) 1-0, David Thompson scored, diabolical game, Stewards watching 4(?) fans in a stand but refused to turn round to return the ball.

The idea of getting a large crowd of us supporters to travel to Bristol on the day we play at MK is not just fanciful, it’s completely bananas. Spread the message? No-ones going to give a toss.

What happened to Wimbledon is a disgrace, but as others have pointed out, I don’t see it as a club being moved. I see it as a club that has had it’s right to play in the Football League stolen and what we have in MK Dons is a completely different club with a completely new fan base. It’s all been done and dusted 10 years ago and to protest about that now is futile.

I don’t know why you have to analyse things so deeply and with such complexity. What do you mean by the hill message being so confused nobody knew what it was supposed to be? It’s a protest about the club being moved out of Coventry isn’t it? What’s confusing about that?

I went to the game at Selhurst Park when Tommo scored that late winner. It was a cold Tuesday night in October in 2001 so the numbers wouldn’t be great. What’s your point?

You go on your own to Bristol if you want to but I’ll be heading down to MK Dons on the 30th sticking 2 fingers up to Sixfields as my clear message.
 
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I don’t know why you have to analyse things so deeply and with such complexity.

Because it's my job to do that, as objectively as possible, so I may as well extend that to the football club I support?
 

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