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lewys33 · Jan 28, 2014

mark82 said:
I watch the twist n Shout video and think we have great fans. Then I come on here and see people would rather the council were happy than we played in Coventry and it dispels that myth.

What is the need for the council comment?

Everyone needs to get the fuck over it. What is done is done. What point do we prove if we "officially" find out whos fault this is more than a year later? We are still in fucking Northampton.

This is what really bugged me about people rejecting the why/when signs outside the Emirates, or people saying "no I think you are wrong" or "blaming the wrong people" are we that wrapped up in this bullshit saga that we cant all see that the number 1 priority is to get Coventry back to Coventry ASAP?!

mark82 · Jan 28, 2014

valiant15 said:
Its got nothing to do with the council being happy. I don't give a toss about the council,they're a load of freeloading arseholes!! But they can't sell sisu what sisu want.

Sisu need to get on with this new ground asap.

I'd rather they didn't get on with the shitty new ground. I want to be at the Ricoh.

lewys33 · Jan 28, 2014

lordsummerisle said:
Yours.

Can we have a poll on that one?

lordsummerisle · Jan 28, 2014

lewys33 said:
Can we have a poll on that one?

I can't do it, I've retired.

Hobo · Jan 28, 2014

mark82 said:
I'd rather they didn't get on with the shitty new ground. I want to be at the Ricoh.

Either would be a start though wouldn't it? I want to be back at the Ricoh, but either would be a start!

mark82 · Jan 28, 2014

lewys33 said:
What is the need for the council comment?

Everyone needs to get the fuck over it. What is done is done. What point do we prove if we "officially" find out whos fault this is more than a year later? We are still in fucking Northampton.

This is what really bugged me about people rejecting the why/when signs outside the Emirates, or people saying "no I think you are wrong" or "blaming the wrong people" are we that wrapped up in this bullshit saga that we cant all see that the number 1 priority is to get Coventry back to Coventry ASAP?!

I want us to play at the Ricoh as soon as possible and I don't give a shit how. Whether it's rent or some sort of purchase. I'm willing to explore every avenue.

If only Sisu and the council were.

valiant15 · Jan 28, 2014

mark82 said:
I'd rather they didn't get on with the shitty new ground. I want to be at the Ricoh.

So do i.

But unless the council cave in to sisu's demands(which they cant), then that's the only option for sisu, unless they swallow some pride and except that cheap rent deal.

lewys33 · Jan 28, 2014

mark82 said:
i want us to play at the ricoh as soon as possible and i don't give a shit how. Whether it's rent or some sort of purchase. I'm willing to explore every avenue.

If only sisu and the council were.

exactly!

Mary_Mungo_Midge · Jan 28, 2014

edgy said:
Honestly, I can't find a question I need to answer. It's Knowl's suggestion of a protest idea, remember.

I can't count the post number as I'm mobile again now, but circa. post #22. I can't understand what the point is. I asked candidly and honestly if you refer back

Mary_Mungo_Midge · Jan 28, 2014

mark82 said:
I want us to play at the Ricoh as soon as possible and I don't give a shit how. Whether it's rent or some sort of purchase. I'm willing to explore every avenue.

If only Sisu and the council were.

But the council have made rent offers, including to the Football League, haven't they?

Houdi · Jan 28, 2014

mark82 said:
I think they'll do it if they think they have to. If there is no way of getting the Ricoh they can't stay in Northampton for ever. They won't come back on a rental deal.

Well as has been said before, both Bristol clubs with local council support , have been trying since the early 1990's for new stadiums, so good luck with that. Fisher has already admitted that 3 years minimum is now 4, for his fantasy new stadium.

Buster · Jan 28, 2014

lewys33 said:
This thread proves why the idea suggested would not work.

Too many fucking idiots would still rather argue who's fault it is on a forum.

Not idiots. Just ccfc supporters arguing a point on a website ,sometimes over stating their point with bad language . I love it !

edgy · Jan 28, 2014

Buster said:
Not idiots. Just ccfc supporters arguing a point on a website ,sometimes over stating their point with bad language . I love it !

Sling your hook, twatface.

martcov · Jan 28, 2014

The council and the charity should not be running a stadium management company. Both are 'fettered' as they are accountable to the electorate and laws governing the council's actions, and to laws governing the running of a charity. They would both undoubtedly like to get out. I don't think they need pressurising to sell up. The problem is how can they legaly sell ACL at a price that SISU may want to pay and the land/ stadium ( not sure what SISU want in addition to the bowl ) as an 'unfettered' freehold? SISU , or rather, Joy, has said that she doesn't waste time negotiating. So, until that position changes, what can the council do? In effect, we must keep the pressure on SISU to alter their stance on negotiations in order that the council can legaly give them at least part of what they demand ( e.g. a long term lease at favourable conditions or a buy-in of ACL ). I agree that the fans should also pressure the council to see CCFC as an economic factor and as a marketing factor. A successful football club gets the city's name in the headlines - at the moment the situation is the opposite - we get the headlines, but negative ones - and I think SISU, especially ML, should stop digging at the city council every other sentence. Even if they hate the council, they do own a team called ' Coventry City ' and their customers come largely from Coventry or near by. They should not, therefore be surprised at people hating them so long as they continue treating the fans with contempt ( e.g. threatening to sue the Trust ) and comparing the council with North Korea. If it were North Korea, the council would be able to give them a stadium deal without any pesky objections from disident citizens.

blueflint · Jan 28, 2014

edgy said:
Firstly, congrats on the WHY WHEN protest.

Now, see Knowl's idea in post no61 on this thread:

http://www.gmkonline.com/?page=forum&forum_id=6&thread_id=36167&selpage=50#62

sorry your nearly there ccc can't do anything they haven't already tried SISU were offered rent free and 100k per season for three yrs inclusive just exept that SISU and keep negotiating

What are your thoughts on something like that?

mark82 · Jan 28, 2014

Mary_Mungo_Midge said:
But the council have made rent offers, including to the Football League, haven't they?

To everyone but sisu directly it seems.

shmmeee · Jan 28, 2014

martcov said:
The council and the charity should not be running a stadium management company. Both are 'fettered' as they are accountable to the electorate and laws governing the council's actions, and to laws governing the running of a charity. They would both undoubtedly like to get out. I don't think they need pressurising to sell up. The problem is how can they legaly sell ACL at a price that SISU may want to pay and the land/ stadium ( not sure what SISU want in addition to the bowl ) as an 'unfettered' freehold? SISU , or rather, Joy, has said that she doesn't waste time negotiating. So, until that position changes, what can the council do? In effect, we must keep the pressure on SISU to alter their stance on negotiations in order that the council can legaly give them at least part of what they demand ( e.g. a long term lease at favourable conditions or a buy-in of ACL ). I agree that the fans should also pressure the council to see CCFC as an economic factor and as a marketing factor. A successful football club gets the city's name in the headlines - at the moment the situation is the opposite - we get the headlines, but negative ones - and I think SISU, especially ML, should stop digging at the city council every other sentence. Even if they hate the council, they do own a team called ' Coventry City ' and their customers come largely from Coventry or near by. They should not, therefore be surprised at people hating them so long as they continue treating the fans with contempt ( e.g. threatening to sue the Trust ) and comparing the council with North Korea. If it were North Korea, the council would be able to give them a stadium deal without any pesky objections from disident citizens.

They're not running it, they own it.

You don't understand what "unfettered" means. It's nothing to do with ownership, it's to do with contracts that are in place and legally binding.

A private company in the same situation would say the same things. In fact a private company would've told Sisu long ago to put up or shut up.

mark82 · Jan 28, 2014

All this furore about the freehold, didn't sisu say recently they would settle for a long leasehold. Which is basically saying they would settle for buying ACL.

shmmeee · Jan 28, 2014

mark82 said:
To everyone but sisu directly it seems.

Proof?

Or even, point?

I'm looking for a new car and no-one has called me to sell me one yet. What the hell? Sort it out car sellers!

Seriously, I don't understand why Sisu get off the hook here.

What was their last demand? What was the last thing they asked for?

I'll tell you, £150k was Tim Fisher's first request for rent, as that was comparable to other clubs. He even said "Though I think we'll have to settle for a bit more".

I mean FFS, at this point you have to either be on the windup or have some serious issues to not think maybe it's Sisu's turn to budge.

The logical gymnastics you guys go to to let our owners off the hook is simply stunning. I'll never understand someone who puts a random hedge fund owner above their club and city, I really won't.

shmmeee · Jan 28, 2014

mark82 said:
All this furore about the freehold, didn't sisu say recently they would settle for a long leasehold. Which is basically saying they would settle for buying ACL.

Not quite. They said they'd accept a long leasehold but that CCC would have to "sort out" ACL and other contracted deals. But yeah, you're right in principal they've said they'd accept a leasehold.

Broken Hearted Sky Blue · Jan 28, 2014

valiant15 said:
What part of 'not for sale'dont you understand?

What part of "moved on" dont you understand?

martcov · Jan 28, 2014

shmmeee said:
They're not running it, they own it.

You don't understand what "unfettered" means. It's nothing to do with ownership, it's to do with contracts that are in place and legally binding.

A private company in the same situation would say the same things. In fact a private company would've told Sisu long ago to put up or shut up.

I do know what unfettered means. They want to own a freehold ( or maybe a long-tem lease ) without contracts with third parties ( e.g. Compass ) - hence 'unfettered'.

The council cannot give them that without paying off ACL etc.. The point is, a private company has only to think of itself. It would'nt be bothered, say, about regeneration of the area. The council has to think about such things as jobs, image, economic benefits etc.. I agree that a private company may have said 'the Ricoh is not for sale at the conditions you have offered, please take your third division soccer team somewhere else'. CCC cannot say that for the above reasons and because a portion of the electorate would be up in arms.

martcov · Jan 28, 2014

I also know that the council and Higgs own ACL. They also run it through their appointees. ACL will therefore follow the council line. That is a complaint that SISU have. There is a conflict of interest.

mark82 · Jan 28, 2014

shmmeee said:
Proof?

Or even, point?

I'm looking for a new car and no-one has called me to sell me one yet. What the hell? Sort it out car sellers!

Seriously, I don't understand why Sisu get off the hook here.

What was their last demand? What was the last thing they asked for?

I'll tell you, £150k was Tim Fisher's first request for rent, as that was comparable to other clubs. He even said "Though I think we'll have to settle for a bit more".

I mean FFS, at this point you have to either be on the windup or have some serious issues to not think maybe it's Sisu's turn to budge.

The logical gymnastics you guys go to to let our owners off the hook is simply stunning. I'll never understand someone who puts a random hedge fund owner above their club and city, I really won't.

Both need to budge. No one is saying Sisu don't. Everyone knows sisu should be doing more. Some fail to see the council should be doing more.

Anyway, I'm bored of this now. You folk will never change your mind so I'm not going to waste effort on discussing it.

Hobo · Jan 28, 2014

mark82 said:
Both need to budge. No one is saying Sisu don't. Everyone knows sisu should be doing more. Some fail to see the council should be doing more.

Anyway, I'm bored of this now. You folk will never change your mind so I'm not going to waste effort on discussing it.

I sympathise with your frustration, because I'm living with it too. But as I see it CCC have budged and offered alternative deals.

SISU haven't even started to negotiate yet have they? Have they put anything on the table? Aren't they the ones who keep changing their PR and contradicting themselves?

The stupid thing Mark, if they had laid their strategy and PR out correctly they could have quite easily have had the majority of fans on board. But like most things they do they get it back to front and inside out.

duffer · Jan 28, 2014

Come on then. What else should the council do?

Before responding, consider these facts:

ACL is not controlled by the council. So they can't just liquidate ACL. I believe that the Higgs Trust could also veto the sale of the Council's 50% of ACL shares and vice versa.

The freehold contains leases held by third parties. In law, they cannot be broken without compensation. If by breaking those leases the council might be seen to favour one third-party, say SISU, over another third-party, say the Casino (or even ACL), their decision can be challenged in law - via a judicial review.

The council are obliged, by law, to maximise the return from any public asset they sell.

So, there's just a few constraints - off the top of my head. With those in mind, would anyone like to suggest how the council can move things along?

martcov · Jan 28, 2014

What is surprising is that SISU seem to ignore the obvious, that the council is legaly constrained in it's actions, especially as they, SISU, seem to know something about judicial reviews. I am also surprised that they continue to fund CCFC every year from AVRO and then pay ARVO, considerably less, money as interest back. It could be conceived as a sort of Ponzi scheme. Putting more and more into a black hole, but showing an investment with a decent return of interest in the books. At some time, however, the bubble has to burst - unless they get the, almost, impossible - a stadium complex with an unfettered freehold at a price well below market value. Building a new stadium could only increase the risk of a major disaster. Glad I am not an Investor in SISU.

Houchens Head · Jan 28, 2014

hill83 said:

Just as offensive as an SS flag. If not, more! Pot-kettle-black springs to mind.

mark82 · Jan 28, 2014

Houchens Head said:
Just as offensive as an SS flag. If not, more! Pot-kettle-black springs to mind.

What is your SS obsession this evening? Have I missed something.

Houchens Head · Jan 29, 2014

Just a couple of pictures that I done and posted them on here. A couple of cry babies didn't like them because they got upset and went crying to their mummies. I took them down just to please the twats. (link to thread...........) http://www.skybluestalk.co.uk/threads/41672-For-Wingy

covcity4life · Jan 29, 2014

you cant get over what you did.

hill83 · Jan 29, 2014

Houchens Head said:
Just as offensive as an SS flag. If not, more! Pot-kettle-black springs to mind.

What are you going on about? I wasn't bothered about the SS flag. I said it's a little to far and I even made a HH joke after it. Get a grip.

Houchens Head · Jan 29, 2014

covcity4life said:
you cant get over what you did.

Wrong. I can't over how pathetic you are.

covcity4life · Jan 29, 2014

Houchens Head said:
Wrong. I can't over how pathetic you are.

ahahahahh

Ashdown1 · Jan 29, 2014

So someone wants to protest at the council offices against what exactly??
Can Knowl and his crowd enlighten me and state exactly what they think they { The council} have done wrong in all of this? and what they hope to achieve?
90% of the fanbase know who is to blame for our demise which is of course a collection of owners and associates past and present.

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