Three times in one thread, quite remarkably
Of course if you had won another argument Andy Thorn would still be our manager.
It has more holes in it than the cheese he no doubt consumes.
Can you point the holes out for me please.
kdgruffy/grendel,
I have no desire to argue with you, I have no desire to "win" arguments with you or anyone else.
I used the information that is available to anyone. I used simple and straightforward mathematics. My results actually came out very close to OldSkyBlues posts. However, I freely admit that I or OSB might be wrong, or we might be right, but at least we are trying to make sense of things and we are using information that is available and using logic where possible and not just bombarding anyone that doesn't agree with our point of view with banal and inane comments.
If you want to play stupid games and want to refuse to recognise simple truths, then go and play your silly games with someone else because I am not interested. If all you can do is make stupid comments when others at least make an attempt to put things together and try and derive some basic facts or truths, then I do not understand your purpose in even being on this or any other forum.
I do not find you amusing, I do not find you clever, I do not find that you add anything except sarcasm and refusal to see anything that does not meet your blinkered view of the world.
Now kindly bugger off and play with someone that might be remotely interested in your inane and stupid responses.
Can you point the holes out for me please.
I already have about 200 times just no one ever wants to answer them. If you look around the country there is no stadium that exists of this nature that does not have a permanent residence.
Sky blue Swiss may believe done interpretation of the financial turnover may prove the stadium can exist without the club but ultimately cold financial statistics mean nothing.
Do they factor any decline of status without a permenant resident? No they don't. Like it not the brand equity of the football club has a significant value. I know for a fact the naming rights of the stadium is paid for only because it has a football club. No club no named sponsor loss of income.
Dead easy to look on paper and say there are alternatives. Where are they then and how are they attained? Concerts are limited. Other clubs of other sporting genres will not come here. The suggestion that they will only deserves derision as the suggestion they will suggest a complete ignorance of how such negotiations work.
As a conference facility it is dire. I can book meetings through my company at a discounted rate but having experienced many mediocre services their I don't bother.
To improve ACL would significantly need to add to its cost base by employing real experts in Arena management. They are woefully under resourced in this area.
Imagine you are stared the project from a network planning exercise. Would you build 20 minutes from the most established facility outside London? No you would not.
Without the football club it's a huge White Elephant and would die quickly rather like White City.
This is about the 10th time I have made this points. Oddly they are ignored time and time again.
To be blunt I see no reason for this debate as it is virtually certain that the club is going nowhere as it would endanger its own survival in the process.
I already have about 200 times just no one ever wants to answer them. If you look around the country there is no stadium that exists of this nature that does not have a permanent residence.
Sky blue Swiss may believe done interpretation of the financial turnover may prove the stadium can exist without the club but ultimately cold financial statistics mean nothing.
Do they factor any decline of status without a permenant resident? No they don't. Like it not the brand equity of the football club has a significant value. I know for a fact the naming rights of the stadium is paid for only because it has a football club. No club no named sponsor loss of income.
Dead easy to look on paper and say there are alternatives. Where are they then and how are they attained? Concerts are limited. Other clubs of other sporting genres will not come here. The suggestion that they will only deserves derision as the suggestion they will suggest a complete ignorance of how such negotiations work.
As a conference facility it is dire. I can book meetings through my company at a discounted rate but having experienced many mediocre services their I don't bother.
To improve ACL would significantly need to add to its cost base by employing real experts in Arena management. They are woefully under resourced in this area.
Imagine you are stared the project from a network planning exercise. Would you build 20 minutes from the most established facility outside London? No you would not.
Without the football club it's a huge White Elephant and would die quickly rather like White City.
This is about the 10th time I have made this points. Oddly they are ignored time and time again.
Thank you for taking the time to reply. Put simply, if I understand it correctly, Swiss is saying the existing financials extrapolated forward show ACL can survive without CCFC. You're saying, hold on, the departure of the football club would hit other revenues so you can't make a straight extrapolation.
The problem for all of us is we are trying to understand the situation with only that information we actually have to hand. Some is still hidden by confidentiality and some will always be a bit in the lap of the gods. In truth we can only make educate estimations of what might happen. That leaves a lot of room for interpretation. Some will interpret it one way, some another way.
Ultimately, I imagine everybody would prefer the club to keep playing at the Ricoh to avoid having to find out for real one way or the other. So let's hope they can all sit down and reach a deal!
kduffy/grendel says above:
Why people want the club to pay more they will have to ask themselves. Sky blue Swiss may be suffering from altitude sickness. MMM may really be a Northampton rugby fan. Who knows but as fans go they sure are unique
Why do you attack people that have a different view as not being real fans?
I guess you are not really interested in truth, from your own statements you care only about CCFC surviving under any circumstances and at any cost and by any dirty and foul means. To me, that tells me what sort of person you really are, and should I ever come accross you in the business world, I would not do business with someone who's morals are so low and degenerate.
Believe it or not duffy, there are considerations in the real world out there that transcend a football club, and you seem incapable of recognising such a simple truth.
Grendel and torchmatic must be the biggest muppets ever seen on any forum !
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