Alan Dugdales Moustache
Well-Known Member
Your problem is that you spout hatred to those who simply disagree with you . As I've said before, you're an utter hypocrite.
2 children have drowned.
Forgetting politics for a second that situation warrants respect
Your problem is that you spout hatred to those who simply disagree with you . As I've said before, you're an utter hypocrite.Exactly.
I don't know why this so so difficult for him to grasp. Can only assume he's just a completely heartless c**t of a bloke.
He's correct in as much as it's their decision to cross the channel. It's extremely sad that people have lost their lives. Your hatred should be directed at those making money from this. Mine is.
He's correct in as much as it's their decision to cross the channel. It's extremely sad that people have lost their lives. Your hatred should be directed at those making money from this. Mine is.
Terrible that people have died whilst crossing the channel
However, there is a legal asylum seeking process in place in the UK. Why isn't this been used? What is attractive about the UK and not France? Are we too soft with handouts, is it an easier language barrier, are there more jobs?
Forgive my ignorance with this but what these people are doing is illegal and needs to be stopped before more deaths and more people in the UK unaccounted for
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Absolutely right and sadly nothing will change in the short term.I think that regardless of peoples opinions of people crossing the channel to get to britain.
31 people have died and that's ultimately a terrible thing to happen and a real waste of life , its very sad it has to be this way in all honesty ..
Terrible shame
Top post. Anyone arguing with this is arguing for the sake of it.People blaming the migrants, come on. Most or all would’ve been sold the dream by scrumbag traffickers and are just trying to find a better life for themselves
The blame here lies with the traffickers and to some extent the French. As recent as last week we offered to help police the French coast (refused), we also threw cash at them to manage things better on their side and it’s not happened, there’s been plenty of pictures of French police allowing boats/dingies to leave the coast. What did people think would happen, especially as we move into winter ?! If you don’t dissuade people from risking the journey and/or break down their gangs trafficking it will keep happening.
There’s also been plenty of people in the U.K. that have inadvertently encouraged this which has led to this tragedy including border control civil servants and people arguing for the migrants rights to do it and seek asylum here (going via this route). People I’ve heard in the media saying ‘it’s only ‘X’ thousand, what’s the problem’. Well this is the problem ! People die and trafficking gangs are earning millions by putting peoples lives at risk
You mean the people who arm the war torn countries most of these people are coming from. So us then.He's correct in as much as it's their decision to cross the channel. It's extremely sad that people have lost their lives. Your hatred should be directed at those making money from this. Mine is.
There is a legal asylum system. It involves being in this country in the first place to claim asylum. Our government chooses to not offer safe passage unlike most civilised countries. The organised crime gangs is the only option our government facilitates in most cases.Terrible that people have died whilst crossing the channel
However, there is a legal asylum seeking process in place in the UK. Why isn't this been used? What is attractive about the UK and not France? Are we too soft with handouts, is it an easier language barrier, are there more jobs?
Forgive my ignorance with this but what these people are doing is illegal and needs to be stopped before more deaths and more people in the UK unaccounted for
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Somehow in all of this is the assumption that we have perfectly running and functioning ‘legal asylum process’ when all the evidence suggests that those responsible have no handle on the ‘illegal’ manoeuvres that are taking place - why would the ‘legal’ process not be inundated rather than people feeling that risking their lives is a better option?Terrible that people have died whilst crossing the channel
However, there is a legal asylum seeking process in place in the UK. Why isn't this been used? What is attractive about the UK and not France? Are we too soft with handouts, is it an easier language barrier, are there more jobs?
Forgive my ignorance with this but what these people are doing is illegal and needs to be stopped before more deaths and more people in the UK unaccounted for
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Some truth in what you say but your consistent rhetoric regarding posting 'the government' in every post just like PVA and Ian is like a broken record and invalidates and detracts away from many of your points. We understand where each of you sit politically but it is possible to have a conversation on a given subject without mentioning it. 'New Labour' had plenty of opportunity and implemented nothing and it seems your boy Keir has no plans to change it as you would like. Will we see the same backlash from you or is that Boris' fault too?There is a legal asylum system. It involves being in this country in the first place to claim asylum. Our government chooses to not offer safe passage unlike most civilised countries. The organised crime gangs is the only option our government facilitates in most cases.
The question is then why are migrants wanting asylum in the UK and not France or any other country?There is a legal asylum system. It involves being in this country in the first place to claim asylum. Our government chooses to not offer safe passage unlike most civilised countries. The organised crime gangs is the only option our government facilitates in most cases.
The question is then why are migrants wanting asylum in the UK and not France or any other country?
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Id imagine there are those with family?We should take our proportionate share of migrants and currently we don't and there should be more legal streams to bring them across. What I fail to understand is why they want to come. I realise leaving places like Syria and why they would, but when they've travelled across many European countries in the free world where they can claim refugee status or asylum, why the desire to continue on to the UK?
We should take or share direct from the countries in crisis but the French border controls need increasing and the trafficking gangs dealt with properly, not always by the UK as we likely don't have the jurisdiction but by by the EU block and it appears everyone (and I include the UK) is only in it for their own interests and not the interests of the people trying to get here and don't seem willing or prepared to work together.
Some truth in what you say but your consistent rhetoric regarding posting 'the government' in every post just like PVA and Ian is like a broken record and invalidates and detracts away from many of your points. We understand where each of you sit politically but it is possible to have a conversation on a given subject without mentioning it. 'New Labour' had plenty of opportunity and implemented nothing and it seems your boy Keir has no plans to change it as you would like. Will we see the same backlash from you or is that Boris' fault too?
The UK government has been going on about having one in the Falklands, I’d be shocked if they actually built one in Calais.Hopefully now some common sense will prevail & the UK can establish a processing centre for asylum claims on French soil as I suggested earlier in this thread....
....Its just a crying shame that it takes a tragedy to wake the French (in particular) & UK government up to their responsibilites......
The UK government has been going on about having one in the Falklands, I’d be shocked if they actually built one in Calais.
People blaming the migrants, come on. Most or all would’ve been sold the dream by scrumbag traffickers and are just trying to find a better life for themselves
The blame here lies with the traffickers and to some extent the French. As recent as last week we offered to help police the French coast (refused), we also threw cash at them to manage things better on their side and it’s not happened, there’s been plenty of pictures of French police allowing boats/dingies to leave the coast. What did people think would happen, especially as we move into winter ?! If you don’t dissuade people from risking the journey and/or break down their gangs trafficking it will keep happening.
There’s also been plenty of people in the U.K. that have inadvertently encouraged it which has led to this tragedy including border control civil servants and people arguing for the migrants rights to do it and seek asylum here (going via this route). People I’ve heard in the media saying ‘it’s only ‘X’ thousand, what’s the problem’. Well this is the problem ! People die and trafficking gangs are earning millions by putting peoples lives at risk
Can you explain how you can legally claim asylum in the UK without entering the country?However, there is a legal asylum seeking process in place in the UK. Why isn't this been used? What is attractive about the UK and not France? Are we too soft with handouts, is it an easier language barrier, are there more jobs?
Think you’ve got the cart before the horse here Steve. No one is sat happily in France until an trafficker comes up twirling their moustache with tales of Britain where the streets are paved with gold. Mostly it’s a result of having one of the most spoken languages on the planet and having family ties here.
Traffickers exist because there’s a demand for trafficking. And there’s a demand for trafficking because it’s not easy enough to claim asylum without it. This is the same fallacy as people who blame dealers for drug problems. That’s not how capitalism works.
For me we need to build processing centres in Calais in conjunction with the French and staff them enough to process the level of claims. Short of shooting migrants dead in the channel (and even then people will still try) anything else will just exacerbate the problem IMO.
Don’t be point scoring about politics he says.Some truth in what you say but your consistent rhetoric regarding posting 'the government' in every post just like PVA and Ian is like a broken record and invalidates and detracts away from many of your points. We understand where each of you sit politically but it is possible to have a conversation on a given subject without mentioning it. 'New Labour' had plenty of opportunity and implemented nothing and it seems your boy Keir has no plans to change it as you would like. Will we see the same backlash from you or is that Boris' fault too?
Fair points shmmeee. I’d imagine a lot of the trafficking start in their countries of origin and the channel crossing is the final leg though.
The question is then why are migrants wanting asylum in the UK and not France or any other country?
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Fuckin hellIt's the risk they decided to take. No one to blame but themselves.
People banging on about having family members already in the UK. Give us the evidence. Give us the numbers.
In the five years to March 2021, almost 30,000 family reunion visas were granted, but currently the rules only permit an adult refugee to sponsor their spouse or partner and under-18 children to join them. Unlike every EU country except Denmark, the UK does not generally allow unaccompanied child refugees to sponsor family members to join them, Home Office discretion to do so being rarely used.
According to the government there were 29,456 asylum applications in 2020. Can't give you any breakdown on unsuccessful applicants but Migration Observatory have some info on successful applications. In 2020 5,400 family reunion visas were issued, a 27% drop from the previous year. There was also 933 unaccompanied children issued visas, down 62% form 2019.People banging on about having family members already in the UK. Give us the evidence. Give us the numbers.
Absolutely and undoubtedly on purpose missed the point. It's not about Labour, it's not about the government, it's about the migrants (real people not political pawns). I merely pointed out as someone who doesn't respond in every post about the government that there is a much wider issue, that many governments have failed to grasp the nettle, not only this one and that if you're going to have a go then what's the credible alternative since the guy you would vote for has no plans to change it!What a ridiculous post.
Claim people putting some blame on the government are point scoring... Then give a classic 'but but Labour'.
Quite why Labour should face a backlash despite not being in power for over 10 years is beyond me.
You are absolutely right about Labours plan - it’s no better than the current government one. And you could roll this back through successive Labour and Tory governments… all failed to address and deal with the real issue of their foreign policy being crap. If we are going to be involved in wars overseas, then we have to accept it creates displaced people which we should have responsibility for.Absolutely and undoubtedly on purpose missed the point. It's not about Labour, it's not about the government, it's about the migrants (real people not political pawns). I merely pointed out as someone who doesn't respond in every post about the government that there is a much wider issue, that many governments have failed to grasp the nettle, not only this one and that if you're going to have a go then what's the credible alternative since the guy you would vote for has no plans to change it!
@Ian1779 same applies to your quoted response.
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