covcity4life
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Noone is slagging anyone off. Not even shipley
Noone is slagging anyone off. Not even shipleyBit mad people finding players to slag off when we've won despite having 10 men for most of the game
Dear oh dear
You have to enjoy the wins
I don't think that is the case. He often praises him. He just doesn't think he should take risks when it's not needed - like today, which could have cost us.
Whenever I hear Oggy co-commentate I think he makes s lot of sense.
It’s not personal, I’m just sick and tired of the negative energy that’s seemingly constant with some people ...even despite a promotion, cup wins and a league championship in recent years. Add the negativity regarding off the field matters and it all becomes fucking suffocating.
As far as match day threads; it’s important to separate opinion from slagging off players (which you didn’t do). A bad 10/15 minutes doesn’t make a professional football player garbage/crap...but if you post that it does, when their career spans years and the game is 90 minutes long, you’ve basically made a written invitation for hindsight. To be fair though, it wasn’t that bad today, just a bit of whiff here and there.
I hear you but you are over analysing it. It’s fools looking for perfection in an imperfect game. We do alright.People watching/listening to games will be nervous and anxious due to the uncertainty of what will happen. This leads to a natural inclination to think negatively. If somethings going bad, you expect it to get worse. If it's going well you're waiting for the wheels to fall off. And as Cov fans we've more reason than most over history to have that mindset.
On the whole I agree about Oggy making sense, but you can tell he isn't a fan of keepers with the ball at their feet.
It's the thing about ex-pros offering their 'expert' advice. They offer insight into how things might be in training, dressing rooms etc but tactically it depends on how long they've not been playing/coaching.
Take Bennett when he's on. It's always "get the ball down the wing, get to the byline and cors it for someone to get their head on". That's a very old fashioned view of how to play and if it were Dave from the pub rather than Dave the ex-pro (but probably still in the pub) you'd dismiss his opinions as out of date.
Oggy only left the club a year or two ago so is still reasonably up to date with goings on, but as time goes on his insight won't be as instructive. Given squad turnover he's not going to know many of the players etc.
If you asked many of the most famous industrialists over time their opinions on how to run industry today they'd offer very little indeed because their ideas and practices are massively outdated now.
He’s not over analysing it it’s basic psychology and he’s bang on. Not sure why people get so butt hurt about itI hear you but you are over analysing it. It’s fools looking for perfection in an imperfect game. We do alright.
Probably because supporting your team should be just that: supporting the team.He’s not over analysing it it’s basic psychology and he’s bang on. Not sure why people get so butt hurt about it
No keepers were in his day. Just boot it upfield was the defaultOggy wasn't any good with the ball at his feet, ie Wembley ect.
You've never praised him when he has played well though so that's a bit of a disingenuous point. 2 seasons of being scathing about him and then oddly silent last season.Cant constantly praise players when they don't play well though. Just being honest instead of blowing false smoke up their arses.
No keepers were in his day. Just boot it upfield was the default
Another thought about passing around at the back from a goal kick. I like the idea in principle but I think we can improve upon it with some extra rules. When teams press us and we get into trouble we just need to boot the ball out. Defenders would do that all the time when they are attacking us and consider it essential or even good play - it's not a very different situation.
What we actually do is try to get the ball back to the keeper who is then pressed and we concede a few goals that way. That has to be outlawed unless the path is very clear and there is nobody close to the keeper. The keeper should never fanny about when pressed - just boot it anywhere.
We also need a plan B for when teams are pressing us that way for every goal kick. If their forwards are pressing that must create more space further up the field and kicking may yield better than 50% possession retention.
That seems like a fail here just adverts.Carabao Cup On Quest - S03.E01: Carabao Cup on Quest 05.09.20 Quest highlights from about 27m30s
Professional players should very rarely just boot it out. I’m happy that plan b would be to go long or longer but not an aimless boot. When teams press is when it works best, it’s not the wrong tactic it’s having players confident and competent enough to make it workAnother thought about passing around at the back from a goal kick. I like the idea in principle but I think we can improve upon it with some extra rules. When teams press us and we get into trouble we just need to boot the ball out. Defenders would do that all the time when they are attacking us and consider it essential or even good play - it's not a very different situation.
What we actually do is try to get the ball back to the keeper who is then pressed and we concede a few goals that way. That has to be outlawed unless the path is very clear and there is nobody close to the keeper. The keeper should never fanny about when pressed - just boot it anywhere.
We also need a plan B for when teams are pressing us that way for every goal kick. If their forwards are pressing that must create more space further up the field and kicking may yield better than 50% possession retention.
Just a lack of patience I think WIngy! You just have to sit through the adsThat seems like a fail here just adverts.
Maybe I'm doing something wrong?
No keepers were in his day. Just boot it upfield was the default
On the subject of people getting annoyed about people being negative during the game: I think it's fine to express the emotion you feel at the moment you feel it. We all know that feeling when a player is pissing you off with shit passes or missed tackles etc and then they score a screamer and you're going wild. It's ok to resend someone's previos comment and we should all be willing to laugh at ourselves in this situation! I've spent whole matches moaning about some idiot in Sky Blue and then chanting their name when they score the winner, it's part of the theatre of sport I think
Professional players should very rarely just boot it out. I’m happy that plan b would be to go long or longer but not an aimless boot. When teams press is when it works best, it’s not the wrong tactic it’s having players confident and competent enough to make it work
It's mainly people who I'm fairly sure didn't even watch the game and never comment on how we played/how the game went etc.People do that all the time.
I often get pissed off watching a game and rant, if we end up winning 2-1 it doesn't mean that in the 9th minute went we went one-nil down because of a howler I shouldn't be annoyed.
People then come on later on after only seeing the result and having no idea what the rant was about and quote it to try and act smug.
It is different to watch the ebb and flow of a game and give it a Ffs than to get out your phone and write a rant about an error goal conceded or a simple chance fluffed. Personally I don’t have an issue with rational criticism but saying a player is shit isn’t supportive or an immediate emotional response, it’s a petulant outburst IMO.People do that all the time.
I often get pissed off watching a game and rant, if we end up winning 2-1 it doesn't mean that in the 9th minute went we went one-nil down because of a howler I shouldn't be annoyed.
People then come on later on after only seeing the result and having no idea what the rant was about and quote it to try and act smug.
Probably because supporting your team should be just that: supporting the team.
Planet support your team, you should try it. I thought you would be the first to respond in support of your love child.this isn’t a church fete what planet do you live on?
Planet support your team, you should try it. I thought you would be the first to respond in support of your love child.
That's true SBD but once they picked it up they'd bounce it a couple of times then drop kick out of their hands upfieldIn his day there wasn't a backpass rule so being decent with the ball at your feet was totally unnecessary. Just pick the thing up.
Planet support your team, you should try it.
That's true SBD but once they picked it up they'd bounce it a couple of times then drop kick out of their hands upfield
It is different to watch the ebb and flow of a game and give it a Ffs than to get out your phone and write a rant about an error goal conceded or a simple chance fluffed. Personally I don’t have an issue with rational criticism but saying a player is shit isn’t supportive or an immediate emotional response, it’s a petulant outburst IMO.
We all see the game differently as the MK game showed. Shipley was awful for some and MOM for others.
Isn't that exactly what the govt are asking for?
"It doesn't matter we're making a pigs ear of things. The fact is you're British so should support the British govts actions regardless of whether they're of an acceptable standard. If you don't you're clearly not a true Brit"
Justified criticism is part and parcel of it. If you tell people they're doing great even when they're a pile of dogshit isn't going to make them a better player. You tell it like it is. If they're shit you can say so. If they're good you can cheer and sing their name til you're hoarse.
There are a few who will just give dogs abuse to a particular player regardless of what they do. Similarly there are others who will treat a player like a hero even if they're playing as if they've never seen a football before. But on the whole it's pretty even handed, with merit, critcism and opinions on improving dished out when they're warranted
So what you're saying is that we're making a pigs ear of things but expecting unwavering support? Cause last time I looked we hadn't lost a competitive game in over 8 months, just got promoted as Champions & had the best season most- if not all- of us can ever remember. Not sure what more they are supposed to do tbh, I guess we just have some very, very critical & fickle people supporting us.
Disagree. Match threads on here are for live discussion as the game is going on, same as in the pub or at a match. I have my phone out while I watch the game and drop random comments in. It’s no different to turning to the person I’m with when I’m at the match and saying the same.
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