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chiefdave · Jun 22, 2015

Beer prices don't really impact on me as I'm always driving after the game but I don't really get the need to buy beer at the Ricoh. It's expensive and crap plus you can't take it to your seat.

Surely there's long enough in the pub before and after the game to manage to go a couple of hours without resorting to the rubbish they serve up at the Ricoh?

skybluelee · Jun 22, 2015

mark82 said:
£18 is a step in the right direction but I still think it costs too much generally to watch 3rd tier football in this country.

The going rate in tier 7 is £11 (Southern Premier League level). £18 per game for tier 3 (or £13 if you plan to attend at least 6 games) is an absolute bargain by comparison.

chiefdave · Jun 22, 2015

Not sure how you post tweets on here, that's if you can, but if you look at twitter.com/The_FSF (Football Supporters Federation) they have praised the clubs pricing saying "sends a powerful message throughout football".

Astute · Jun 22, 2015

skybluelee said:
The going rate in tier 7 is £11 (Southern Premier League level). £18 per game for tier 3 (or £13 if you plan to attend at least 6 games) is an absolute bargain by comparison.

Overcharging isn't made right just because everyone does it. It is like booking a holiday whilst schools are off. They all do it but it isn't right.

armybike · Jun 22, 2015

chiefdave said:
Not sure how you post tweets on here, that's if you can, but if you look at twitter.com/The_FSF (Football Supporters Federation) they have praised the clubs pricing saying "sends a powerful message throughout football".

Here's the Tweet fella -

https://twitter.com/The_FSF/status/612954454241861632

mark82 · Jun 22, 2015

Astute said:
Overcharging isn't made right just because everyone does it. It is like booking a holiday whilst schools are off. They all do it but it isn't right.

Exactly. Football at every level in this country is overpriced.

Huckerby · Jun 22, 2015

supply and demand pal

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Jun 22, 2015

Just need the fans now, hopefully the nopm mob will reconsider there position.

fernandopartridge · Jun 22, 2015

It's a good price. It's not free like certain other sports teams who play there mind you!

Funny how the club's promotional efforts are criticised on here by the types who lauded London Wasps "For being interested in the fans"

mark82 · Jun 22, 2015

Huckerby said:
supply and demand pal

Not sure it is at this level. Supply far outstrips demand. All the empty seats tell you this.

chiefdave · Jun 22, 2015

mark82 said:
Exactly. Football at every level in this country is overpriced.

I would love football to be cheaper but when you compare it to other live entertainment it doesn't look such a bad price. Compare it to live music, an act would could shift 8 - 10K tickets would be looking at £40 a ticket minimum, many would charge £100 plus a ticket. Compare it to theatre, even a regional theatre like the Belgrade is £20 plus a ticket. I'd love it to be £10 a ticket and full ever week but I can't see it happening. Mainly as if it was £10 a game it still wouldn't be anywhere near full.

Huckerby said:
supply and demand pal

Not really, if they took out 20K seats would the demand increae? The argument always is there's empty seats it would be better to lower prices and fill them but as I think we will see this season, and the season ticket sales seem to indicate this, we don't get anywhere near a big enough increase in attendance when prices are reduced to cover the lost ticket revenue.

Grendel · Jun 22, 2015

Astute said:
Overcharging isn't made right just because everyone does it. It is like booking a holiday whilst schools are off. They all do it but it isn't right.

I don't understand the overcharging bit.

What benchmark are people applying to this? Other forms of live entertainment? Music, theatre, other sports in the area? To me it's cheap compared to any other potential competitor in the local area.

Huckerby · Jun 22, 2015

chiefdave said:
Not really, if they took out 20K seats would the demand increae? The argument always is there's empty seats it would be better to lower prices and fill them but as I think we will see this season, and the season ticket sales seem to indicate this, we don't get anywhere near a big enough increase in attendance when prices are reduced to cover the lost ticket revenue.

No. That's not how it works.

Mark82 said:
Not sure it is at this level. Supply far outstrips demand. All the empty seats tell you this.

They charge what people will pay. It was in reference to Astute saying that overcharging isnt right just because everyone does it, and compares to holidays in peak times. Also yourself saying that football at every level is overpriced.
Well actually they charge what people will pay....they can charge £25 a ticket, and we'll get 8000 fans. They can charge £15 a ticket, we'll probably get 9000 - not much difference really, it's not very elastic. That's why I don't get peoples argument about it being too expensive and that's why we have low gates. Complete rubbish.

mark82 · Jun 22, 2015

Grendel said:
I don't understand the overcharging bit.

What benchmark are people applying to this? Other forms of live entertainment? Music, theatre, other sports in the area? To me it's cheap compared to any other potential competitor in the local area.

Compared to other teams in our league it should be decent value.

That said, more expensive than seeing a number of the top teams in Europe (Dortmund springs to mind). I think most people know football generally in this country is overpriced compared to the rest of Europe.

Grendel · Jun 22, 2015

mark82 said:
Compared to other teams in our league it should be decent value.

That said, more expensive than seeing a number of the top teams in Europe (Dortmund springs to mind). I think most people know football generally in this country is overpriced compared to the rest of Europe.

But we live in the UK. You can't compare pricing to Europe that's silly. Beer is pretty expensive here but a lot cheaper than Scandinavia so I guess it's cheap then.

mark82 · Jun 22, 2015

Grendel said:
But we live in the UK. You can't compare pricing to Europe that's silly. Beer is pretty expensive here but a lot cheaper than Scandinavia so I guess it's cheap then.

This is a couple of years old but is still fairly accurate.

mark82 · Jun 22, 2015

Cheapest season ticket at Dortmund is £160. Can't say that isn't better value than any in our country. Won't stop me going but a lot of people have been priced out of going.

Edit: this is for 17 league games plus 3 champions league games.

mark82 · Jun 22, 2015

I used to watch Leamington occasionally at £11 a time. Cheapest adult ticket at Dortmund (along with a number of other clubs Europe wide) is the same price.

Grendel · Jun 22, 2015

Comparing prices from one country to another to try and prove the price is too high is ridiculous. So you walk in a pub and you are charged £8 for a pint would your anger be subsided if the barman explained his benchmark is Oslo and he is cheaper? Come on.

standupforcity · Jun 22, 2015

Otis said:
That's all well and good, but what are they going to do about controlling the outside temperatures and the wind and the rain?

A red carpet from Keresley to my seat would be nice too.

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There won't be any carpet left after they've provided mine from London Otis...sorry!

mark82 · Jun 22, 2015

Grendel said:
Comparing prices from one country to another to try and prove the price is too high is ridiculous. So you walk in a pub and you are charged £8 for a pint would your anger be subsided if the barman explained his benchmark is Oslo and he is cheaper? Come on.

How about that prices have gone up way over the rate of inflation the last 20 odd years? That irrelevant too?

Our prices are, relatively speaking, quite reasonable. No real complaints with that (although would be even happier if they were cheaper) but do think ticket prices on the whole are unnecessarily high in this country. Maybe safe standing is what is needed to help make prices more reasonable.

Grendel · Jun 22, 2015

mark82 said:
How about that prices have gone up way over the rate of inflation the last 20 odd years? That irrelevant too?

Our prices are, relatively speaking, quite reasonable. No real complaints with that (although would be even happier if they were cheaper) but do think ticket prices on the whole are unnecessarily high in this country. Maybe safe standing is what is needed to help make prices more reasonable.

Inflation? The prices are 25% cheaper than 3 years ago!

mark82 · Jun 22, 2015

Grendel said:
Inflation? The prices are 25% cheaper than 3 years ago!

Across all divisions? Where did you get that figure from?

Grendel · Jun 22, 2015

mark82 said:
Across all divisions? Where did you get that figure from?

Not the divisions - ccfc.

mark82 · Jun 22, 2015

Grendel said:
Not the divisions - ccfc.

I've already said our prices are relatively reasonable. I'm talking in more general terms across English football.

Huckerby · Jun 22, 2015

mark82 said:
How about that prices have gone up way over the rate of inflation the last 20 odd years? That irrelevant too?

Our prices are, relatively speaking, quite reasonable. No real complaints with that (although would be even happier if they were cheaper) but do think ticket prices on the whole are unnecessarily high in this country. Maybe safe standing is what is needed to help make prices more reasonable.

Why are you comparing it to inflation?

mark82 · Jun 22, 2015

Huckerby said:
Why are you comparing it to inflation?

Why wouldn't you? Also, comparing to prices in other countries was not acceptable.

What am I allowed to compare it to? Is there an official list?

Grendel · Jun 22, 2015

mark82 said:
Why wouldn't you? Also, comparing to prices in other countries was not acceptable.

What am I allowed to compare it to? Is there an official list?

How do the crowds compare in this country to others? What's an average price in the German bundesligia against the premier league? How many more watch their games?

Huckerby · Jun 22, 2015

mark82 said:
Why wouldn't you? Also, comparing to prices in other countries was not acceptable.

What am I allowed to compare it to? Is there an official list?

I just don't really see what comparing it to the average change in general price levels achieves...it's completely different to general goods...
Official list? What?

chiefdave · Jun 22, 2015

mark82 said:
What am I allowed to compare it to? Is there an official list?

I think there's 2 separate things that are getting mixed up here.

THere's how our prices compare against others, that's only meaningful when you compare against others in this country. We come out pretty well on that front.

Then there's the price of English football in general which is high compared to much of Europe. At the top level in particular the argument would be that with so much TV money the prices could be much lower. The flip side is the likes of Arsenal have little trouble selling very expensive tickets so simple supply and demand would suggest its not overpriced.

mark82 · Jun 22, 2015

Grendel said:
How do the crowds compare in this country to others? What's an average price in the German bundesligia against the premier league? How many more watch their games?

Bundesliga
http://www.soccerstats.com/attendance.asp?league=germany

Premier League http://www.soccerstats.com/attendance.asp?league=england

Not much in attendance figures. Will get avg ticket prices.

mark82 · Jun 22, 2015

chiefdave said:
I think there's 2 separate things that are getting mixed up here.

THere's how our prices compare against others, that's only meaningful when you compare against others in this country. We come out pretty well on that front.

Then there's the price of English football in general which is high compared to much of Europe. At the top level in particular the argument would be that with so much TV money the prices could be much lower. The flip side is the likes of Arsenal have little trouble selling very expensive tickets so simple supply and demand would suggest its not overpriced.

Exactly. Completely agree.

Huckerby · Jun 22, 2015

chiefdave said:
I think there's 2 separate things that are getting mixed up here.

THere's how our prices compare against others, that's only meaningful when you compare against others in this country. We come out pretty well on that front.

Then there's the price of English football in general which is high compared to much of Europe. At the top level in particular the argument would be that with so much TV money the prices could be much lower. The flip side is the likes of Arsenal have little trouble selling very expensive tickets so simple supply and demand would suggest its not overpriced.

Spot on

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Jun 22, 2015

mark82 said:
Bundesliga
http://www.soccerstats.com/attendance.asp?league=germany

Premier League http://www.soccerstats.com/attendance.asp?league=england

Not much in attendance figures. Will get avg ticket prices.

11 teams averaging 40k or more in Bundesliga compared to only 7 in England

mark82 · Jun 22, 2015

Huckerby said:
I just don't really see what comparing it to the average change in general price levels achieves...it's completely different to general goods...
Official list? What?

Sorry, sarcasm. Should have made that clear. Of course inflation is relevant. It means that relatively tickets cost a lot more now compared to people's salaries than it did 20 odd years ago.

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