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ICHAN · Sep 2, 2011

Nonleagueherewecome said:
And who exactly is pocketing the change? And the Dann money, and the Aron money...leaving us with a weakened squad after the summer exodus.

So what your saying is business's are not allowed to make money.
So if you had a business and you needed someone to do a particular job and you had say 3 people who could do the job you would employ someone to do that job? Ok you could say well thats differant, but why is it, is it because you think because you support the football team they should keep buying x amount of players to keep you happy?
This is not a go at you in particular nonleague although it may come across that way.
Why should sisu or anyone keeping paying for players who earn exstravagent amounts of money and put themselves into financial trouble for at the end of the day it is a sport.

Sterling Archer · Sep 2, 2011

I haven't heard anywhere that the move for Jon Parkin broke down because he failed his medical? I thought it was always because of his ridiculous wage demands. Surely the fact we didn't sign Jon F***ing Parkin on £9k a week is a good thing ?!?!? If anything SISU should be given a thumbs up for not succumbing to ridiculous wage demands for a player who can't get in Cardiff's team. £9k !!! Wow. Its paying average players these kind of stupid wages in the past which has contributed to our demise. Wasn't Doyle on anywhere between £8k and £12k a week?

As for Turner, we have a plethora of CB's, no reason not to cash in on one of them. Of course it was only ever going to be the one that other teams were actually interested. I'm not too fussed about the Turner sale, bar 13 games last season he's been poor and his injury record is up there with McPakes. However, if I had the choice, Wood or McPake would've been the ones to go before Turner but no one was interested in them let alone prepared to pay a fee for them. Ces't la vie. Money in the bank for a club who is financially struggling.

So basically you're having a go at SISU for lying about something they never said. I'm more than happy to be proved wrong about this but I didn't read anything from SISU with regards to Turner being unfit still let alone them coming out and saying Parkin failed his medical.

Not signing Parkin is a bullet dodged. We need to be more savvy with wages.

Lloyd · Sep 2, 2011

ICHAN said:
So what your saying is business's are not allowed to make money.
So if you had a business and you needed someone to do a particular job and you had say 3 people who could do the job you would employ someone to do that job? Ok you could say well thats differant, but why is it, is it because you think because you support the football team they should keep buying x amount of players to keep you happy?
This is not a go at you in particular nonleague although it may come across that way.
Why should sisu or anyone keeping paying for players who earn exstravagent amounts of money and put themselves into financial trouble for at the end of the day it is a sport.

running a normal business and running a football club are completely different things and cannot be compared in that way

Sterling Archer said:
I haven't heard anywhere that the move for Jon Parkin broke down because he failed his medical? I thought it was always because of his ridiculous wage demands. Surely the fact we didn't sign Jon F***ing Parkin on £9k a week is a good thing ?!?!? If anything SISU should be given a thumbs up for not succumbing to ridiculous wage demands for a player who can't get in Cardiff's team. £9k !!! Wow. Its paying average players these kind of stupid wages in the past which has contributed to our demise. Wasn't Doyle on anywhere between £8k and £12k a week?

As for Turner, we have a plethora of CB's, no reason not to cash in on one of them. Of course it was only ever going to be the one that other teams were actually interested. I'm not too fussed about the Turner sale, bar 13 games last season he's been poor and his injury record is up there with McPakes. However, if I had the choice, Wood or McPake would've been the ones to go before Turner but no one was interested in them let alone prepared to pay a fee for them. Ces't la vie. Money in the bank for a club who is financially struggling.

So basically you're having a go at SISU for lying about something they never said. I'm more than happy to be proved wrong about this but I didn't read anything from SISU with regards to Turner being unfit still let alone them coming out and saying Parkin failed his medical.

Not signing Parkin is a bullet dodged. We need to be more savvy with wages.

i think we definately dodged a bullet with parkin. but selling a player with so much potential for next to nothing in the current footballing market is crazy.

Nonleagueherewecome · Sep 2, 2011

ICHAN said:
So what your saying is business's are not allowed to make money.
So if you had a business and you needed someone to do a particular job and you had say 3 people who could do the job you would employ someone to do that job? Ok you could say well thats differant, but why is it, is it because you think because you support the football team they should keep buying x amount of players to keep you happy?
This is not a go at you in particular nonleague although it may come across that way.
Why should sisu or anyone keeping paying for players who earn exstravagent amounts of money and put themselves into financial trouble for at the end of the day it is a sport.

Because we had a team and they haven't replaced it. If they want to be competitive and not get the club relegated, they had to strengthen, ie replace the players they offloaded or who left us in the summer. If SISU see doing what they have this summer as a way of making money, it is a plan of ever diminishing returns. Allowing AT to invest in 3 or 4 players in the window, given his scouting knowledge, would have most likely seen them make a profit 2 years down the line when we sold them. I would have thought they'd realise that from the likes of Dann and Fox.

Please don't portray me as some rabid fool demanding signings. I just expect my club to stand a chance and do what every other team does-reinvest transfer profit into signings of sufficient quality to replace the departed. This has not been done, and anyone trying to argue that it has is naive IMO.

And again, I'll refer people to that statement..."money has been available to Andy throughout the summer to strengthen.." (it clearly hasn't)-followed by citing Dunn, Murphy and McDonald as evidence of "investment". Hardly.

Scott 79 · Sep 2, 2011

Chairman of football clubs have always fabricated truths to work in thier favour and will continue to do so. On Radio 5Live not long ago and they were discussing the "biggest lies in football" and Dion Dublin was on the panel - he said the biggest lie in football was when he signed for Coventry city and Brian Richardson showed him a picture of the stadium he'd be playing in, with a sliding pitch and convertable roof, the next season - he said that cov signed all of thier players back then using the same picture of the stadium that never was... this lie however worked in our favour

kg82 · Sep 2, 2011

Sterling Archer said:
I haven't heard anywhere that the move for Jon Parkin broke down because he failed his medical? I thought it was always because of his ridiculous wage demands. Surely the fact we didn't sign Jon F***ing Parkin on £9k a week is a good thing ?!?!? If anything SISU should be given a thumbs up for not succumbing to ridiculous wage demands for a player who can't get in Cardiff's team. £9k !!! Wow. Its paying average players these kind of stupid wages in the past which has contributed to our demise. Wasn't Doyle on anywhere between £8k and £12k a week?

Yeah, £9k for him is way too much, even though I don't actually mind him as a player. But he's not worth that. But there was definitely some stories that I read that said he'd failed the medical.

ICHAN · Sep 2, 2011

Nonleagueherewecome said:
Allowing AT to invest in 3 or 4 players in the window, given his scouting knowledge, would have most likely seen them make a profit 2 years down the line when we sold them. I would have thought they'd realise that from the likes of Dann and Fox.

Nonleagueherewecome said:
The thing is nonleague people are moaning because they did this with Dann and Fox and people are saying that this will happen with cody if he is any good so how can they win there? I fully agree that invest to make the team better and so make more money etc etc but they don't have the money as far as I am aware, that does not mean I believe them when they say they don't but I can not prove that they have.
As far as replacing the players that left, then lets be honest here most were rubbish and just taking money for old rope, I agree they do need to get some bodies in but paying wages to people who were no good or at the end of contracts when they weren't playing anyway would have been throwing money away, maybe AT said he did not want all the dead wood anymore in the team?Those that went who were offered contracts did not want to stay anyway IMO.

Please don't portray me as some rabid fool demanding signings. I just expect my club to stand a chance and do what every other team does-reinvest transfer profit into signings of sufficient quality to replace the departed. This has not been done, and anyone trying to argue that it has is naive IMO.

I was not portarying you as a rabid fool demanding signings, as I said it was not aimed at you I don't do personal attacks on people especially people I don't know and if you did think it was aimed at you then I apoligise (the keep you happy should have been worded better I agree).

skybluesteve76 · Sep 2, 2011

Nonleagueherewecome said:
And who exactly is pocketing the change? And the Dann money, and the Aron money...leaving us with a weakened squad after the summer exodus.

They are running a business ffs

skybluesteve76 · Sep 2, 2011

ICHAN said:
Nonleagueherewecome said:

Allowing AT to invest in 3 or 4 players in the window, given his scouting knowledge, would have most likely seen them make a profit 2 years down the line when we sold them. I would have thought they'd realise that from the likes of Dann and Fox.

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Nonleagueherewecome said:

The thing is nonleague people are moaning because they did this with Dann and Fox and people are saying that this will happen with cody if he is any good so how can they win there? I fully agree that invest to make the team better and so make more money etc etc but they don't have the money as far as I am aware, that does not mean I believe them when they say they don't but I can not prove that they have.
As far as replacing the players that left, then lets be honest here most were rubbish and just taking money for old rope, I agree they do need to get some bodies in but paying wages to people who were no good or at the end of contracts when they weren't playing anyway would have been throwing money away, maybe AT said he did not want all the dead wood anymore in the team?Those that went who were offered contracts did not want to stay anyway IMO.

Please don't portray me as some rabid fool demanding signings. I just expect my club to stand a chance and do what every other team does-reinvest transfer profit into signings of sufficient quality to replace the departed. This has not been done, and anyone trying to argue that it has is naive IMO.

I was not portarying you as a rabid fool demanding signings, as I said it was not aimed at you I don't do personal attacks on people especially people I don't know and if you did think it was aimed at you then I apoligise (the keep you happy should have been worded better I agree).

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Your posts are far too long!

lordsummerisle · Sep 2, 2011

Lloyd said:
you mean like Ward? Who is now a premier league defender? Or Scott Dann who is also now a Premier League defender?

Comparing Dann to Turner is just laughable.

Jack Griffin · Sep 2, 2011

skybluesteve76 said:
ICHAN said:

Your posts are far too long!

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Your attention span is........ Ermmmm I forgot what I was going to say?

ICHAN · Sep 2, 2011

Posts are long due to the fact of trying to express an opinion and one or two words just does not do it as far as explaining my opinion goes, like to back my opinions up.

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Sep 2, 2011

For all those wondering where the failed medical came from
http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/co...deal-with-rivals-cardiff-city-92746-29337105/

COVENTRY City centre-half Ben Turner has signed a three-year-deal with Championship rivals Cardiff City.
City will receive in the region of £750,000 for the 23-year-old Brummie who came up through their Academy ranks.
A proposed part-exchange arrangement broke down when Cardiff striker Jon Parkin failed his medical last night.

All other telegraph articles report that terms couldn't be agreed though.

Otis · Sep 2, 2011

Maybe terms couldn't be agreed because he failed his medical.

Otis · Sep 2, 2011

Actually, they probably did a speed test on him at the training ground, but he failed that because it's nigh on impossible to run fast with pork pies tucked down your socks.

Nonleagueherewecome · Sep 3, 2011

ICHAN said:
Posts are long due to the fact of trying to express an opinion and one or two words just does not do it as far as explaining my opinion goes, like to back my opinions up.

Exactly-and of course, you don't have to read them! I'd rather lay out a considered argument than dispense throwaway one-liners.

As far as "they have no money"-as far as I'm concerned the Dann & Aron money should have covered McDonald's fee without having to sell Turner. And indeed the board themselves said before then that there was already a transfer budget in place for Andy before that income. Yet the only line we get-repeated constantly tonight like some kind of mantra by Eakin on CWR-is that we had to sell a player to be able to get a striker, and we have plenty of defenders. Well that contradicts the previous situation claimed by Dulieu, clearly and transparently!

I also wonder what happens to the excess Turner cash, and the Aron and Dann money now? I suppose it's to cover losses-SISU's losses. But instead they claim to have "agreed to fund the club until summer"! Nothing in that lovely statement about selling our best players to fund the club, oh no. That would be far too open. And I haven't even got onto the failure to back Andy in the market over the summer with the King/Aron/Westwood/Doyle/Carsley/McIndoe/Osbourne wage money being spent on a couple of players good enough to keep us in this division.

:blue:

valiant15 · Sep 3, 2011

Your wasting your time. Some people just can't see it. These people would still back sisu if 11 infant school kids ran out the tunnel in city shirts.

Otis · Sep 3, 2011

Nonleagueherewecome said:
Exactly-and of course, you don't have to read them! I'd rather lay out a considered argument than dispense throwaway one-liners.

As far as "they have no money"-as far as I'm concerned the Dann & Aron money should have covered McDonald's fee without having to sell Turner. And indeed the board themselves said before then that there was already a transfer budget in place for Andy before that income. Yet the only line we get-repeated constantly tonight like some kind of mantra by Eakin on CWR-is that we had to sell a player to be able to get a striker, and we have plenty of defenders. Well that contradicts the previous situation claimed by Dulieu, clearly and transparently!

I also wonder what happens to the excess Turner cash, and the Aron and Dann money now? I suppose it's to cover losses-SISU's losses. But instead they claim to have "agreed to fund the club until summer"! Nothing in that lovely statement about selling our best players to fund the club, oh no. That would be far too open. And I haven't even got onto the failure to back Andy in the market over the summer with the King/Aron/Westwood/Doyle/Carsley/McIndoe/Osbourne wage money being spent on a couple of players good enough to keep us in this division.

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Well this is the bit I just can't get! They say they will fund the club this season but seem that they are simply selling players to do this. Makes the statement redundant then if this is what they are doing. We could all just keep selling players whoever we are were we in charge. Funding the club sounds like they are putting money into the club, but just selling assets (players) is not the same thing.

ICHAN · Sep 3, 2011

valiant15 said:
Your wasting your time. Some people just can't see it. These people would still back sisu if 11 infant school kids ran out the tunnel in city shirts.

Not backing them valiant15 just having a discussion 2 differant things, nowhere have I said I back them, I have said what alterrnative is there? backers are not queing up to buy us.Can you give me an alternative and admin is dangerous as I have said in this thread as to why I think it is, we are not guarenteed anyone buying us.
As far as the excess turner,aron and dann cash well we will just have to wait and see, maybe they will get loans in using this cash, let's not call them out right liars as we have no proof that they are not going to do this yet, you can't use the well they haven't in the past theory as thats in the past.
Maybe onye is telling some truth in his letter we shall have to wait and see on that one.(they all lie not just sisu).
The money they have saved from those leaving lately I do not know where that has gone other than the only thing I can think of is into the upkeep of running the club and keeping us going.
For all we know they may have lost some of there investers and are trying to keep us going as best they can, ok they should come out and say something but business do not always run like this.
Onye may have put the statement/letter out as maybe they are fed up with ken (seems strange he never put it out).
These are all theories I have no proof but I will not just go around saying there shit get them out when there is no SOLID alternative to them because weather you like them or not they are in charge and are keeping ours and yours club afloat and in existance even if thread bare.
My opinion of course.

Astute · Sep 3, 2011

Before you say I am a SISU lover I will say I am not. They are who we have. End of. There is no pot of gold coming into our club. Maybe we were slow bringing anyone in as they thought there was new money coming into the club. This did not happen.

So the sale of one player will cover the losses for the next season? The small amount from Gunnar and Dann's fee will have covered Cody joining us, not much more. This means they are funding us this season again. How many have a problem understanding this? If we bring in loan players that will be even more funding needed. I suppose Turner's fee will cover this as well. If we don't bring in any decent loan players then I will look at it differently again.

On the point of selling our players. How many did we sell? We could have sold Jukey. We know for sure teams came in for him. Why did they not sell him if they are asset stripping like I keep hearing on here? It looks as though AT and SISU have an affordable plan. It helps having some good youth players coming in. We are not far away from having a decent team. We have a new striker that looks as though he knows where the goal is. Signed by SISU

Look at all the other teams in this division. How many Festers are there? Nearly every team has less players this season. Forest are looking at losing their manager for not investing yet again. I suppose we should be up there with Fester spending money we don't have.

skybluesteve76 · Sep 3, 2011

ICHAN said:
Not backing them valiant15 just having a discussion 2 differant things, nowhere have I said I back them, I have said what alterrnative is there? backers are not queing up to buy us.Can you give me an alternative and admin is dangerous as I have said in this thread as to why I think it is, we are not guarenteed anyone buying us.
As far as the excess turner,aron and dann cash well we will just have to wait and see, maybe they will get loans in using this cash, let's not call them out right liars as we have no proof that they are not going to do this yet, you can't use the well they haven't in the past theory as thats in the past.
Maybe onye is telling some truth in his letter we shall have to wait and see on that one.(they all lie not just sisu).
The money they have saved from those leaving lately I do not know where that has gone other than the only thing I can think of is into the upkeep of running the club and keeping us going.
For all we know they may have lost some of there investers and are trying to keep us going as best they can, ok they should come out and say something but business do not always run like this.
Onye may have put the statement/letter out as maybe they are fed up with ken (seems strange he never put it out).
These are all theories I have no proof but I will not just go around saying there shit get them out when there is no SOLID alternative to them because weather you like them or not they are in charge and are keeping ours and yours club afloat and in existance even if thread bare.
My opinion of course.

I had a day off work to read this one and totally agree mate

Sky_Blue_Ste · Sep 3, 2011

Lloyd said:
no great loss? Commanded our defenders easily, won most of the tackles / headers, got forward and scored goals, best rated defender in the league before being injured.

its almost as bad as saying he's injury prone because he had one bad injury.

Apart from his other bad injury?

Sky_Blue_Ste · Sep 3, 2011

Astute said:
Soft tissue damage is worse than a broken bone. Sometimes even operations can't fix the problem. We will not know if his knee will ever be as strong as before. We will find out once he has played for a few months or has his first tackle that puts pressure on the knee. Knee damage has ended a lot of careers. Only very bad leg breaks normally end careers.

I know one attacking player who seems to have not been the sae since they're knee injury....shows it in flashes but not the same player that left us that's for sure!

WillieStanley · Sep 3, 2011

I don't understand why people can't appreciate a decent decision without them being "pro-SISU"

I'm happy with the way transfer dead-line day ended up. It could have gone better... it could have gone a hell of a lot worse. That doesn't mean all is forgiven or that I wouldn't take a better alternative should it come along.

Also... I think we've established that the failed medical came from CET and not directly from SISU - does that still make it a lie from our leaders?

So Ben Turner has timed his long awaited return to fitness this week. The injury that was first feared to keep him out six weeks but suffered set back after set back. He was going to get fit eventually, and as Sid Wilson said in his Fan's Zone on thursday, it's not known which incarnation of BT would step out onto the pitch for the first time after injury. Had he come back at the start of the season to the form we'd gotten used to prior to last season, would we have been able to sell him at all or would we be stuck with another error prone centre back?

After what would become his final match for us, his die hard, high tempo and solid one man show had me convinced we had the next Big Mo on our hands. That was the peak of his City career for me but blimey it took him a long time to get there. I'm sorry to see him go as he met my daughter and I at the Family Fun day and was a total gentleman but that doesn't mean it didn't make sense for the deal to go through.

Jack Griffin · Sep 3, 2011

CCFC said:
For all those wondering where the failed medical came from
http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/co...deal-with-rivals-cardiff-city-92746-29337105/

COVENTRY City centre-half Ben Turner has signed a three-year-deal with Championship rivals Cardiff City.
City will receive in the region of £750,000 for the 23-year-old Brummie who came up through their Academy ranks.
A proposed part-exchange arrangement broke down when Cardiff striker Jon Parkin failed his medical last night.

All other telegraph articles report that terms couldn't be agreed though.

Thanks for finding that mate, I was sure I had read it there.

Disorganised1 · Sep 3, 2011

Remember - its character building being a City fan.

skybluericoh · Sep 3, 2011

Parkin - We could not afford wages, or we were not prepared/didn't think he was worth paying what he was demanding? 2 very different things. If the later then maybe SISU have done something right. The thing is, with this board, will we probably never know.

blueflint · Sep 4, 2011

come on stupot we know sisu cant tell the truth they couldn;t lie straight in bed :slap::slap:

covcity4life · Sep 5, 2011

Lloyd said:
you mean like Ward? Who is now a premier league defender? Or Scott Dann who is also now a Premier League defender?

he made far more dumb howlers than them two and you kno it

besides i said "not sure" if he can make it to the very top

Lloyd · Sep 5, 2011

covcity4life said:
he made far more dumb howlers than them two and you kno it

besides i said "not sure" if he can make it to the very top

well if turner doesn't perform for Cardiff, then I'll hold my hands up and say "well that was a good deal" but until then I shall maintain that he has the same potential as both of them. Ward was known for making that game changing howler every 3-4 games. and Scott Dann got turned every other attack. But we won't know until he plays a few games.

sky blue john · Sep 5, 2011

ICHAN said:
Not backing them valiant15 just having a discussion 2 differant things, nowhere have I said I back them, I have said what alterrnative is there? backers are not queing up to buy us.Can you give me an alternative and admin is dangerous as I have said in this thread as to why I think it is, we are not guarenteed anyone buying us.
As far as the excess turner,aron and dann cash well we will just have to wait and see, maybe they will get loans in using this cash, let's not call them out right liars as we have no proof that they are not going to do this yet, you can't use the well they haven't in the past theory as thats in the past.
Maybe onye is telling some truth in his letter we shall have to wait and see on that one.(they all lie not just sisu).
The money they have saved from those leaving lately I do not know where that has gone other than the only thing I can think of is into the upkeep of running the club and keeping us going.
For all we know they may have lost some of there investers and are trying to keep us going as best they can, ok they should come out and say something but business do not always run like this.
Onye may have put the statement/letter out as maybe they are fed up with ken (seems strange he never put it out).
These are all theories I have no proof but I will not just go around saying there shit get them out when there is no SOLID alternative to them because weather you like them or not they are in charge and are keeping ours and yours club afloat and in existance even if thread bare.
My opinion of course.

No one is going to buy our club and take on Sisu's 30million of debt !!
If we go into admin 80-90% of that debt gets wiped off and then there would be lots of interested parties to buy us its a lot more realistic proposition

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