skybluetony176
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Just to put things into some sort of context with today’s win we now have more points than we finished the season on when we were relegated from the championship in 2012.
If we stay up , we can kick on furtherJust to put things into some sort of context with today’s win we now have more points than we finished the season on when we were relegated from the championship in 2012.
That’s the hope. Afterall, it’s all we’ve done under Robins. Kick on season after season.If we stay up , we can kick on further
But robins and thorn are the same according to some!Just to put things into some sort of context with today’s win we now have more points than we finished the season on when we were relegated from the championship in 2012.
I think that’s a point often overlooked. Was there ever actually a plan to be in the championship this season? Fact is we have a very good League 1 side.Realistically I think it will take 2 more seasons before we can challenge for the playoffs, that's a legacy of 2 promotions in 3 seasons, we are still carrying league 2 players, and we have given 3 year contracts to too many poor players.
There is no way we will be challenging for the playoffs anytime some without some serious investment. We won’t be getting that under these owners and it will be a bonus is we just stay in the Championship with the budget on offer.Realistically I think it will take 2 more seasons before we can challenge for the playoffs, that's a legacy of 2 promotions in 3 seasons, we are still carrying league 2 players, and we have given 3 year contracts to too many poor players.
I’m most worried about our defence for next year. Not confident in Hyam’s ability or McFadzean’s longevity. Rose & Dabo haven’t had a run of games to show what they can do at this level. Osti has been the best, but is highly unlikely to return. Can we get Sam back afsimRecruitment is going to be so important next season if we stay up. Theres a lot of players that aren't up to it at this level and we need to try and move them on and replace them with some proper quality.
I'd be happier with a smaller squad of more quality players with U23s filling gaps for injurers and suspensions.
How can you predict that?There is no way we will be challenging for the playoffs anytime some without some serious investment. We won’t be getting that under these owners and it will be a bonus is we just stay in the Championship with the budget on offer.
Good point. I wouldn’t use the term poor but I would say we are carrying players that are good League 1 players but the step up to Championship is a step too far. Players like Biamou, Shipley, Rose, Hyam, Bakayoko, Allen, McFadzean, could be argued to fit into that bracket.Realistically I think it will take 2 more seasons before we can challenge for the playoffs, that's a legacy of 2 promotions in 3 seasons, we are still carrying league 2 players, and we have given 3 year contracts to too many poor players.
When you look at the strikers the other teams have, we will definitely need more investment if we stay up. Listening to OSB that money is unlikely to come from the owners, so it would probably require an asset sale, however I cant see a player that would get sizable a big fee. Robins and his staff will need to find a bargain again who can score at this level, one hopefully who has a decent injury record, I appreciate that's a big ask, but for me that's the reality of our situation. A few of those draws this season would have been wins. All I am talking about is staying up again, nothing more.
I think our most saleable asset is Gus Hamer or O’Hare.... but probably Hamer.
I think if we could get Liam Walsh back on a free, we might consider selling Hamer to raise funds for a forward. That’s the only way I can see us being able to afford a striker with any form of a good record In Championship/League 1.
If we want to make a step up in the Championship then we need to step up the quality of our defence as an immediate priority with no sentiment.
Kieran Westwood is available on a free transfer in the summer and I’m not one to suggest ex-players or players over the age of 27/28 but I think he would be an immediate step up on Marosi/Wilson in a position that I feel neither has made their own this season.
I think our most saleable asset is Gus Hamer or O’Hare.... but probably Hamer.
I think if we could get Liam Walsh back on a free, we might consider selling Hamer to raise funds for a forward. That’s the only way I can see us being able to afford a striker with any form of a good record In Championship/League 1.
If we want to make a step up in the Championship then we need to step up the quality of our defence as an immediate priority with no sentiment.
Kieran Westwood is available on a free transfer in the summer and I’m not one to suggest ex-players or players over the age of 27/28 but I think he would be an immediate step up on Marosi/Wilson in a position that I feel neither has made their own this season.
I think the argument goes that defenders command less wage than strikersI’m most worried about our defence for next year. Not confident in Hyam’s ability or McFadzean’s longevity. Rose & Dabo haven’t had a run of games to show what they can do at this level. Osti has been the best, but is highly unlikely to return. Can we get Sam back afsim
Lots of rebuilding. Several positions up for grabs, but defence is my biggest concern.
How can we attract better players when almost all the other teams in the division will be offering more money?
We need to sell a viable dream. At least playing in our city is part of it now....
Think Dave Boddy has been very clear that this season will need paying back over the next 5 or 6I'm of the opinion that Robins will get the backing when you think this season with no fans money was spent on walker and gamer, also ohare wages wise hilsnerand decosta. So with over 7000 MS/St sales sold already I think he will get backing.
He will need to move on certain players, but next season as this season has proved we will need a in depth squad also and a strong reserve team of youngsters from the acedemy.
Think Dave Boddy has been very clear that this season will need paying back over the next 5 or 6
How can you predict that?
Whatever the history with sisu, (and god knows they've made some fuck ups)
You cant argue that they haven't backed MR and supported his ambitions so far. Next season will see us return to the Ricoh arena and if gates permit, we can be as competitive financially as the likes of Barnsley or Brentford which are in the playoff positions.
As I've said before, it might take a couple of seasons to sort our squad out, but anything is possible if the fans believe and turn up in numbers!
We're not ..they've sold some players for big money in recent yearsI don't think we can be as financially competitive as Brentford surely?!
I think our most saleable asset is Gus Hamer or O’Hare.... but probably Hamer.
I think if we could get Liam Walsh back on a free, we might consider selling Hamer to raise funds for a forward. That’s the only way I can see us being able to afford a striker with any form of a good record In Championship/League 1.
If we want to make a step up in the Championship then we need to step up the quality of our defence as an immediate priority with no sentiment.
Kieran Westwood is available on a free transfer in the summer and I’m not one to suggest ex-players or players over the age of 27/28 but I think he would be an immediate step up on Marosi/Wilson in a position that I feel neither has made their own this season.
not quite what he said . He said there would be incremental increases, but with that provisoThink Dave Boddy has been very clear that this season will need paying back over the next 5 or 6
Their wage bill is 160% of their revenue, and they owe their owner £102M that always helps.We're not ..they've sold some players for big money in recent years
Their wage bill is 160% of their revenue, and they owe their owner £102M that always helps.
you think so - our revenue this year despite Covid will be quite comfortably > player wagesTBF we’re probably not a million miles from that last couple of seasons.
you think so - our revenue this year despite Covid will be quite comfortably > player wages
Season tickets / TV money/ Consolidation payments/ Player sales/ Commercial income - with overheads minimised
Recruitment is going to be so important next season if we stay up. Theres a lot of players that aren't up to it at this level and we need to try and move them on and replace them with some proper quality.
I'd be happier with a smaller squad of more quality players with U23s filling gaps for injurers and suspensions.
If we stay in the Championship then the summer is going to be pretty brutal for the squad. There has to be a big clear out to enable us to progress next season. A lot of the players are not at this level:
Marosi
Wilson
Rose
Fadz
Hyam
Dacosta
Shipley
Allen
Hilsner
Sheaf (no idea if we can back out of deal)
Kasta
Jobello
Baka
Loan players gone:
Osti
McCallum
James
Viktor
That’s nearly 17 players. Of course Robins will probably keep some like Marosi, Rose and Sheaf (if we have to sign him).
Huge churn coming and the recruitment department are going to have to be on their A game, as I’ve not been convinced by a lot of the signings
We need to be smarter than just moving on all of the players not quite up to it and replacing them. If you're moving on 17 players then it's 17 new championship level contracts plus signing on fees and possible transfer fees.If we stay in the Championship then the summer is going to be pretty brutal for the squad. There has to be a big clear out to enable us to progress next season. A lot of the players are not at this level:
Marosi
Wilson
Rose
Fadz
Hyam
Dacosta
Shipley
Allen
Hilsner
Sheaf (no idea if we can back out of deal)
Kasta
Jobello
Baka
Loan players gone:
Osti
McCallum
James
Viktor
That’s nearly 17 players. Of course Robins will probably keep some like Marosi, Rose and Sheaf (if we have to sign him).
Huge churn coming and the recruitment department are going to have to be on their A game, as I’ve not been convinced by a lot of the signings
Callum Wilson sell onMaybe, though I’d be surprised. Depends what our wage bill is this year. Who have we sold this financial year? McCallum was last year.
Maybe, though I’d be surprised. Depends what our wage bill is this year. Who have we sold this financial year? McCallum was last year.
Also gained £500,000 from TV appearances.
We sold the same number of season tickets as last year and I think averaging 15k is very optimistic.Yeah but no crowds say £10/head, what? 15k attendances? That’s £3.45m over a season (assuming iFollow is cancelled out by corporate and programs and whatever).
O’Hare, Hamer and James alone are £1.5m/year according to rumours, there’s the £5m gone already.
Id be very surprised if we didn’t lose money this season.
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