Yep, the treatment of the kid is most worrying. He clearly doesn't understand the questioning and struggles with the concepts and consequences.Watched the first 3 episodes, yet to be convinced its conclusively a frame up job on Avery for murder yet despite some shady behavior.
The part where they interview Dassey and he 'confesses' is pretty bad, I mean I don't know the law but seems wrong that they can interview a 16 year old who is slow with no legal representative or guardian present. He didn't seem to understand what was going on and was more worried about his school project and when he was told he would be arrested asking if it was just for a day. Remembering also that we only see a small snippet and the actual interview lasted for 4 hours can be very wearing especially on some one of his mentality, his mind was probably frazzled after 2 hours and he's just making stuff up in the hope they stop asking questions.
Watched the first 3 episodes, yet to be convinced its conclusively a frame up job on Avery for murder yet despite some shady behavior.
The part where they interview Dassey and he 'confesses' is pretty bad, I mean I don't know the law but seems wrong that they can interview a 16 year old who is slow with no legal representative or guardian present. He didn't seem to understand what was going on and was more worried about his school project and when he was told he would be arrested asking if it was just for a day. Remembering also that we only see a small snippet and the actual interview lasted for 4 hours can be very wearing especially on some one of his mentality, his mind was probably frazzled after 2 hours and he's just making stuff up in the hope they stop asking questions.
He also thinks he can go back home if he says what they want him to say and go back to school the next day.That's the idea I got, he is just saying things that he thinks they want to hear for it to all be over. I think at one point they say "Do you want to go jail?" and he says no, they say "well do this then". Which I think is admitting it all.
Can't believe the judge ruled the confession as voluntary/un-coercedHe also thinks he can go back home if he says what they want him to say and go back to school the next day.
He is definitely coerced.
There was one simple way to prove to the cops of his making stuff up and that was to give him misinformation, rather than hint at what happened to the victim.
Had they just said 'well, we know you cut her fingers off. Who did that to her, Steven or you? Explain how you cut her fingers off.'
Stuff like that. They were giving him misinformation anyway, saying if he told the truth they would help him and stand by him.
Instead of trying to get him to say her throat had been slit, they should have given untruths and then seen if he had contradicted them.
They could have easily proved it was a nonsense.
Instead of saying something happened to head, what else happened to her head,? So it ended up where he was guessing, they could have led him in a direction where they would have known he was making it up.
Can't believe the judge ruled the confession as voluntary/un-coerced
Half the time he doesn't seem to know what he's saying but that confession he gave to his mum over the phone have to say seemed pretty genuine.
But then he changed his mind again and said he was saying it to make them happy or something like that if that's the call I remember?
Ah now he's changed his mind again, must have been a right ordeal for this lad choosing what to watch on TV.
Shocking moment at the end where they pull out the vial of his blood with a broken seal and needle hole.
Oh yes of course. How could that be? She had the car for 5 years and obviously had used the key for 5 years, but there wasn't even one single speck of her DNA on the key anywhere to be found.Not to mention her car key that only had his DNA / Prints on and not hers....
Yep, rings a bell, but I'm not totally sure.Didn't the DNA evidence have some doubts too?
Something like if it is inconclusive they have to do it again to be sure, but something happened so it was inconclusive or contaminated but they didn't do it again?
Didn't they use the whole sample and that was the problem? They should have done the test again but couldn't because it was contaminated?It was the bit where they had the woman who did the DNA tests, the lawyer asked her what happens if it is contaminated (can't remember the exact word) and she said they do it again. This time they didn't do it again, and when asked she said in about 20 years of her doing it they had never given a result in that circumstance.
Her brief was to "put avery in the car" or something like that.
Didn't they use the whole sample and that was the problem? They should have done the test again but couldn't because it was contaminated?
What was going on with the Bobby Dassey testimony, he said steven jokingly asked him if he would like to help move the body. Yet apparently these were the words of someone else?
Why would he be allowed to say this and why would he throw his uncle and brother under the bus with the testimony if he didn't actually hear this?
Should have done. He was quoting what someone else had said as if he had heard it himself first hand.He was a strange one too. Was it that he didn't hear it but somebody else did or something and told him?
Why wouldn't that get laughed at in court?
Just seen that, what happened is alongside the test sample they also run a blank/control sample with a known result. Then if the control comes back with an unexpected result they know they have messed up the procedure somewhere, the analyst contaminated the control sample in this case. Assuming she didn't fabricate/plant DNA then its very likely but not certain the result was accurate but it shouldn't have been reported as a match because the test was improperly performed and thus they couldn't be certain.Didn't the DNA evidence have some doubts too?
Something like if it is inconclusive they have to do it again to be sure, but something happened so it was inconclusive or contaminated but they didn't do it again?
Which episode you up to now CCFC?
If it was the brutal, bloody murder they are claiming you would think DNA and blood residue would be everywhere.
Avery doesn't seem intelligent enough to carry out a forensic level clean up and there was no evidence of a clean up.
Think of it logically, there claiming allegedly Avery is stupid enough that he's left the bones just outside his property to be found and that he's left the car on his own property to be discovered despite having access to a crusher. Yet at the same time he's clever enough to do a complete scrub down of his property that no blood or DNA is found anywhere inside.
Either he's the criminal and forensic mastermind capable of scrubbing down his house so no traces of blood, DNA or traces of cleaning chemicals are found anywhere, or he's the bumbling buffoon who left the bones and car in easily discoverable locations on his own property.
Me too. Watched it over 2 and a half days at 4 episodes a time.That's the thing isn't it.
I think they mentioned he has an incinerator or something as well? He could have just put the body there?
Didn't the woman also think the remains had been moved (they were in 2 places).
It certainly makes you think when you watch that doesn't it? I had to watch 4 or 5 at a time.
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