Yep. It's like meticulous and also incredibly bumbling both at the same time.It makes sense his brother or somebody else who lived in the same place doing it and framing him to get away with it. Easy access to everything.
That's what I don't get, would the clever bloke who has cleaned his house from a bloodbath then move a body to outside his door?
What I.Don't get is why they didn't test the blood with the blood in the sample test tube. Surely to see if it could be established the same age blood etc?
Yep, well the documentary team wanted to show the American justice system in operation and it looks based on this, that there may well be something seriously wrong, if this is not just an isolated case.Haven't watched this yet but you wonder how common this kind of thing is. It sounds like it has a few things in common with the West Memphis Three and I'm sure there are others.
I think the fact it's the same judges, investigators and police who mis sent him down tells you something before the trial starts.Yep, well the documentary team wanted to show the American justice system in operation and it looks based on this, that there may well be something seriously wrong, if this is not just an isolated case.
People who are watching this in the UK must be saying 'What! You can't convict based on that surely?'
And the fact they didn't like him or his family. They had a jaundiced view before they even started with the arrest and the questioning.I think the fact it's the same judges, investigators and police who mis sent him down tells you something before the trial starts.
They are all on tv before the trial naming him and his guilt
Somewhere is my favourite website.You can probably download it from somewhere
Yep, totally agree. I am not convinced Avery didn't do it either, but the evidence just doesn't stack up and I agree with the defence stance of saying that the police didn't try to frame an innocent man, they actually believe he did it and were planting evidence to make it fit the crime.I've watched 9 episodes now.
Whilst I'm still not convinced Avery didn't do it, the evidence doesn't stack up or piece together, and the arguments are flawed and don't make sense. However with the lack of another credible suspect to point the finger at, Avery as the last known person to see her alive would be a prime suspect.
What is clear is that the investigation and trial was a farce. At best it's ineptitude and failure to carry out proper procedures by law enforcement officers, at worse its a conspiracy and frame up job. They had some dodgy DNA test, a dodgy blood test, a lack of DNA which you would expect to be present if it happened as they said which is unexplained, questionable actions by officers in the investigation who had a conflict of interest, one of who is proven to have lied under oath in court and a failure to follow proper procedure and an argument riddled with inconsistencies.
With Brendan Dassey there wasn't a single piece of evidence, he was convicted off what has to be one of the least credible confession statements ever made.
It was just odd.I completely forgot about the ex and her voicemail pin code, that bit was a bit shocking too!
It was just odd.
Why would they delete messages? It's not usually a slip of the finger job is it, it's usually an instruction 'to delete this message please press ....'
Just very odd. Another thing that didn't quite make sense, like the searcher's story about suddenly going up on the embankment to look for the car after only being on the yard for 10 mins. There were thousands of cars there, surely the mindset would be of, if the car is here it's probably buried with the great big block of the line of cars.
Oh yes, forgot about that. Either very dodgy, or an incredible coincidence that the only person to be given a camera is the one who finds the car.And that woman being the only one to be given a camera and told where to enter..
Yep, totally agree. I am not convinced Avery didn't do it either, but the evidence just doesn't stack up and I agree with the defence stance of saying that the police didn't try to frame an innocent man, they actually believe he did it and were planting evidence to make it fit the crime.
Dassey's treatment was shocking and no credence at all should be put on anything he said. He changed his mind so many times and really hadn't got a clue what he was saying or what was going on at all.
Would think I'm summary that it sort of points to someone on the Avery family site, but not necessarily Avery himself, but I am not completely convinced he didn't do it.
The problems with the case are:
1. The car on site despite Avery having a car crusher, which he had been using the day before and was in full working order.
2. The lack of DNA and blood evidence inside the trailer and garage. If this was 'cleaned' then why wasn't the car, which had blood smears as plain as day inside it?
3. The bones. The bones in 2 separate places on site, with the majority almost right outside Avery's trailer. Why would he move the bones from hundreds of yards away to right outside his own trailer?
4. The key. Police officers themselves say it wasn't there and then suddenly it was. A magic key that suddenly appeared in plain site and a magic key, that had absolutely not one tiniest dot of Holbach's DNA on it despite her having the car and the key for 5 years. Only Avery's DNA on the key, which is surely impossible.
5. The local police heavily involved despite it being cleared stated that they weren't going to be involved and two officers in particular who were also involved with Avery's rape case, where he was later exonerated.
6. The licence plate. It just doesn't add up. A police officer ringing up his station to ask about a number plate and when the information came back to him he immediately knew exactly which car it belonged to, despite him not ever having being given that information at all.
7. Avery on the verge of all but certainly winning up to $36m. I know he's not the brightest spark, but that is just plain dumb.
8. The eyewitness testimonies by the people at the Avery yard in terms of Holbach's comings and goings the day of the murder. Only one testimony should have been accepted and that was the testimony of the bus driver, the only credible witness.
9. The burning of the body in a fire pit when Avery actually had an incinerator.
10. The tiny hole in the test tube of blood in the Avery case file. Someone took his blood and it had to be someone from the police department. Who and why? What other reason other than to frame him?
11. The messages deleted off Holbach's phone. This doesn't hold as much credence as the other evidence (or lack of it,) for sure, but it is quite puzzling and only her own brother and ex boyfriend had the pin code for it.
12. 18 searches to find evidence? What is that all about?
There are just so many troubling things about the case. Avery is most certainly still working tirelessly and studying law to try and prove his innocence. Doesn't prove he is innocent for sure, but he is certainly going to extreme lengths to try and prove his case and studying law when you only have an IQ of 73 is some mean feat!
Yep. If they did 18 searches and had searched properly, which you would have assumed they did do due to the thorough dislike of Avery and the fact they thought he was guilty, then you would say they would have done really detailed, thorough searches very early on.And the magic bullet which was found something like 4 months later and had a dodgy DNA test which proved Halbachs DNA was on the bullet
Yep, exactly Stu. You would never believe it.Just watched Episode 4, I am truly shocked at the competancy and integrity of their legal system. I can't believe how the law treated that young lad, absolute bastards.
At the minute I'm convinced he's innocent and he's been fitted up, will be interesting to see how it unfolds.
It is really interesting, of kt was a drama and not a documentary you would say it was too far fetch and unbelievable to be true.
Just watched Episode 4, I am truly shocked at the competancy and integrity of their legal system. I can't believe how the law treated that young lad, absolute bastards.
At the minute I'm convinced he's innocent and he's been fitted up, will be interesting to see how it unfolds.
It is really interesting, of kt was a drama and not a documentary you would say it was too far fetch and unbelievable to be true.
What happened in that one? I don't want to give anything away!
The 16 yo's investigator wanting him to confess and telling him what to draw, then letting the police interview him without lawyer being there. Keep arresting Stevens girlfriend and banning her from contacting him. Absolute disgrace, there was the bombshell at the end about the blood sample, can't wait to find out more. Even the missus is watching it with me.
Yep, not enough made of them. Not enough made either of the police themselves saying there was no car key there in the trailer after a number of searches, but then suddenly it appears.
It's those and the crusher and the fire pit and the lack of DNA and blood evidence.
Not saying the bloke is innocent, but surely there was not enough to prove him guilty and the jury themselves started from a position of 7 for acquittal!
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Yep, that seemed an out and out lie. He couldn't have known the licence plate number belonged to the victim unless he HAD found the car and if so this was well before the car was 'actually' discovered by the two women in the search at the scrapyard.The bit about calling on the number plate was very weird, could see the policeman go a bit strange when it was pointed out
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