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Nick said:

ccc made one didnt they?

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When was that?

nick said:

http://www.itv.com/news/central/upd...y-council-blames-foi-mix-up-for-fraud-claims/

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lol,

ex-mep nikki sinclaire charged with money laundering and misconduct
read more - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-28443384

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Nick said:

http://www.itv.com/news/central/upd...y-council-blames-foi-mix-up-for-fraud-claims/

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I remember now.

You would hope that this was dealt with severely.

Godiva said:

Without going into prediction whether they will build a new stadium or not ... what would be the order of process?

1) Locate a potential site - contact authorities for permissions - then buy the site
2) Locate a potential site - buy the site on condition planning permissions will be issued - then apply for permissions

I would say 2) but am no expert.

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1) Look down the back of the sofa to find out how much money they have.

2) See how much land and Lego bricks it will buy.

Jack Griffin said:

lol,

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I was only talking about the mistake being made

YOU GOT NO FOI's......
YOU GOT NO CONTACT.......

You want some son??? You wanna do wi me?

Aren't these FOI's requests made on the applications for sports grounds etc. rather than individuals/companies? The original ones were.

tisza said:

Aren't these FOI's requests made on the applications for sports grounds etc. rather than individuals/companies? The original ones were.

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Think it needs to be cleared up.

It could well be that it was asked "Has Tim Fisher been to see you to discuss a new football ground in your area" and if it was Steve Waggot or a 3rd party then they can quite clearly say no.... Same as "have CCFC approached you about a football ground" but CCFC have only approached about buying land and haven't asked about planning yet and stuff it could still be classed as a "no".

Nick said:

Think it needs to be cleared up.

It could well be that it was asked "Has Tim Fisher been to see you to discuss a new football ground in your area" and if it was Steve Waggot or a 3rd party then they can quite clearly say no.... Same as "have CCFC approached you about a football ground" but CCFC have only approached about buying land and haven't asked about planning yet and stuff it could still be classed as a "no".

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Need to pose the same question but this time under the guise of India Realty ,Fishers latest Entity .

wingy said:

Need to pose the same question but this time under the guise of India Realty ,Fishers latest Entity .

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That's the thing, cover all bases!

Would a FOI find out any more about the Ricoh deal for Wasps?

nope - the dreaded commercial confidentiality. Best chance of better info is next year's accounts for CCFC, Higgs & ACL.

How would they reply with that? Would they just say "sorry we cant because of confidentiality?".

If that is the case, I'd just get the staff at the CCFC shop to phone all the councils to ask a question about buying land but say shhh its confidential

"anyone acting on their behalf relating to the development of a football stadium and/or any facilities relating to the business of a Football Club." this was included in the FOI

Nick said:

How would they reply with that? Would they just say "sorry we cant because of confidentiality?".

If that is the case, I'd just get the staff at the CCFC shop to phone all the councils to ask a question about buying land but say shhh its confidential

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happens all the time when private companies deal with local authorities or the govt.

tisza said:

"anyone acting on their behalf relating to the development of a football stadium and/or any facilities relating to the business of a Football Club." this was included in the FOI

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How far does it go? Is it having physical meetings, phone calls? Signing agreements?

The requests asked whether any discussions, meetings or correspondence had taken place between the Councils/Police forces and Coventry City Football Club, its owners, agents or anyone acting on their behalf relating to the development of a football stadium and/or any facilities relating to the business of a Football Club.

All of the Councils have now replied to say that no such discussions, meetings or correspondence have taken place. regarding this matter

Nick said:

Would a FOI find out any more about the Ricoh deal for Wasps?

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Already tried and they pleaded confidentiality

italiahorse said:

Already tried and they pleaded confidentiality

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Ah so they just get a standard reply back saying its confidential?

Nick said:

Ah so they just get a standard reply back saying its confidential?

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The deal maybe confidential but they will have to say if they have spoken to anyone.
They don't have to say who that is the thing they say they have spoken to No one.

So for example if it was Wasps.

If you said "Are you speaking to anybody about the ricoh?" they would have to say yes but its confidential and we cant say who?

It is like a game of guess who...."have they got a beard???" "have they got a dog????"

tisza said:

The requests asked whether any discussions, meetings or correspondence had taken place between the Councils/Police forces and Coventry City Football Club, its owners, agents or anyone acting on their behalf relating to the development of a football stadium and/or any facilities relating to the business of a Football Club.

All of the Councils have now replied to say that no such discussions, meetings or correspondence have taken place. regarding this matter

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This being the case then, do waggott and co take us for complete morons?

ecky said:

This being the case then, do waggott and co take us for complete morons?

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Yes!

Nick said:

So for example if it was Wasps.

If you said "Are you speaking to anybody about the ricoh?" they would have to say yes but its confidential and we cant say who?

It is like a game of guess who...."have they got a beard???" "have they got a dog????"

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"Would a FOI find out any more about the Ricoh deal for Wasps?"

Freedom of Information Act 2000 (FOIA)
I write further to your FOI request dated 25th November 2014, in which you requested:
i) the terms of the agreement relating to the takeover of ACL Ltd by Wasps Rugby Club;
ii) what annual payments will be due to Coventry City Council from the takeover in respect of any rental or lease agreement and whether there are any conditions to trigger such payments;
iii) do Coventry City Council have any ongoing costs associated with ACL or the Stadium complex;
iv) What are the annual rates due from ACL for the stadium complex.
You also asked that of the above information could not be provided, when it would be made available.
The information requested under questions i) and ii) is exempt under section 41 of FOIA (as it relates to confidential information provided during the course of the Council’s commercial dealings). This information is subject to a confidentiality agreement between the parties. To provide the information requested would constitute a breach of the confidentiality agreement, which could give rise to an actionable breach of confidence against the Council in respect of consequential commercial losses. As this is an absolute exemption, the Council is not required to undertake a public interest test.
The information requested is also exempt from disclosure under section 43. Disclosure of the information is likely to have a prejudicial impact upon the commercial activity to the other party to the transaction. It is also likely to prejudice the Council’s commercial interests in that disclosure of such information may deter other commercial organisations from doing business with the Council. The public interest in withholding the information outweighs the public interest in disclosing it.
Error! Reference source not found.
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The Council cannot confirm when the information requested in questions i) and ii) will be made available (if at all). An assessment of whether information can be disclosed or if it is subject to any exemptions under the FOIA is made in respect of each individual request for information. The applicability of exemptions will depend on the nature and extent of the information requested.
In respect of question iii), the Council does not have any on-going costs still associated with ACL or the Stadium Complex.
Section 21 of the Act applies to question iv) of your request as this information is reasonably accessible to you by other means. The Council publishes this information on its website. The link to the most recent entry up to April 2014 is attached below for your ease of reference:
http://www.coventry.gov.uk/download...th_rateable_value_of_000_upwards_-_april_2014
Please refer to row 3133 on the spread sheet for information regarding ACL. This information is updated every 6 months.
The supply of information in response to a freedom of information request does not confer an automatic right to re-use the information. You can use any information supplied for the purposes of private study and non-commercial research without requiring further permission. Similarly, information supplied can also be re-used for the purposes of news reporting. An exception to this is photographs. Please contact us if you wish to use the information for any other purpose.
If you are dissatisfied with the handling of your request, you have the right to ask for an internal review. Internal review requests should be submitted within 40 days of the date of receipt of the response to your original letter and should be addressed to: Information Governance, Council House, Room 21a, Lower Ground Floor, Earl Street, Coventry, CV1 5RR or email: infogov@coventry.gov.uk.
Please remember to quote the reference number above in any future communications.
If you are not content with the outcome of the internal review, you have the right to apply directly to the Information Commissioner for a decision. The Information Commissioner can be contacted at: Information Commissioner’s Office, Wycliffe House, Water Lane, Wilmslow, Cheshire, SK9 5AF or email: casework@ico.org.uk.
Yours sincerely

Nick said:

So for example if it was Wasps.

If you said "Are you speaking to anybody about the ricoh?" they would have to say yes but its confidential and we cant say who?

It is like a game of guess who...."have they got a beard???" "have they got a dog????"

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Are you trying to find out if the question could be ducked or evaded?
Maybe looking at the answers would be more interesting? We have the precise wording for the question, but not the exact answers.

Nick said:

So for example if it was Wasps.

If you said "Are you speaking to anybody about the ricoh?" they would have to say yes but its confidential and we cant say who?

It is like a game of guess who...."have they got a beard???" "have they got a dog????"

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That is pretty much it. In reality you have to read between the lines. If just before Wasps bought the ground you had asked "are wasps in talks to buy" they would have said that is confidential. Had you asked "are London Irish in talks to buy" they would have answered no.

So really if the answer is that its confidential then that means yes.

Steve.B50 said:

I think the main issue here is that TF has stated that one of the obstacles for the delay was discussions with the Highways Agency, who have now confirmed (24th Dec) that none had taken place.

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That would be a delay then.:claping hands:

The Reverend Skyblue said:

I wouldn't bother with RFC, he's obviously a Sisu plant as he knows sweet fuck all about absolutely nothing, and he proves it every time he posts.

Not one thing he supposedly knows has come true, a complete waste of time and space.

Ignore the clueless fucker

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Again, he's so... unusual in his responses, if he were truly a plant, he'd be on the side of anyone but SISU!

Deleted member 5849 said:

Again, he's so... unusual in his responses, if he were truly a plant, he'd be on the side of anyone but SISU!

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Unless he's a Sisu plant but a bit thick of course.

How much does an FOI cost? Is it free to the person asking and picked up by the tax payer?

Nick said:

How much does an FOI cost? Is it free to the person asking and picked up by the tax payer?

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Believe so, I think they can refuse to respond if it is going to cost over a certain amount.

How accurate is a request to an FOI? We already had CCC make an error with one, how well are things checked?

For example if Fisher has had a casual conversation with someone at Nuneaton Council is that even recorded anywhere. From CCC's dealings with both SISU and Wasps it seems very little is actually recorded, official council meetings not having minutes taken for example. If thats happening how is it possible for the person fulfilling the request to be sure no individual has had any contact with anyone in any way related to a new stadium build?

Couldn't they just do as CCC did and claim it was an error at a later date if they didn't want anyone to know now?

Can we just drop the new stadium bullshit, its not happening, they dont give a fuck about the club, they have no money again for the millionth transfer window, so what makes you think they have the finances to build fantasy land FFS.

Apparently according to Google (may be wrong) each FOI is a couple of hundred quid in costs each.

There are 13 FOI's there....