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James Smith · Dec 10, 2013

Dear Ms Garlick,

I must congratulate you on your appointment to head the stadium forum, I hope you are as thrilled. This supporter would like a stadium that is built sooner rather than later because each day spent in Sixfields is one day too many. I would also like to know as soon as possible where it will be located as this may affect design considerations.

Kind regards etc. etc.

idris65 · Dec 10, 2013

Am i missing something here ? Don't we already have a stadium in Coventry ?

RoboCCFC90 · Dec 10, 2013

hill83 said:
As much as I'd like to think this is all bullshit, the move away from Coventry was a bluff before it happened. And it did happen.

Exactly. If they do start to consult the fans you'd think they serious.

Joy Division · Dec 10, 2013

RoboCCFC90 said:
We'd all like that, although they're starting to take this bluff a bit to far if it is indeed a bluff?

They haven't taken it any further than they did all these months ago, its still just talk.

bigfatronssba · Dec 10, 2013

RoboCCFC90 said:
Exactly. If they do start to consult the fans you'd think they serious.

By consult, do you mean tell?

A bit like how we were consulted about the Northampton move?

RoboCCFC90 · Dec 10, 2013

The Gentleman said:
Hate to say it but if Sisu/Otium continue down this ludicrous path then it will be a lot longer than 5 years. Need to find a suitable site, agree a price (we know how Sisu like to make an offer), aqquire said land, get plans drawn up for outline planning, sweet talk any local residents that tell them to fuck off (unless they are planning it in the Gobi desert), continue to try and sweet talk local residents, outline planning refused, Sisu/Otium appeal (they do love an appeal), get outline planning, change the plans to suit what they want, go for planning, speak to local council about infrastructure, more defiance by local residents, planning refused, another appeal by Sisu/Otium, how many years down the line would this be without concrete in the ground. They are a world of fucking dreamers, the lot of them and anybody who is sucked in by this needs their head looking at. I live up by Brown's Lane and Peugeot tried to build a 24 hour distribution center there. The land had already been used as commercial and I'm sure it still took over 3 years for outline planning before it was finally beaten by the local residents, and that was a huge organisation like Peugeot, do you think that small time Sisu/Otium will be able to carry the same clout as them. No area, village or small town is going to want a new football ground with all that comes with on their doorstep. so the outskirts or just further is never going to happen in my opinion.

The above is a post I said earlier, this is why I think they can take this bluff around the wrekin and back for all I care. This time frame they talk about is bollocks because no-one knows what oppostion they will encounter on the way. Local residents are the voting public and if we can bring a change in government, how easy would it be to stop a football ground being built. In all honesty, do you really believe people would want Legoland in their back garden ? How many supporters do you think we will have anyway by the time they start the mythical ground works. It is easy to set up these kind of groups, doesn't mean diddly squat to me.

Maybe you are right however can I point another post which also bares in mind.

hill83 said:
As much as I'd like to think this is all bullshit, the move away from Coventry was a bluff before it happened. And it did happen.

My point being whether we choose to believe it or whether we believe it won't happen for x amount of reasons, Sisu have shown they can do what they set out too..

RoboCCFC90 · Dec 10, 2013

Joy Division said:
They haven't taken it any further than they did all these months ago, its still just talk.

But it was all just talk that we wouldn't be playing in Cov this season..

RoboCCFC90 · Dec 10, 2013

bigfatronssba said:
By consult, do you mean tell?

A bit like how we were consulted about the Northampton move?

Why would they just build a ground and not consult the fans?

matesx · Dec 10, 2013

idris65 said:
Am i missing something here ? Don't we already have a stadium in Coventry ?

yes you are missing something

we dont have a stadium in Coventry

we dont have a stadium at all

hope this helps

Joy Division · Dec 10, 2013

bigfatronssba said:
By consult, do you mean tell?

A bit like how we were consulted about the Northampton move?

Were were kind of consulted about the Sixfields move, only for TF to basically tell us to fuck off when the majority of his customers.....sorry, fans disagreed.

Mary_Mungo_Midge · Dec 10, 2013

RoboCCFC90 said:
“The board and the owner want the fans to be at the heart of the whole process"

She seems a very capable individual; which if the new ground does go ahead is great news. However, some concen stems from the above bit. How does this statement stack up or be taken seriously against the candid feedback Fisher received at the forums, and the c.90% of the fan base who are now staying away?

Joy Division · Dec 10, 2013

RoboCCFC90 said:
But it was all just talk that we wouldn't be playing in Cov this season..

Come on. Sharing a ground with another team is completely different thing to finding land, getting planning permission from whichever council's area you decide to play in, finding money to buy the land, finding money to build the stadium > then actually building the thing.

Como · Dec 10, 2013

Joy Division said:
Come on. Sharing a ground with another team is completely different thing to finding land, getting planning permission from whichever council's area you decide to play in, finding money to buy the land, finding money to build the stadium > then actually building the thing.

And then finding someone to buy it from them at a profit.

The Gentleman · Dec 10, 2013

RoboCCFC90 said:
Maybe you are right however can I point another post which also bares in mind.

My point being whether we choose to believe it or whether we believe it won't happen for x amount of reasons, Sisu have shown they can do what they set out too..

Ok, let me entertain the notion for at least a moment. just say they go ahead with the new stadium. With what I said above and other examples such as Shrewsbury (which Seppalla herself used as an example) if a new ground is to be built, I think we can all agree that the chances of it getting planning permission in Coventry is slim at best. So you have the possibility of a huge new stadium with businesses attached in the countryside, possibly greenbelt, or even conservation area. With those two options getting knocked back for obvious reasons, what next, I know there are a few flood plains out there, could they choose one of them ? Yes, we all thought (and hoped) Sixfields was a bluff but if this is what they have a contingency for, what is it really costing them if they think they will get the Ricoh. If the worst comes to the worst for them and they do have to build Legoland, then that is an awful lot more of their money and even more money from their investors. I would imagine by this time, their investors might start to ask what their money is going on, don't you ? I know people have said but their wealthy investors wouldn't have a clue, but in my job I deal with a lot of very wealthy people and I would say most of them keep a very good track of where their money goes, it is why they are rich in the first place.

TheRoyalScam · Dec 10, 2013

'and the new stadium plans are vital in getting Coventry City back in the Coventry area' - wow, you don't say, I'd never have guessed, no bullshit here obviously...

'the Coventry area' - perhaps we could rename the club 'Coventry Area FC' and drop the 'City' nonsense...'One Area, there's only one Area, Coventry Area, there's only one Area...'

RoboCCFC90 · Dec 10, 2013

Joy Division said:
Come on. Sharing a ground with another team is completely different thing to finding land, getting planning permission from whichever council's area you decide to play in, finding money to buy the land, finding money to build the stadium > then actually building the thing.

I agree, however we shouldn't rule Sisu taking this route out, some people believe that a new stadium in null and void, I wouldn't say Sisu see it that way.

RoboCCFC90 · Dec 10, 2013

The Gentleman said:
Ok, let me entertain the notion for at least a moment. just say they go ahead with the new stadium. With what I said above and other examples such as Shrewsbury (which Seppalla herself used as an example) if a new ground is to be built, I think we can all agree that the chances of it getting planning permission in Coventry is slim at best. So you have the possibility of a huge new stadium with businesses attached in the countryside, possibly greenbelt, or even conservation area. With those two options getting knocked back for obvious reasons, what next, I know there are a few flood plains out there, could they choose one of them ? Yes, we all thought (and hoped) Sixfields was a bluff but if this is what they have a contingency for, what is it really costing them if they think they will get the Ricoh. If the worst comes to the worst for them and they do have to build Legoland, then that is an awful lot more of their money and even more money from their investors. I would imagine by this time, their investors might start to ask what their money is going on, don't you ? I know people have said but their wealthy investors wouldn't have a clue, but in my job I deal with a lot of very wealthy people and I would say most of them keep a very good track of where their money goes, it is why they are rich in the first place.

All I am saying is we shouldn't rule out that Sisu will build Lego Land, but we can't ignore the fact they are setting things up to make us believe as if it's something Sisu are considering.

SkyBlueSid · Dec 10, 2013

If I am consulted about the new stadium, I think I will suggest that they install a unicorn-racing track around the pitch.

Far-fetched? Well, they started it....

diggerdaley · Dec 10, 2013

I can't wait 5 years,I will move on & follow the saga on the media .

The Gentleman · Dec 10, 2013

RoboCCFC90 said:
All I am saying is we shouldn't rule out that Sisu will build Lego Land, but we can't ignore the fact they are setting things up to make us believe as if it's something Sisu are considering.

I can ignore it quite comfortably thanks, as much as I think they are a bunch of shit houses, this is one step too far for them me thinks. But should I be wrong (not unheard of although not common) I'm look forward to the unicorn racing a poster mentions on another thread

Joy Division · Dec 10, 2013

RoboCCFC90 said:
I agree, however we shouldn't rule Sisu taking this route out, some people believe that a new stadium in null and void, I wouldn't say Sisu see it that way.

Should never rule anything out I guess no. But this whole plan of theirs is so unsustainable and financially ridiculous I just find it hard to believe them. And in the same way you shouldn't rule me out of becoming the next president of Swaziland

henry the wasp · Dec 10, 2013

SkyBlueSid said:
If I am consulted about the new stadium, I think I will suggest that they install a unicorn-racing track around the pitch.

Far-fetched? Well, they started it....

You should specify an all weather track like Wolverhampton. It needs to be used 365 days a year to maximise pie sales.

RoboCCFC90 · Dec 10, 2013

Joy Division said:
Should never rule anything out I guess no. But this whole plan of theirs is so unsustainable and financially ridiculous I just find it hard to believe them. And in the same way you shouldn't rule me out of becoming the next president of Swaziland

Good luck in the running for that I hear the candidate's list is tough

wingy · Dec 10, 2013

May I be the first to recommend, Artificial Turf due to the Nomadic Tendencies of the Owners.

bradwellskyblues · Dec 10, 2013

they really dont get it do they. let me explain mr fisher 8 years ago we coventry fans moved to a new stadium,we bought bricks and bought seats we bought into the whole project,we dont want to do it all again, we expect supposedly intelligent men like yourself to be capable of sorting out the mess,this i imagine is what you are paid for so cut all the new stadium nonsense and get on with it .
we don't want another stadium

oldskyblue58 · Dec 10, 2013

so they have architects designing it, lawyers working on it, fans choosing the drapes etc .................... but where the hell is it going to be................... because it is hard to do all that work if there is no site acquired.

If it is going to happen just get on with it..... cut the frothery around it

we the fans ..... the lifeblood of CCFC, the customers ...... remember them ? ........... can get on making some decisions of our own then !

Deleted member 5849 · Dec 10, 2013

The Gentleman said:
I can ignore it quite comfortably thanks, as much as I think they are a bunch of shit houses, this is one step too far for them me thinks. But should I be wrong (not unheard of although not common) I'm look forward to the unicorn racing a poster mentions on another thread

Yeah as soon as bricks start being laid (or whatever they do for stadiums nowadays - concrete being poured?) I'll start to believe it.

Until that point however...

Hell, even Arena 2000 managed a glossy brochure while some gas towers were still up!

italiahorse · Dec 10, 2013

Deleted member 5849 said:
Yeah as soon as bricks start being laid (or whatever they do for stadiums nowadays - concrete being poured?) I'll start to believe it.

Until that point however...

Hell, even Arena 2000 managed a glossy brochure while some gas towers were still up!

They should be able to tell us funds allocated and capacity planned even without knowing the location.
Both I suspect would backfire on them.

Como · Dec 10, 2013

I just do not understand the financial logic for a 3rd tier club to build a new stadium.

A figure of 25m has been mentioned, a quarter of the cost of the Ricoh and that was a few years ago.

Where is the return? I can see some of the logic for Premiership clubs with the much larger revenue streams, building a new stadium I assume would need promotion and that as we all know is a harder thing to do and certainly not something that can be guaranteed.

tonyok · Dec 10, 2013

They do not have the funds to build a stadium and never will. This is all just delaying tactics and keeps us fans picking sides.

They are already throwing money away every week. This is investors money and these people want a return on investment.

saltaire bantam · Dec 10, 2013

tonyok said:
They do not have the funds to build a stadium and never will. This is all just delaying tactics and keeps us fans picking sides.

They are already throwing money away every week. This is investors money and these people want a return on investment.

Correct. I've posted this before but the only reason some of you think that there is a chance of a new stadium is because you are emotionally involved, you don't like to read it because it worries you. From outside, it clearly won't happen, mankind will have colonies on Mars before SISU build a new stadium, relax!

Q. Who is going to fund it, many 10's of millions?
A. Nobody.

"Hey, we've got this great scheme, it's a goer. We're gonna build brand new football stadium for our customers, the majority who hate us, Yeah yeah, I know there is a bigger and better one already built........ but, this one will be unique, because...........it'll be smaller..................it'll be worse........and............it'll be further away, geddit? For a provincial medium sized club..........in the third division.......... the returns are guaranteed, short term they'll probably be measured in gold bars, it's a sure thing, win/win! Are you in?"

Mr T - Sukka! · Dec 10, 2013

Is there a confirmed site for the new stadium? NO.

Has anyone seen any plans for this stadium? NO.

If it does get built will CCFC play there at no cost? NO.

Will the new ground be in Coventry? NO.

Well glad this is all cleared up now. As we can see we are no further forward than the summer.

For the above questions these should be answered by SISU and what we need to know is why they don't all say yes?

CJ_covblaze · Dec 10, 2013

Fisher said tonight it would cost 20m plus, start at 12-15k, be a maximum of 20-22k seats (he said there was no need for it to ever be any bigger) and based on a 60 acre site that will also house the academy.

Anyone think of any 60 acre sites that are available?

wingy · Dec 10, 2013

CJ_covblaze said:
Fisher said tonight it would cost 20m plus, start at 12-15k, be a maximum of 20-22k seats (he said there was no need for it to ever be any bigger) and based on a 60 acre site that will also house the academy.

Anyone think of any 60 acre sites that are available?

The Old Radio station by the A5 near Crick/ Daventry. Well half that word works.

wingy · Dec 10, 2013

CJ_covblaze said:
Fisher said tonight it would cost 20m plus, start at 12-15k, be a maximum of 20-22k seats (he said there was no need for it to ever be any bigger) and based on a 60 acre site that will also house the academy.

Anyone think of any 60 acre sites that are available?

A little bit of Bile and Disdain seeps out with every comment does'nt It .
Its so personal,But he's right while they remain as owners there Is absolutely no need to go above those numbers. #TIMOTHYDFISHERTHEGERALDRATNEROFFOOTBALLCLUBS

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