Good old Guido making a complete tit of himself today. Ran this story on Long-Baileys husband being a multi-millionaire. Obviously ignored the possibility of there being more than one person called Steven Bailey.
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Between this and the Daily Telegraph going after her based on her looks I guess we're throwing out the idea that it was just Corbyn they were interested in and any new leader not getting the same relentless smearing.
This piece in the Independent, based on new polling, highlights a huge issue for Labour which is anything seems to be getting worse.
The policies of the last election campaign get great polling results yet the same people say Labour should move away from those policies under a new leader.
BMG/Independent: Labour policies popular, but many want change in direction - BMG Research
Corbyn name ‘toxified’ popular Labour policies in general election campaign, poll suggests
Surely another leader in the mold of Corbyn would keep the tories in? Don't labour have to take a different direction.... surely all the northern voters labour lost wouldn't want Bailey due to her similar polices to Corbyn
Long Bailey would be a disaster. I’d be done with Labour if we elected her TBH. Aside from anything else she’s just really unimpressive as a politician
Whats Keir like? Is he like Corbyn in terms of policies? Or is he more central?
The premise of the 'free broadband' policy isn't just about free broadband it's about taking control of infrastructure and improving and providing coverage across the country. Waiting on private entities to do it doesn't properly serve the population as a whole. Of course the facile press can't even think beyond a superficial headline.I think many on here agree with a number of the labour policies (many don’t dramatically differ from the Tories), however, the combination of the ideological basis of some of them (far reaching uncosted nationalisation inc free broadband - ridiculous), combined with Corbyn and Brexit was too much for many voters
The premise of the 'free broadband' policy isn't just about free broadband it's about taking control of infrastructure and improving and providing coverage across the country. Waiting on private entities to do it doesn't properly serve the population as a whole. Of course the facile press can't even think beyond a superficial headline.
Agreed, she's in one of the safest seats in the country as well. I think the left of the party has to be more strategic like you say, pick its battles on policy and go with the public mood on a leader.Long Bailey would be a disaster. I’d be done with Labour if we elected her TBH. Aside from anything else she’s just really unimpressive as a politician
Agreed, she's in one of the safest seats in the country as well. I think the left of the party has to be more strategic like you say, pick its battles on policy and go with the public mood on a leader.
The premise of the 'free broadband' policy isn't just about free broadband it's about taking control of infrastructure and improving and providing coverage across the country. Waiting on private entities to do it doesn't properly serve the population as a whole. Of course the facile press can't even think beyond a superficial headline.
Fair pointThe investment in infrastructure etc can (and will) be undertaken, (partially by the state, without offering free broadband for all. If I’d have been the Tories I’d have jumped on the policy and said it’s a tax cut for the rich and business (who quite happily pay for broadband already), that’s what labour would’ve done. It was a headline grabber but ill thought out and not necessary. This and the wider ideological nationalisations (together with Corbyn and Brexit) helped to overshadow some other good/popular policies.
Whoever the next person is - if they are even a micrometre left of Rupert Murdoch they will be vilified, hounded and have their character assassinated. This is why I believe Rayner has not stood for Leader at this stage.
Having less baggage than Corbyn will temper this (a little)
I think Boris will be happy with any of these candidates tbh which is good news:smuggrin:
Depends. If he does what he’s done at every previous position and fuck things up royally Id be worried about Starmers professionalism if I was him. He was great in a battle of personalities with Corbyn but there were an awful lot of voters who didn’t like either of them and picked Johnson as best of a bad bunch or solely for Brexit reasons.
He’s still got some of the lowest approval ratings for a new PM ever IIRC.
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Surely another leader in the mold of Corbyn would keep the tories in? Don't labour have to take a different direction.... surely all the northern voters labour lost wouldn't want Bailey due to her similar polices to Corbyn
Depends. If he does what he’s done at every previous position and fuck things up royally Id be worried about Starmers professionalism if I was him. He was great in a battle of personalities with Corbyn but there were an awful lot of voters who didn’t like either of them and picked Johnson as best of a bad bunch or solely for Brexit reasons.
He’s still got some of the lowest approval ratings for a new PM ever IIRC.
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Who cares, it's bound to rise! Take a look at the gap between himself and Corbyn lol
Especially as he's one gaff away from a catastropheCorbyn isn’t his opposition any more. And sitting PMs don’t tend to improve their approval rating historically.
Especially as he's one gaff away from a catastrophe
Starmer; Phillips or Nandy for me - the country needs an electable opposition to keep the government honest and on their toes. If it's Long-Bailey or Thornberry, following the same Corbyn agenda, I cannot see Labour getting even close next time around. Ideally it would be a candidate following policies I could vote for. However, despite all the sound and fury, I think that Johnson will be a centrist one-nation PM who will make Labour getting reelected unlikely for years anyway.
Starmer; Phillips or Nandy for me - the country needs an electable opposition to keep the government honest and on their toes. If it's Long-Bailey or Thornberry, following the same Corbyn agenda, I cannot see Labour getting even close next time around. Ideally it would be a candidate following policies I could vote for. However, despite all the sound and fury, I think that Johnson will be a centrist one-nation PM who will make Labour getting reelected unlikely for years anyway.
but aren't we now living in an age of slogans and soundbites rather than well though out arguments and policies?
Everyone said that about Trump too. Boris has just kicked out all the one nation Tories and replaced them with ranty gammons so I’d be surprised. His record is pretty liberal, but also pretty incompetent. Could go either way.
Everyone said that about Trump too. Boris has just kicked out all the one nation Tories and replaced them with ranty gammons so I’d be surprised. His record is pretty liberal, but also pretty incompetent. Could go either way.
Everyone said that about Trump too. Boris has just kicked out all the one nation Tories and replaced them with ranty gammons so I’d be surprised. His record is pretty liberal, but also pretty incompetent. Could go either way.
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