chiefdave
Well-Known Member
How do they stop loads of non-Labour supporters signing up to vote in the worst candidate?
How do they stop loads of non-Labour supporters signing up to vote in the worst candidate?www.bbc.com/news/uk-51245211
interesting interpretations of the causes of these membership rises. Guess they'll only find out the real reason when the votes are cast.
RLB gets in & Farage takes the creditHow do they stop loads of non-Labour supporters signing up to vote in the worst candidate?
How do they stop loads of non-Labour supporters signing up to vote in the worst candidate?
The problem is that they are completely out of touch and seem to think the country is on the cusp of a socialist revolution. They’re the sort who seem to favour being a protest movement rather than an actual opposition party. They should just form their own party rather than continuing to drag the party down.Looking at who is pushing RLB and (God forbid) RIchard Burgon, it is obvious these people have either not learnt the lessons of the December 2019 catastrophe or really don't care if we get a Labour government or not.
Richard Burgon lol
The problem is that they are completely out of touch and seem to think the country is on the cusp of a socialist revolution. They’re the sort who seem to favour being a protest movement rather than an actual opposition party. They should just form their own party rather than continuing to drag the party down.
Starmer
Rayner
I think that will do me. Not as left as I'd like but more likely to be in a position to implement something other than hunting the poor.
The only concern I have over Starmer is he's a London man in a suit.Starmer
Rayner
I think that will do me. Not as left as I'd like but more likely to be in a position to implement something other than hunting the poor.
I know, it is frankly staggering that anyone thinks this thick, racist twat is fit to even be in the party, nevermind an MP or even considered to be deputy leader.
According to RLB its absolute bollocks that people have rejected her brand of socialism. Apparently everyone in her "people's Republic of Salford" loves it so it must be right (from a speech this week)Looking at who is pushing RLB and (God forbid) RIchard Burgon, it is obvious these people have either not learnt the lessons of the December 2019 catastrophe or really don't care if we get a Labour government or not.
The party need to ditch Lansman and his crackpot think tanks
Elections are not won by forcing an ideology down people’s throats
With respect - Starmer suggesting that Labour should have listened to ‘middle class’ voters more during 2019 suggests that he isn’t learning any lessons either...The problem is that they are completely out of touch and seem to think the country is on the cusp of a socialist revolution. They’re the sort who seem to favour being a protest movement rather than an actual opposition party. They should just form their own party rather than continuing to drag the party down.
With respect - Starmer suggesting that Labour should have listened to ‘middle class’ voters more during 2019 suggests that he isn’t learning any lessons either...
The party needs them on side too if it is to win an election.With respect - Starmer suggesting that Labour should have listened to ‘middle class’ voters more during 2019 suggests that he isn’t learning any lessons either...
They won’t ever be able to make enough gains in ‘middle class’ England to negate losses in Northern England, Wales or Scotland.Well they should if they ever want to get back into power
Yes it has to bridge a gap between the 2 I agree. But saying we didn’t listen to the PV campaign (which essentially it is) is pretty daft considering we just got whooped for not respecting the Brexit vote.The party needs them on side too if it is to win an election.
Yes it has to bridge a gap between the 2 I agree. But saying we didn’t listen to the PV campaign (which essentially it is) is pretty daft considering we just got whooped for not respecting the Brexit vote.
No you were always going to lose as you had a leader who was less popular, policies no one cared about and ran a shambolic campaign. Even Blair today would have beaten Johnson and that’s something you will never get your head round
Policies were broadly popular
Brexit policy was a disaster
Corbyn agreed to an election on Johnson’s terms
Blair would have campaigned to revoke Brexit and would have been annihilated in Leave areas
Now Johnson promises to spend a few quid after a decade of cuts and he’s the messiah. Funny how being on the right lets you get away with anything-Corbyn fucked up but let’s not pretend they were held to the same standard.
Richard Burgon lol
Policies were broadly popular
Brexit policy was a disaster
Corbyn agreed to an election on Johnson’s terms
Blair would have campaigned to revoke Brexit and would have been annihilated in Leave areas
Now Johnson promises to spend a few quid after a decade of cuts and he’s the messiah. Funny how being on the right lets you get away with anything-Corbyn fucked up but let’s not pretend they were held to the same standard.
Again the policies are broadly popular means nothing and is an irrelevance
It’s because of these absurd beliefs and myths you have as to why labour is where it is.
You need to get your head out your arse and quickly
Policies were popular in isolation when you didn’t know who was going to deliver them. Taken as a package they were a wish list of stuff people had no faith in us to deliver that didn’t speak to their priorities.
I’m a Labour activist and I couldn’t tell you our headline health policy other than “Tories bad”. That’s an issue we are strong on which a significant portion of the electorate count as a top issue, and we couldn’t get a message across. Same for the environment outside of buzz words like “green industrial revolution”, it means nothing to the average voter.
We had nothing to say on Brexit, crime, immigration or really the economy despite those being the other top issues.
We need to talk on voters terms, not ours, and have the humility to accept where we need to compromise with the electorate.
They won’t ever be able to make enough gains in ‘middle class’ England to negate losses in Northern England, Wales or Scotland.
With respect it was about much more than the Brexit vote as to why Labour lost the election, to continue to blame Brexit for the defeat is not looking at the big picture as to they the defeat was so significant. Not sure I can agree that listneing to middle class voters equals listeing to the PV's campaign either.Yes it has to bridge a gap between the 2 I agree. But saying we didn’t listen to the PV campaign (which essentially it is) is pretty daft considering we just got whooped for not respecting the Brexit vote.
No it means when polled people like the policies on offer and in 2017 I heard few complaints. More to the point when the Tories copy them or half bake them theyThis time around even I was reluctant to vote for them and expressed as much for months in the build up.
I would pick Starmer to spend the next 5 years calling out Johnson on every time his pack of lies comes undone. His lies on Northern Ireland would be a good start and since he lies every week there’s no shortage of ammunition.
The policies may have few complaints but still may not attract votes
That would be because the leader has a massive influence. One was an expert charlatan the other was a wet lettuce geography teacher who lacked his energy from 2017 when he got more votes than Blair in 2005
No it’s just no one really cares that much about specific policies
Policies were broadly popular
Brexit policy was a disaster
Corbyn agreed to an election on Johnson’s terms
Blair would have campaigned to revoke Brexit and would have been annihilated in Leave areas
Now Johnson promises to spend a few quid after a decade of cuts and he’s the messiah. Funny how being on the right lets you get away with anything-Corbyn fucked up but let’s not pretend they were held to the same standard.
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