Brighton Sky Blue
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The BBC one was a shitfest. Got no hope for any of them to be honest
Lisa Nandy is doing best in this debate. Starmer needs to stop being worried about giving an opinion.
Have to agree. She also doesn’t carry the baggage of being part of the shadow cabinet that lost the last election so badly. Went into this debate expecting Starmer to come out of it best (not that he’s come out of it bad) but Nandy is definitely a yard or two ahead of him and a lap in front of Long-BaileyLisa Nandy is doing best in this debate. Starmer needs to stop being worried about giving an opinion.
Didn’t see the BBC one but to be fair all their Tory leadership debates and GE debates were just tosh.The BBC one was a shitfest. Got no hope for any of them to be honest
Didn’t see the BBC one but to be fair all their Tory leadership debates and GE debates were just tosh.
What he needs to do is stop being scared of losing. I'm no clearer after that hour what he actually stands forI am warming to the idea of picking Lisa Nandy and giving her the full 5 years to mature into the role. She’ll get things wrong along the way but with expectations so low that doesn’t particularly matter. Starmer continues to come across as unconvincing.
Was in Bristol earlier this month before the Rovers game and my mate staunch labour said it’s got to be Nandy otherwise they may as well stick with Corbyn,Also said McCluskey and Lavery are deluded and need to wake up and smell the coffee!!What a laugh - if Long Bailey wins Boris can sit with his girlfriend in Malibu for 5 years and rock up for the election to get an even bigger majority
He can do that anyway, Cummings is running the country. Boris is like the Colonel. Just because his face is on the bucket it doesn’t mean he’s out the back frying the chicken.What a laugh - if Long Bailey wins Boris can sit with his girlfriend in Malibu for 5 years and rock up for the election to get an even bigger majority
What a laugh - if Long Bailey wins Boris can sit with his girlfriend in Malibu for 5 years and rock up for the election to get an even bigger majority
He can do that anyway, Cummings is running the country. Boris is like the Colonel. Just because his face is on the bucket it doesn’t mean he’s out the back frying the chicken.
Was in Bristol earlier this month before the Rovers game and my mate staunch labour said it’s got to be Nandy otherwise they may as well stick with Corbyn,Also said McCluskey and Lavery are deluded and need to wake up and smell the coffee!!
What a laugh - if Long Bailey wins Boris can sit with his girlfriend in Malibu for 5 years and rock up for the election to get an even bigger majority
None of them are good enough to win.She isn't going to win but Tubby gets a free pass from the press whatever he does anyway
None of them are good enough to win.
Nandy seems to sound like she’s going to do things different but she will just fall into line with the Blair stooges at the first opportunity.
Starmer on the face of it might have the ‘electability’ - but he is seemingly obsessed that the Lab Brexit strategy at GE19 was correct and we weren’t ‘Remain’ enough.
Long-Bailey has the socialist credentials, but she will be savaged by the press - even by the BBC that Cummings is intent on taking apart.
It’s quite frankly depressing..
None of them are good enough to win.
Nandy seems to sound like she’s going to do things different but she will just fall into line with the Blair stooges at the first opportunity.
Starmer on the face of it might have the ‘electability’ - but he is seemingly obsessed that the Lab Brexit strategy at GE19 was correct and we weren’t ‘Remain’ enough.
Long-Bailey has the socialist credentials, but she will be savaged by the press - even by the BBC that Cummings is intent on taking apart.
It’s quite frankly depressing..
It was interesting they just about killed off the yes /no ,black/white pigeonholing questions.
The uk do not want socialism to just blame the press is lazy
None of them will achieve anything anyway. You don't win elections based on values & facts any more, you win elections based on how much shit sticks when you roll out your PR/ propaganda/ social media lying campaign juggernaut, and it wouldn't matter who they decide on, they are unelectable for at least a decade until they also learn to fight in the same way. Corbyn tried to fight based on his 'values' and ended up being painted as a massively antisemitic out of control lunatic, while Boris refused to answer any questions & just laughed while knowing he would romp home off the back of the nastiest, most technologically advanced campaign this country has ever seen. I am no Tory but Corbyn was woefully unprepared, naive, stupid and utterly lacking in any awareness of what he was facing by thinking he had even a glimmer of hope talking about "fairness", while the huge PR behemoth was tearing apart everything he said 24/7.
Thats why I can't see Trump not winning, nobody can match what the people behind him can do in terms of bankrolling a gigantic campaign which doesn't care about facts, only cares about changing perceptions.
Yeah famously hate the NHS Brits do.
Super right wing, that’s why the Tories have had to promise shit loads of spending and to maintain the biggest socialist project on the planet to get elected.
Labour were a long way behind in terms of their digital/social advertising strategy. Whoever was in charge should be looking for a new job now.None of them will achieve anything anyway. You don't win elections based on values & facts any more, you win elections based on how much shit sticks when you roll out your PR/ propaganda/ social media lying campaign juggernaut, and it wouldn't matter who they decide on, they are unelectable for at least a decade until they also learn to fight in the same way. Corbyn tried to fight based on his 'values' and ended up being painted as a massively antisemitic out of control lunatic, while Boris refused to answer any questions & just laughed while knowing he would romp home off the back of the nastiest, most technologically advanced campaign this country has ever seen. I am no Tory but Corbyn was woefully unprepared, naive, stupid and utterly lacking in any awareness of what he was facing by thinking he had even a glimmer of hope talking about "fairness", while the huge PR behemoth was tearing apart everything he said 24/7. The BBC thing is just the latest example- they want to shut down all lines of questioning. And we're only 2 months in
Thats why I can't see Trump not winning, nobody can match what the people behind him can do in terms of bankrolling a gigantic campaign which doesn't care about facts, only cares about changing perceptions.
They all just look so dull
Starmer had a strange startled look when asked a question which given his background was slightly odd
Perhaps Nandy should resort to getting her kit off and asking for a stiff one back at her place. At least the audience might wake up a bit
None of them will achieve anything anyway. You don't win elections based on values & facts any more, you win elections based on how much shit sticks when you roll out your PR/ propaganda/ social media lying campaign juggernaut, and it wouldn't matter who they decide on, they are unelectable for at least a decade until they also learn to fight in the same way. Corbyn tried to fight based on his 'values' and ended up being painted as a massively antisemitic out of control lunatic, while Boris refused to answer any questions & just laughed while knowing he would romp home off the back of the nastiest, most technologically advanced campaign this country has ever seen. I am no Tory but Corbyn was woefully unprepared, naive, stupid and utterly lacking in any awareness of what he was facing by thinking he had even a glimmer of hope talking about "fairness", while the huge PR behemoth was tearing apart everything he said 24/7. The BBC thing is just the latest example- they want to shut down all lines of questioning. And we're only 2 months in
Thats why I can't see Trump not winning, nobody can match what the people behind him can do in terms of bankrolling a gigantic campaign which doesn't care about facts, only cares about changing perceptions.
Corbyn wasn’t prepared to get in the gutter and fight. Can you see any of the next crop doing it?
Corbyn wasn’t prepared to get in the gutter and fight. Can you see any of the next crop doing it?
supportive of people like Prince Andrew as well, what a surprise
These ‘gotcha’ questions just help to facilitate the notion that Labour is full of unpatriotic, immigrant loving nut jobs. Not a single question on the NHS last night, but they gleefully answer this shite.
Supportive of the Royal family apart from that c**t actually
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