Nandy blew it with me in her Andrew Neil interview. She'd been doing well up until then.
I thought she handled him better than the others. It’s her more recent stuff that have had be worried. None of them are right though because I’m still not sure we actually have the talent in the party or know where we need to go.
Starmer and a Rayner are clearly going to win though.
Would there actually be a point, though? At the moment, we're in dead time and Johnson still has his new PM bounce. What could a temp leader actually do more effectively?Fair question. Maybe PLP could’ve elected someone? Give it to Harman as the longest serving MP?
Would there actually be a point, though? At the moment, we're in dead time and Johnson still has his new PM bounce. What could a temp leader actually do more effectively?
No but normally there would a deputy leader who would be leader if the leader stood down. Tom Watson resigned as well so there is no one to be leader.Are you a Corbynite?
It would be more ridiculous to rule out ever being pro Europe again. His policy is Brexit is done and it's time to move on.I agree - ridiculous position for our party to take.
It would be more ridiculous to rule out ever being pro Europe again. His policy is Brexit is done and it's time to move on.
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I’m totally uninspired whoever wins to be honest - the prospect of Rachel Reeves being shadow chancellor should send shivers down the spine of even the most centre leaning leftie.
She was shadow chief Secretary to the Treasury... wanted to go deeper and further than most Tories on austerity and benefit reform.Never heard of her
She was shadow chief Secretary to the Treasury... wanted to go deeper and further than most Tories on austerity and benefit reform.
Of course she does to you.Sounds promising
Sounds promising
Reeves just said “Labour aren’t the party of the unemployed”, she was right.
She’s got an MSc in Economics from LSE and PPE from Oxford, I’d have her as Chancellor in heart beat. Time for some experts please. Also bringing in the right of the party sends a vital change message right now. We are in the shit and can’t be using factional reasons to not have all our talent on the pitch. I’m not having more time like the last five years where talented politicians sit on the back benches for useless twats like Burgon.
Even more people dead. Great.
She was a proponent of using QE rather than austerity to get out of the GFC recession. It’s just she’s not in the socialist campaign group so therefore she’s a Tory.
Reeves just said “Labour aren’t the party of the unemployed”, she was right.
She’s got an MSc in Economics from LSE and PPE from Oxford, I’d have her as Chancellor in heart beat. Time for some experts please. Also bringing in the right of the party sends a vital change message right now. We are in the shit and can’t be using factional reasons to not have all our talent on the pitch. I’m not having more time like the last five years where talented politicians sit on the back benches for useless twats like Burgon.
Hoping it’s Nandy, suspect it’s will be Starmer which I’m OK with. Long Bailey will be stagnation of Labour I fear meaning it will be up to Boris to lose and election rather than Labour win it.
That’s fine if you are an advocate for uniting the party and bringing BOTH wings together, not just expelling one for another... let’s see how that plays out.
I think your comment about lack of talent on the left is true but it applies across the board in politics.
Look at the current cabinet, there is a dearth of ability.
As for being further away from socialist ideas than we were under Blair - we've just renationalised the railways!! (Joke)
Let me start by saying my politics are firmly on the left. I believe in nationalised water, rail, electricity and broadband infrastructure. I believe in mass social housing being built, strong unionised workplaces, high minimum wage, generous benefits to the point of UBI and taxing the crap out of the overly rich. I don’t believe in competition in public services and I’d rather we made peace than war generally speaking. I want health and education and social care free at the point of need for all ages and backgrounds.
But the fact is there just isn’t the talent on the left in the PLP and putting people there because of their faction the last five years has lead left wing ideas to become a laughing stock. We are probably further from implementing socialist ideals than we ever were under Blair because Corbyn has made them toxic to the country same as Foot did.
We need to correct now and that means professionalism and competence but it also means meeting the voters half way.
I’m a socialist because I want the average working man to get a better deal. The fact is the average working man despises benefit cheats as he works hard, despises crime and wants criminals cracked down on, and loves his country.
Corbyn didn’t come across as understanding any of this and we will need to overcorrect. That combined with the fact that the left haven’t been cultivating talent will mean the SC probably trends further to the right of the party. Right now I’m fine with that as winning is most important. In the mean time the left need to reflect on what they learned from being in charge and I’d argue number one is find professional competent left wing politicians and grooms them for cabinet, don’t just hang out at rallies with your mates whining about centrists.
I don’t disagree with any of your sentiments, but there is also no real evidence of ‘talent’ on the right side of the party either. I will agree there are a few Labour MP’s that weren’t part of the Corbyn years that you could see contributing in the future, but a lot of these were part of the shambles that was 2010-15. Maybe the best way forward is to make sure we have people that are prepared to listen to the ideas of the ‘other side’ and embrace it as a whole.
The Labour right spent 5 years undermining Corbyn, the left can’t make the same mistake with Starmer.
Socialism wasn’t a dirty word among the average Brit under Blair, it is now.
The Tories just kicked all their competent politicians out, we just benched them. On no planet are we worse off with the likes of Reeves, Cooper, Benn, Milliband, Nandy in the SC.
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