clint van damme
Well-Known Member
Think all parties will always have factions but there are the two main one in Labour that need to stop warring
only two factions?
Hard to believe at present, but I actually think Emily Thornberry or Jess Phillips would take the party backwards.
Nandy seems more centred and electable, not heard anything negative. Unlikely to appeal to Corbynites, but surely they realise that if they want the Tory's out eventually they need a softer approach and not something akin to what's already in place.
The press'd go after her family. Her Dad's left-leaning enough to throw plenty of mud at.Nandy seems more centred and electable, not heard anything negative
The press'd go after her family. Her Dad's left-leaning enough to throw plenty of mud at.
In what way do you think Jess Philip's would take the party backwards?
I'm not a fan but I think she would move the party more towards the centre which I think is the approach you're suggesting though she is quite a devisive character.
It was also implied that Milliband was a Marxist because his Dad was - guilty by association.After the antisemitism they threw at the Millibands dad there is no low the press wont stoop to.
Emily Thornberry would be a poor choice.
In what way do you think Jess Philip's would take the party backwards?
I'm not a fan but I think she would move the party more towards the centre which I think is the approach you're suggesting though she is quite a devisive character.
I think she'd suffer from being seen as unelectable in the way Kinnock did. Doesn't matter what the substance undeath is, people are largely shallow and her accent alone is enough to put lots off in the way his welsh, bald/ginger did. The ridiculous statements she's already made about door knocking etc will be brought back to haunt her too …. (imo of course). I do think it should be a female though and if they could find a suitable candidate to tick either the Jewish or BAME box, then I'd consider that an advantage too (but not Abbott of course!)
Emily Thornberry would be a poor choice.
In what way do you think Jess Philip's would take the party backwards?
I'm not a fan but I think she would move the party more towards the centre which I think is the approach you're suggesting though she is quite a devisive character.
“Brexit settled”
Well good luck with that.
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Doesn't want to miss the Xmas partyIts unbelievable that he’s hanging around - every other leader would fall on their sword. Well he’s never been a leader so I suppose that’s it
Everybody in Labour should count their lucky stars he went then!Wonder how much Umunna regrets leaving the party - this was potentially his time.
Wonder how much Umunna regrets leaving the party - this was potentially his time.
It's probably true that they wouldn't. I will, however, be intrigued to see how Blair's re-entry into the debate goes. Is he still tarnished goods, or will people prefer to remember that he won elections, and listen to how he did that?The members would never elect him - they’d prefer the Uber intellect Dawn Butler
I guess they won’t be singing Red Christmas then !!!Doesn't want to miss the Xmas party
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It's probably true that they wouldn't. I will, however, be intrigued to see how Blair's re-entry into the debate goes. Is he still tarnished goods, or will people prefer to remember that he won elections, and listen to how he did that?
It's probably true that they wouldn't. I will, however, be intrigued to see how Blair's re-entry into the debate goes. Is he still tarnished goods, or will people prefer to remember that he won elections, and listen to how he did that?
He really has Americanised himself!Blair himself said there’s nothing wrong with wanting left wing policy, but you start from the Center and move out.
As someone who didn't vote for Labour or Tory my neutral take on it as the labour politicians who I tend to admire: Lisa Nandy, Stephen Kinnock and unfortunately no longer in politics - David Milliband.
Find Thornberry condescending and patronising, Rayner rude, shouty and aggressive, Long-Bailey the robotic labour equivalent of Theresa May. It's policies, of course, that should trump personalities but leadership does matter in the eyes of most voters. In this election (Clinton quote) 'strong wrong always beats weak right' and Corbyn was seen as ineffective.
He really has Americanised himself!
Yep, the remain arugement was arrogant and half-hearted and never truely sold the EU in a positive light and reverted to scare tactics. If the will is there in the future then it will be up to the next generation to fight for the country to join again.Remain is dead dude. Time to move on.
Brexit as an issue isn’t going away soon, but the Remain/Leave fight is over. We lost.
Yep, the remain arugement was arrogant and half-hearted and never truely sold the EU in a positive light and reverted to scare tactics. If the will is there in the future then it will be up to the next generation to fight for the country to join again.
I do feel for those who are going to lose their EU-associated rights of FoM though.
Don't know much about her but her performance on Marr yesterday didn't really give the impression she was leadership material.Nandy seems more centred and electable, not heard anything negative.
Given how often he changes parties he'll have worked his way back round to Labour in time for the leadership contest!Wonder how much Umunna regrets leaving the party - this was potentially his time.
Does she know Latin, can she crack jokes, and how's her fridge action?Don't know much about her but her performance on Marr yesterday didn't really give the impression she was leadership material.
I find that all very disasteful generally. My membership has been off and on (more off than on, admittedly) over the years, depending on what direction I see the party going in. There have been times when I've voted for other candidates because the policy of Labour at the time didn't agree with me.On a side note I find the talk from the anti-Corbyn side of the party about people joining now so they can reject the direction of the party from the last few years leaves a bitter taste. These are the exact people the orchestrated the disenfranchisement of thousands of people in the 2016 leadership election anybody they thought may have supported Corbyn because of a multitude inane reasons. A friend of mine was refused a vote for voting green in 2010 for example. I'm very much not saying the same should be done to people expected to vote for centrist candidates but someone calling for this would likely be a divisive candidate which is not what we need.
Is that why Hitler's son never got the that job at Lidl?It was also implied that Milliband was a Marxist because his Dad was - guilty by association.
the Goebbels own Lidl - so perhaps they fell out with the Hitlers over something.Is that why Hitler's son never got the that job at Lidl?
It depends if they make those boundary changes Cameron wanted to make, which would make it harder for labour to win.Johnson for 5 years is the best thing for Labour, without the Scottish votes, it’s going to be tough to secure a majority in the next election but Johnson can be that catalyst as he will surely f**k it up, he won’t be able to help himself.
Starmer probably the sensible choice but tainted by time in shadow cabinet. Nandy not quite charismatic enough as somebody has said. Jess Phillips has the charisma but is hated by a lot of people outside of labours base. Beats me.
Needs to be somebody decent though as a strong opposition is in everyone’s interests.
I dunno, a lots changed since the kinnock days, theres way more regional accents on tv and radio than there used to be. Back in the 80's and 90's it was largely all middle class southern accents.I think she'd suffer from being seen as unelectable in the way Kinnock did. Doesn't matter what the substance undeath is, people are largely shallow and her accent alone is enough to put lots off in the way his welsh, bald/ginger did. The ridiculous statements she's already made about door knocking etc will be brought back to haunt her too …. (imo of course). I do think it should be a female though and if they could find a suitable candidate to tick either the Jewish or BAME box, then I'd consider that an advantage too (but not Abbott of course!)
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