I didn't think Corbyn was standing for re-election as leader - but it seems he's currently in 4th place on 8%
The next leader surely can't be as left as Corbyn, his awful way of politics was thrown out completely
Yes they will be as they think the public need to change thinking not the other way round - it’s going to be Long-Bailey and Dawn Butler as deputy - it’s hilarious and tragic at the same time
The more you read that what an abdication of responsibility by Cameron and OsborneI’ve looked at it for fucking ages, and I can’t find any reference to “leave with a shitty deal that ties us into the very thing we’re voting to get out of”View attachment 13707
The Labour Party has become infected with the cancer of socialism, and the socialists just won’t accept democracy. I genuinely fear we are seeing the beginning of the end of the Labour Party. That would be tragic for british politics, as you always need a strong opposition to hold the government of the day to account.Madness, surely they need to realise that the public does't want Socialism
Yea I get what your saying, but I think they gambled that project fear would deliver the vote that they wanted.The more you read that what an abdication of responsibility by Cameron and Osborne
The Labour Party has become infected with the cancer of socialism, and the socialists just won’t accept democracy. I genuinely fear we are seeing the beginning of the end of the Labour Party. That would be tragic for british politics, as you always need a strong opposition to hold the government of the day to account.
I think actually we are a centre left countryMadness, surely they need to realise that the public does't want Socialism
Yep sadlyYea I get what your saying, but I think they gambled that project fear would deliver the vote that they wanted.
They don’t listen and think that they know what’s best for the public. That’s why they lost seats in the north. The electorate said they weren’t being listened to so voted conservative and guess what’s going to happen again.Madness, surely they need to realise that the public does't want Socialism
How have the conservatives listened over the last 9 years?They don’t listen and think that they know what’s best for the public. That’s why they lost seats in the north. The electorate said they weren’t being listened to so voted conservative and guess what’s going to happen again.
I think actually we are a centre left country
Blair showed that this is the casePlease don't tell me you are being serious, if that was the case labour would be in charge haha
Blair showed that this is the case
Corbyn’s Party? Probably not compared to the Nordic states but it’s what the population desire. I think it’s a little left of centre left at the momentMost pro labour supporters on here claim this party still is not hard left. Are you saying otherwise?
I hoped the argument would be over and now Johnson has a huge majority he would just get on with it but it still seems to be dominating the news so I fear we've got many more months / years arguing over it yet.The argument is over, put your drum away now.
The GE was mostly about Brexit, and it’s outcome was overwhelming.
Isn't the percentage who voted for remain and / or 2nd ref parties greater than the percentage who voted for leave?Another one who can't accept a majority result, most people would prefer a clean break brexit
To be fair can't see anything that says leave with no deal either.I’ve looked at it for fucking ages, and I can’t find any reference to “leave with a shitty deal that ties us into the very thing we’re voting to get out of”View attachment 13707
Corbyn’s Party? Probably not compared to the Nordic states but it’s what the population desire. I think it’s a little left of centre left at the moment
To be fair can't see anything that says leave with no deal either.
Boris Johnson said:“If you say ‘can I absolutely guarantee that we’ll get a deal’, I think I can
This is an issue that goes back to before Corbyn became leader. If the polling and research done over the years is to be believed a large number of people don't appear to vote in line with the policies they agree with. Thats not just saying people like Labour policies but won't vote for Corbyn it applies to all parties.Completely deluded, if it was the case the commie would be prime minister
Johnson's an interesting case mind you, as he's made a career of being successful, despite all objective measurements as to his ability suggesting he shouldn't be employed in McDonald's in case he confuses the burger with a bar of soap from the toilets... or something worse.This is an issue that goes back to before Corbyn became leader. If the polling and research done over the years is to be believed a large number of people don't appear to vote in line with the policies they agree with. Thats not just saying people like Labour policies but won't vote for Corbyn it applies to all parties.
I’ve said it before, Johnson got in because he wasn’t Corbyn.Johnson's an interesting case mind you, as he's made a career of being successful, despite all objective measurements as to his ability suggesting he shouldn't be employed in McDonald's in case he confuses the burger with a bar of soap from the toilets... or something worse.
What he could do is sell you the shit burger, tell you it tasted fantastic, and you'd agree.
Despite all the evidence being there, drawing attention to his lies and his contradictions has never had an effect so, what do you do? Just go on your own policy line? That too doesn't really work, as you find your own policy attacked, without any defence being put up on your part.
Interestingly, despite all the controversy that surrounds him, Ken Livingstone made a decent attempt at 2012 in winning back the mayorality. Ken Livingstone! So maybe it comes down to needing a strong personality, and hang the policy! What both Livingstone and Johnson are is anti-establishment of course but then... so's Corbyn! Johnson USP is that he manages the almost unique feat of portraying himself as anti-establishment while being from its very bowels - he gives the reassurance of depth, and the superficial impression of radicalism - that's his appeal. I can't think of others who manage that.
Maybe it does need somebody like Jess Phillips to just shout at Johnson all day!
poor old Swinson, who also wasn't Corbyn.I’ve said it before, Johnson got in because he wasn’t Corbyn.
It didn’t matter what he said or did, or if he did tv interviews or not, the fact that he wasn’t Corbyn was enough to get him his landslide victory.
How pissed off must she be, even Corbyn beat her!poor old Swinson, who also wasn't Corbyn.
It’s only perceived as hard left because of how far right we’ve been dragged.Most pro labour supporters on here claim this party still is not hard left. Are you saying otherwise?
Another one who can't accept a majority result, most people would prefer a clean break brexit
I’ve looked at it for fucking ages, and I can’t find any reference to “leave with a shitty deal that ties us into the very thing we’re voting to get out of”View attachment 13707
Please don't tell me you are being serious, if that was the case labour would be in charge haha
This is an issue that goes back to before Corbyn became leader. If the polling and research done over the years is to be believed a large number of people don't appear to vote in line with the policies they agree with. Thats not just saying people like Labour policies but won't vote for Corbyn it applies to all parties.
Oddly there doesn't seem to any research into why that is the case. I would have thought an obvious follow up when you see people not voting in line with their preferred policies would be to try and find out why.
Just one example. YouGov have released poll results today, of polling done last week, that shows support for nationalisation is growing. This is a Labour policy that was ridiculed during the election campaign.
Public support for nationalisation increased while Jeremy ...https://www.independent.co.uk › News › UK › UK Politics
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Remain is dead dude. Time to move on.
Brexit as an issue isn’t going away soon, but the Remain/Leave fight is over. We lost.
I don’t think nationalisation, in particular the railways, was ridiculed Dave. People, rightly, questioned the need to nationalise everything (rail, water, energy) and give free broadband to all...and then the suggestion it wouldn’t cost the man on the street any more. Even if you believe the labour justifications for nationalisation (and the longer term cost benefit) the short term cost of renationalising whole industries, together with the cost of borrowing/impact on both governments borrowing rates would be huge.
Ps The only real relevant one on the list is rail. Energy companies is the same percentage on the list suggesting there isn’t an increased appetite for their nationalisation. Royal Mail is in a dying sector. Massive pension deficit from memory. Others on list are public owned apart from Telecoms which is only 35% anyway
There’s nothing on there about leaving the customs union and single market either.I’ve looked at it for fucking ages, and I can’t find any reference to “leave with a shitty deal that ties us into the very thing we’re voting to get out of”View attachment 13707
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