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What do you think will happen if we got expelled? With no ground, no income and no league to play in?!
What do you think will happen if we got expelled? With no ground, no income and no league to play in?!Existence!! fuck me who said that, expelled is not the same... well if you want to twist it i suppose it is.
Think not really posting since August until coming on to defend the council with nonsense like that says enough.
You want pressure on all parties to bring them together, the only way you get that on all is to say you can move within the boundaries set... FL can only pressure to SISU if they say Ricoh only, but if they allow a move within the area stated you bring in Wasps due to lose of revenue within stadium and CCC because of city. This way all have to think about the path they pick to go down. You say you want all to have responsibility and pressure applied equally that is the only way all get to know what each will lose.
This is not what i would want but any other decision by the FL allows one or two parties to stay away without pressure. Now where this could be i dont know The club said they have an alternative yesterday. If not then this conversation and this situation doesn't change.
What do you think will happen if we got expelled? With no ground, no income and no league to play in?!
Right up there with the stupidest things I’ve ever read.
What do you think will happen if we got expelled? With no ground, no income and no league to play in?!
It's not even an anti-council message you need, more a 'why CCFC matter, and why they should be supported'.
Now, p[olitically (small p) as soon as the Wasps deal was made, they can't let it fail - that would be seen as failure, and catastrophic for their seats. So, you have to show that their seats are in danger if CCFC fail, make it obvious that the most pragmatic thing to do is to help CCFC succeed, in terms of what the public want. Yes, SISU don't help that message! But it's as much 'how can your local council secure your support?'
But as it stands, Duggins has a point doesn't he? As far as you can see, people don't care. And that's as much because we spend so much time looking for a literal 'what will this change' we forget to do the incremental bits.
I'd be rubbish at campaigning, I'll just do the strategy for your campaign
Here's your moment!I'd be following in my dear old grandad's footsteps then. He was a Coventry Councillor back in the day.
Not yet, thinking up something sinisterTalking about statements has anything been released from SISU yet?
Or bland and meaningless.Not yet, thinking up something sinister
In what way was the council commitment 'woolly'? It's there in black and white, a promise that the deal wouldn't hurt the club.
There is nothing vague in that promise, it clearly was not time limited, and if the Council couldn't deliver it then they shouldn't have promised it when voting on the deal.
They could have insisted on a clause that the club should always be offered a deal on commercial terms, perhaps based on some kind of formula. If for whatever reason Wasps wouldn't take it on that basis, then the council could have declined to sell.
The council should not get a free pass here, they are guilty as both individuals and as an organisation of serial deception. That should never be accepted or tolerated imho.
It’s not black and white. What’s in black and white are the words “subject to a commercial agreement”, which makes it essentially worthless as that’s a subjective opinion. You and I may argue continued rent charges are a commercial agreement even with the legals, Wasps May argue that the legals mean it’s not an agreement that’s commercially viable.
The fact is there was no realistic legal route to ensuring that Wasps would rent to Sisu under any circumstances. The mistake the councillors made was giving that impression in interviews when it wasn’t possible.
But then you’ve got to get on at May for not fixing social problems, or Cameron for not being the greenest government ever, or Blair for privatising education, or, or, or. That’s politics. The punishment is being voted out if you do it too much but history suggests that’s not likely.
So yes, get angry at councillors for giving the wrong impression. But don’t expect it to resolve the current situation.
Again, I’m sorry this isn’t what you want to hear but I won't patronise you.
Talking about statements has anything been released from SISU yet?
No, I didn't say wasps nest, it was far too obvious!They have poked the hornets nest and legged it.
I don't think he is expecting it to fix, maybe just for councillors to get called out on things a bit.
They didn't give that impression by mistake, it was intentional.
Yes. Politicians say all kinds of shit. What matters is how they vote and what passes.
You can’t know intent Nick, you can know facts. The fact is that it wasn’t just two councillors who passed the deal. It was cross party. Making it about one or two interview quotes ignores that fact.
As I say, get angry at politicians for lying, I’m angry that the rain is wet too, just don’t expect anything to come from it.
What this release shows is that the council don’t have a mechanism to force Wasps to do a deal. As I’ve been saying since this all started up again. It’s between Wasps and Sisu to sort a commercial agreement.
That’s not letting the council off the hook, any more than it let’s Richardson, McGinnity, Robinson, Elliot, Ranson, Hoffman, etc, etc, etc off the hook. It’s about focusing anger where it’s useful right now to achieve the aims we want.
I wonder how EFL came up with 6 miles. Tottenham must be 10 miles from Wembley.
Not just flying the flag for Coventry, Eastwood and Duggins both (paid) directors (and sole representatives from Coventry) of West Midlands Growth Ltd quango formed from West Midlands Combined Authority.Looks as if it is the Council and Wasps flying the flag in Cannes
Both appointed on the same day too. There’s a coincidence.Not just flying the flag for Coventry, Eastwood and Duggins both (paid) directors (and sole representatives from Coventry) of West Midlands Growth Ltd quango formed from West Midlands Combined Authority.
This has got to be a wind up. Even Duggins can't be that stupid surely."I am told of a conversation, during a bus journey this morning, between Cllr George Duggins, Leader of Coventry City Council, and a fellow traveller.
Cllr Duggins is alleged to have said the "if SISU win the Court case then the Council will appeal straight away because there is nothing in writing about CCFC entitlement to play at the Ricoh Arena and in any case the matter is nothing to do with the Council although the Council will do what Wasps
want it to do".
Needless to say the fellow traveller was extremely alarmed by the conversation and that Cllr Duggins spoke whilst wearing his Wasps replica
jacket!
The more people dig the worse things look yet there will still be those who come on to desperately defend the council.Not just flying the flag for Coventry, Eastwood and Duggins both (paid) directors (and sole representatives from Coventry) of West Midlands Growth Ltd quango formed from West Midlands Combined Authority.
Hawksbee and Jacobs on talk sport talking cov after 3pm
The desperation to absolve the council of all blame is very strange from some of our fans. This wasn't a bit of spin, presenting the facts a certain way to give the impression you desire. This was an outright lie, repeated multiple times to enable the smooth passage of the sale of the stadium to Wasps doing untold damage to the long term future of the football club in the process.Yes. Politicians say all kinds of shit. What matters is how they vote and what passes.
You can’t know intent Nick, you can know facts. The fact is that it wasn’t just two councillors who passed the deal. It was cross party. Making it about one or two interview quotes ignores that fact.
As I say, get angry at politicians for lying, I’m angry that the rain is wet too, just don’t expect anything to come from it.
What this release shows is that the council don’t have a mechanism to force Wasps to do a deal. As I’ve been saying since this all started up again. It’s between Wasps and Sisu to sort a commercial agreement.
That’s not letting the council off the hook, any more than it let’s Richardson, McGinnity, Robinson, Elliot, Ranson, Hoffman, etc, etc, etc off the hook. It’s about focusing anger where it’s useful right now to achieve the aims we want.
I would love Fisher to be accountable to our fans but there is no way of enforcing that. Simply put he can feed us as much shit as he likes and there is nothing we can do about it. The same doesn't apply to the council.
Is it about Man Utd?Talking to the Editor of the Telegraph...
State control? What on earth are you on about.We can fight for the legal framework to be changed so that people in private enterprise are more harshly punished for doing so, preferably by financial means rather than prison as that will be of greater importance to them. You can make it so they can't hold any form of directorship or board position.
It might be a bit idealistic on my part but it's definitely preferable to your defeatist attitude which if anything suggests we should encourage state control to be able to up the standards? (which I don't think is the way forward)
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