So Hudderfield come visiting next, but that is followed by the 7th, 8th & 9th placed teams vying for a playoff place. Crucial games if we are to improve on mid table and make a late challenge. can we do it? Well they always end up surprising us so I wouldn't count it out.
I find it more fun that way but each to their own.Imagine still thinking of play offs
The squad now is worse than the squad a year ago. Yet again Luton are going to be in a play off hunt, as are Millwall. It really wouldn't take much to make it competitive but as you say here we are again scrambling around for cheap loans.It’s last season all over again for me. Flirt with the play-offs in the first half of the season (which was staggering given our start), although injury problems have been way worse than we encountered in 21/22, squad depth is pitiful and the January window is a carbon copy of last year.
The loss of McFadz and COH has halted our upward trajectory and unless we manage to get some quality in next week then I fear we will get dragged into the mix at the bottom. The lack of investment riles me, our starting XI can mix it with anyone in this league. Again we’ve had the opportunity to kick on by throwing a bit of money at it (not a lot), for half a chance of reaching the promise land, yet here we are filling our squad of loanee kids, 12 months on from the club stating that it was no longer our intention to do so.
Don't waste your money50/1 to be relegated with sky bet big odds?
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Look at the state the squad is in.9pts off the drop, 7 off the playoffs
City fans: Play off hopes are ridiculous we’re obvious going down. Form is temporary, both good and bad.
It's the size of the squad and Robins has said it won't be many coming in.9pts off the drop, 7 off the playoffs
City fans: Play off hopes are ridiculous we’re obvious going down. Form is temporary, both good and bad.
I don't know but we do have some players due back from injury soon.It's the size of the squad and Robins has said it won't be many coming in.
I think we need at least 4 new players and that's not happening is it.
No one on this thread has mentioned relegation except one tongue in cheek post about the odds.9pts off the drop, 7 off the playoffs
City fans: Play off hopes are ridiculous we’re obvious going down. Form is temporary, both good and bad.
The worry is unless Doug ups the budget by a fair chunk for next season, we aren't going to improve. We have a lot out of contract but if we are spending the same on wages and transfer fees we are going to get similar standard of players. The average wage of a championship player is 25k and our highest earners are nowhere near that.
You pay peanuts you get monkeys and it's not like we can reduce the squad size to pay the extra for better players. We are at the bare bones squad size as it is.
Average wages for most clubs will be a lot less than that - club accounts will be released for last season soon - that suggests that total wage bill would be around £45m - millwall have released theirs and it’s less than half that
We’re the third lowest budget IIRC, with an average of about £5k/week and a top end of £10/11k. But we spend about 20% of what Watford do at the other end.
The average is somewhere between the two, £15-20m or so seems a normal annual wage bill for most non recently promoted/relegated teams. Is there any way we could get to that without getting into serious financial trouble?
Our current wage bill will be around £17m
Crazy business model - I can only assume they were relegated that season?they made a £9 million profit on player sales the season before so I assume funded through that
Luton?Crazy business model - I can only assume they were relegated that season?
On first team players?
That’s an average of £13k/week. I seriously doubt it’s that high.
You cannot split players - that spreadsheet Maguire produced was gross wages from Season 1 in the Championship
Ours is over £13m
Since then we have signed:
Gyokeres
Moore
Bidwell
Sheaf
Palmer
Also contract extensions with an increase for Hamer and O Hare
In addition there are annual RPI contract increases over the 2 years on all contracts
Jones, Pask, Biamou, Bakayoko and Marosi have left as well this season as Hyam
I cannot see how that balances at all all. Wages have to have increased considerably with those purchases and it was at £13m before that
What do you mean split players?
even if you expand out squad to include the kids that’s an average of over £8k a week and we’re including the likes of Harrison Nee and Tom Bilson who won’t be on anything like that. Even the Waghorn rumours are shy of £20k.
If we’re spending that on wages (and I’m not saying we aren’t) then it suggests we’ve either got some high non player costs or some players on a ridiculous wage.
Paterson at Swansea was on £9k and threw a fit cos he was the lowest paid in the first team squad. Clearly Championship wages are £10-20k. If we want a squad of 20 of them that’s £15.6m or so before you get to U23s, coaches and the rest.
Short of significantly improved sponsorship and corporate deals, or an owner willing to fund the short fall, I don’t see how we make ourselves sustainable at this level.
I mean when you compare accounts you can only go with gross wages - all clubs accounts show that - I don't think any split it. So Millwall as an example have published this years (ahead of us) and its circa £22m - Ours will be around £17 - £19m as a guess. Preston is £23m
Swansea are in the process I would think of siignificant wage reduction - hence offloading players like Paterson who will not be earning that money where he goes again. Swansea have not produced this seasons accounts but last season it was £27m versus £40m the season before - they have according to transfer market (which is a bit poor) made around £6m on player sales and reduced the squad again so I would expect them to be around £22m gross vs £40m two seasons ago
Im guessing a good chunk of that is the cost of U23/18s, coaches and manager (are they included?) which are likely roughly the same across the board. so once you get past that base cost the rest is first team players. A difference of £5m is 5-10 first team players, which is roughly what we’re short.
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