Next season (Championship) (1 Viewer)

Sky Blue Harry H · Apr 8, 2021

Setting aside which division we are going to be in next season (Championship, obviously!), I was reading an article - Bristol City connected - talking about Championship budgets for next season. Forgetting those relegated from the PL. the author was referring to one of the sides in the top 6 play off places already having set next season's summer transfer budget at £1m, and was suggesting that was likely to be at the higher end of clubs within the division. Obviously a result of the impact of the pandemic on clubs' finances. The reporter stated that Bristol City were soon to release 'awful' financial figures, a lot of their squad are out of contract, and players (generally) have a very low resale value (as clubs can't afford to buy). Interesting times ahead, and a club - like Bristol City - on a downward slide, may be one team that is likely to be suffering next season. Suspect others will be the same - Blackburn, maybe? It will certainly be a different market to usual. Again, may be a good season for clubs coming up from League 1? Sunderland - if they can do it - in particular, with their 20+ year old billionaire?

shmmeee · Apr 8, 2021

That’s a long way to say we’re signing Liam Walsh on a free

Colin Steins Smile · Apr 8, 2021

The financial disparity between clubs in the Championship is huge and inflated by the parachute payments for clubs relegated from the PL.
I noted that the Sunderland owner recently stated that he could spend circa £60M if they got promoted, which given the track record of that club seems a strange statement.
If we are to keep building on recent seasons, it's vital we stay up.
Whilst our cost base is one of the lowest in the championship, which is helpful.....our income streams are also one of the lowest, which makes it imperative that we sell all the 8k season tickets ASAP and hopefully, attract another 2k+ ST sales before August.
I understand that some supporters are hesitant about committing to ST's, due to Covid, the possibility of redundancies post furlough, etc. but the sooner the club secures Championship status and can bank on 10-12k ST holders, then they can adjust their recruitment plans.

matesx · Apr 8, 2021

10-12k STs would seriously impress me.

Sky Blue Harry H · Apr 8, 2021

matesx said:
10-12k STs would seriously impress me.

If and when we confirm we are staying up, I would expect/hope any additional ST expansion beyond 8k to include a short extension of Early Bird offer to entice purchases. If so we might edge towards 10k. Fingers crossed.

AOM · Apr 8, 2021

Sky Blue Harry H said:
If and when we confirm we are staying up, I would expect/hope any additional ST expansion beyond 8k to include a short extension of Early Bird offer to entice purchases. If so we might edge towards 10k. Fingers crossed.

I know a few people who are also waiting to see what next season will look like lockdown-wise too.
I.e. if there will be an initial cap on attendance and if so, how long, etc

clint van damme · Apr 8, 2021

Sky Blue Harry H said:
Setting aside which division we are going to be in next season (Championship, obviously!), I was reading an article - Bristol City connected - talking about Championship budgets for next season. Forgetting those relegated from the PL. the author was referring to one of the sides in the top 6 play off places already having set next season's summer transfer budget at £1m, and was suggesting that was likely to be at the higher end of clubs within the division. Obviously a result of the impact of the pandemic on clubs' finances. The reporter stated that Bristol City were soon to release 'awful' financial figures, a lot of their squad are out of contract, and players (generally) have a very low resale value (as clubs can't afford to buy). Interesting times ahead, and a club - like Bristol City - on a downward slide, may be one team that is likely to be suffering next season. Suspect others will be the same - Blackburn, maybe? It will certainly be a different market to usual. Again, may be a good season for clubs coming up from League 1? Sunderland - if they can do it - in particular, with their 20+ year old billionaire?

According to some on here budgets are irrelevant.

Brighton Sky Blue · Apr 8, 2021

clint van damme said:
According to some on here budgets are irrelevant.

Well when some on here are praising clubs who spend tens of millions more than what they earn I guess there is no such thing as a conventional budget

Magwitch1 · Apr 8, 2021

Reading are currently spending 105% of their income on wages and other running costs are on top and they ain’t alone that can’t go on and I don’t think it will be allowed to, in the summer I reckon there will be a lot of change.

Liquid Gold · Apr 8, 2021

shmmeee said:
That’s a long way to say we’re signing Liam Walsh on a free

I'm at the point now where I'd be surprised if it didn't happen.

Sky Blue Pete · Apr 8, 2021

Liquid Gold said:
I'm at the point now where I'd be surprised if it didn't happen.

Me too

Brighton Sky Blue · Apr 8, 2021

Sky Blue Pete said:
Me too

Bristol C fans divided between his injury issues and letting him do the business for someone else.

Sky Blue Harry H · Apr 8, 2021

Players out of contract will be in high demand, especially with clubs having limited budgets. There is also a move for L1 and L2 clubs to have their squads limited to 20 players (from 25) which will lead to a few players squeezed into lower levels (the PFA are naturally fighting this). Strange times ahead.

Sky Blue Pete · Apr 9, 2021

Sky Blue Harry H said:
Players out of contract will be in high demand, especially with clubs having limited budgets. There is also a move for L1 and L2 clubs to have their squads limited to 20 players (from 25) which will lead to a few players squeezed into lower levels (the PFA are naturally fighting this). Strange times ahead.

Fighting it from an over use and injury stance which I think is appropriate.

SBAndy · Apr 9, 2021

Sky Blue Pete said:
Fighting it from an over use and injury stance which I think is appropriate.

Football - the game that everyone knows needs help yet continually refuses to help itself.

Brighton Sky Blue · Apr 9, 2021

Sky Blue Harry H said:
Players out of contract will be in high demand, especially with clubs having limited budgets. There is also a move for L1 and L2 clubs to have their squads limited to 20 players (from 25) which will lead to a few players squeezed into lower levels (the PFA are naturally fighting this). Strange times ahead.

I’ve long thought there should just be an absolute spending cap and it’s up to the clubs what they do with that.

HuckerbyDublinWhelan · Apr 9, 2021

I’ve already preordered my 2021/22 Walsh shirt

Colin Steins Smile · Apr 9, 2021

HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
I’ve already preordered my 2021/22 Walsh shirt

Let's hope his injury issues are solved by pre-season otherwise we will need to employ more physio's for next season.

Sky Blue Harry H · Apr 9, 2021

Brighton Sky Blue said:
I’ve long thought there should just be an absolute spending cap and it’s up to the clubs what they do with that.

Agree - though you can't expect e.g. Sunderland and Accrington Stanley to operate within the same budgets.

Brighton Sky Blue · Apr 9, 2021

Sky Blue Harry H said:
Agree - though you can't expect e.g. Sunderland and Accrington Stanley to operate within the same budgets.

I wouldn’t be expecting that, just an upper limit to stop teams taking the piss.

Sky Blue Pete · Apr 9, 2021

There’s got to be a solution. I quite like 25 player cap. 20 is too few. The balance between clubs that have a higher turnover and the percentage that can be spent on wages seems more sensible that an outright cap. That too is open to abuse. I think the efl need to professionalise as does the fa. Need some new Jimmy hills willing to try new things for the good of the many not just the top 6

AOM · Apr 9, 2021

HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
I’ve already preordered my 2021/22 Walsh shirt

Didn't realise we could order official Premier League name and numbers yet?

Mcbean · Apr 9, 2021

See Derby have found a chancer to buy their club - guess this one might go through as no dodgy Arabs in the deal

Brighton Sky Blue · Apr 9, 2021

Sky Blue Pete said:
There’s got to be a solution. I quite like 25 player cap. 20 is too few. The balance between clubs that have a higher turnover and the percentage that can be spent on wages seems more sensible that an outright cap. That too is open to abuse. I think the efl need to professionalise as does the fa. Need some new Jimmy hills willing to try new things for the good of the many not just the top 6

My view on that is it then gets subverted by shenanigans like clubs 'selling' their grounds to artificially inflate the budget.

Liquid Gold · Apr 9, 2021

Brighton Sky Blue said:
My view on that is it then gets subverted by shenanigans like clubs 'selling' their grounds to artificially inflate the budget.

There should definitely be a rule bought in that an owner cannot separate the club from the stadium.

shmmeee · Apr 9, 2021

It’s a game and supposed to be entertaining, and I think everyone accepts that means a relatively level playing field.

I’d be happy with a much tighter absolute cap rather than a percentage. Too many loopholes and dodgy dealings that anything else means the status quo.

It also stops one or two clubs skewing the market. Problem is if only you’ve got a cap the best players will just go elsewhere, like tax it needs to be set internationally these days really. And I can’t see that happening.

Sky Blue Pete · Apr 9, 2021

Brighton Sky Blue said:
My view on that is it then gets subverted by shenanigans like clubs 'selling' their grounds to artificially inflate the budget.

I agree but that’s where the professionalism comes in and makes a framework that is fair and reasonable

Sky Blue Harry H · Apr 9, 2021

Mcbean said:
See Derby have found a chancer to buy their club - guess this one might go through as no dodgy Arabs in the deal

No - but (unless my info is wrong) he has some very dodgy right wing political views/links

Mcbean · Apr 9, 2021

Sky Blue Harry H said:
No - but (unless my info is wrong) he has some very dodgy right wing political views/links

Then that’s a tick then probably from the FA as someone who is trustworthy

chiefdave · Apr 9, 2021

shmmeee said:
It’s a game and supposed to be entertaining, and I think everyone accepts that means a relatively level playing field.

I’d be happy with a much tighter absolute cap rather than a percentage. Too many loopholes and dodgy dealings that anything else means the status quo.

It also stops one or two clubs skewing the market. Problem is if only you’ve got a cap the best players will just go elsewhere, like tax it needs to be set internationally these days really. And I can’t see that happening.

I find as the lack of parity increases my interest in the sport overall decreases. Used to consume as much football as I could. Now I watch maybe one or two PL games a week (and that's because I visit my parents on Sundays and stick it on for my Dad), can't remember the last Champions League game I watched and watch England more out of a feeling of obligation than any enjoyment.

What's the endgame here? I don't see the fun in just trying to avoid relegation every season but without someone being prepared to chuck away tens of millions the chance of progress is slim. And even if we did find that person and got into the Premier League what then, try and keep the likes of Man City from hitting double figures when we get annihilated by them?

I watch a lot of ice hockey and you can of course still have good and bad owners but a cap, along with a floor (ie: a minimum mouth that has to be spent every season), generally means you're somewhere on the cycle of rebuild with a young team > improving > play offs > challenging for the cup > declining > blow it up ahead of a rebuild. You know that you're never more than a few years away from your team having a genuine chance of success.

Liquid Gold · Apr 9, 2021

chiefdave said:
I find as the lack of parity increases my interest in the sport overall decreases. Used to consume as much football as I could. Now I watch maybe one or two PL games a week (and that's because I visit my parents on Sundays and stick it on for my Dad), can't remember the last Champions League game I watched and watch England more out of a feeling of obligation than any enjoyment.

What's the endgame here? I don't see the fun in just trying to avoid relegation every season but without someone being prepared to chuck away tens of millions the chance of progress is slim. And even if we did find that person and got into the Premier League what then, try and keep the likes of Man City from hitting double figures when we get annihilated by them?

I watch a lot of ice hockey and you can of course still have good and bad owners but a cap, along with a floor (ie: a minimum mouth that has to be spent every season), generally means you're somewhere on the cycle of rebuild with a young team > improving > play offs > challenging for the cup > declining > blow it up ahead of a rebuild. You know that you're never more than a few years away from your team having a genuine chance of success.

I’m the same as you. Don’t think I’ve watched a PL game or match of the day once this season. Much prefer NFL these days.

Still watch England games but without city and the emotional attachment and ritual of going to games I think I’d have chucked football in.

Frostie · Apr 9, 2021

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Bristol C fans divided between his injury issues and letting him do the business for someone else.

Confirmed as out injured (again) for the rest of the season.

Brighton Sky Blue · Apr 9, 2021

Frostie said:
Confirmed as out injured (again) for the rest of the season.

Fair number of their fans laying a lot of blame at their medical team

Sky Blue Pete · Apr 9, 2021

What’s the injury? P

Frostie · Apr 9, 2021

Sky Blue Pete said:
What’s the injury? P

Hamstring.
Played a grand total of 124 minutes all season.

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