italiahorse
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Your easily confused. Perhaps why nobody understands your stance on this Trust issue.
So ACL are responsible for pot holes in roads??
No wonder they were struggling...
Twist it how you want if it makes you feel good you k ow that is not what I meant.
Your easily confused. Perhaps why nobody understands your stance on this Trust issue.
There's only one person confused here.We got a statement condemning the sale of Roman Vincelot.
We didn't get a statement condemning the arrival of Wasps.
And you wonder why people are confused by what they stand for??
Exactly there have been various anti everyone protests and they were shot down as stupid and irrelivant by the same posters who are still knocking them,
They can't win in this thankless task.
NO.You never make what you mean explicitly clear - just dance around the subject without addressing the point at hand.
So try this one: Do you feel the Trust should come out and condemn the Wasps move?
Yes or No is all I'm after.
Says who?But condemning the Wasp move will do absolutely nothing.
It will show CCFC fans that the Trust is not in the pocket of Wasps. It will unite fans far more than any other action will.
I've protested against wasps had a go at Lucas at the jh memorial,ACL at the Ricoh I've asked people to join me and these were two of the most voiciferous anti ACL people guess what like most demonstrations there were five or six of us.I don't know exactly - but my point all along is that the Trust could co-ordinate protests against SISU, CCC, Wasps, CSF and everyone. But in order to maximise their effectiveness they need to clarify their stance. And IMO it has to be a condemnation of the Wasps move.
You might not believe it but I want the Trust to be successful. But I think it's needs to reaffirm its position.
Says who?
we now have a new opportunity and that is to put pressure on wasps the council CSF and obviously the club to enter meaningfull discussions re the academy and the ground with independent witnesses and let's see what happens.
How would it affect his personal interests ?Plenty of people understand it - you are not interested in it as affects your own personal interests.
I've protested against wasps had a go at Lucas at the jh memorial,ACL at the Ricoh I've asked people to join me and these were two of the most voiciferous anti ACL people guess what like most demonstrations there were five or six of us.
Now as for a statement what do you want it to say? The time for condemnation of the wasps move has gone we as fans missed our opportunity,however we now have a new opportunity and that is to put pressure on wasps the council CSF and obviously the club to enter meaningfull discussions re the academy and the ground with independent witnesses and let's see what happens. And no I'm not advocating that the trust attend
As have you.You've demonstrated clearly where you stand. I will respectfully end our discussion at this point.
I think we disagree on the credibility I think we would have less. As for the club being willing to engage in discissions that's after they have apparantly dropped their conditions at least in respect to the academy. The ground is another issue we can apply pressure once the academy is sorted outI want it to says that the Trusts position on moving a sporting club from its home is wrong and that it condemns it.
It's not going to change what has happened you are right - but it establishes clearly the principles of said organisation.
It would also mean that future pressure on CSF, Wasps, CCC and SISU will be infinitely more credible. Let's also be clear that at this stage the club has said it is willing to engage in discussions - others are putting conditions in the way.
I think we disagree on the credibility I think we would have less. As for the club being willing to engage in discissions that's after they have apparantly dropped their conditions at least in respect to the academy. The ground is another issue we can apply pressure once the academy is sorted out
Hang on a minute LAST, the trust is supposed to be a voice for sky blue fans right? So why do they no longer canvass for the general concerns or opinions of the fanbase? Why do they not forward info from meetings etc on a regular basis? They should represent the values and veiws of the general fanbase not just the veiws of the listed trust membership, until they fully resolve that problem they are just some meaningless skyblue named limited members club to me and I would suggest most other sky blue fansTalking of heads up arses.
Again I ask why are you and others on about the trust on this thread?Hang on a minute LAST, the trust is supposed to be a voice for sky blue fans right? So why do they no longer canvass for the general concerns or opinions of the fanbase? Why do they not forward info from meetings etc on a regular basis? They should represent the values and veiws of the general fanbase not just the veiws of the listed trust membership, until they fully resolve that problem they are just some meaningless skyblue named limited members club to me and I would suggest most other sky blue fans
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I want it to says that the Trusts position on moving a sporting club from its home is wrong and that it condemns it.
It's not going to change what has happened you are right - but it establishes clearly the principles of said organisation.
It would also mean that future pressure on CSF, Wasps, CCC and SISU will be infinitely more credible. Let's also be clear that at this stage the club has said it is willing to engage in discussions - others are putting conditions in the way.
Probably because the trust are supposed to represent the entire fanbase and therefore act on the worries desires hopes of that fine supportive body of people, to be honest they fail to even know how we feel about our clubs plight never mind about arranging to assess the opinion of the whole fanbase and then mediating with whosoever it may be to improve our positionAgain I ask why are you and others on about the trust on this thread?
There comes a point where we just look silly and have no impact. Sisu ain't going anywhere, they couldn't give a shit about a protest. Better IMO to keep your powder dry for any event that might come up that would get a decent following and have the chance of a specific outcome.
But we should make them unwelcome here.
Nobody likes to be where they are not liked.
TF and CA should be cold shouldered in the stand on match days and if you do talk to them tell exactly how you feel.
One day they might do the right thing and leave.
But we should make them unwelcome here.
Nobody likes to be where they are not liked.
TF and CA should be cold shouldered in the stand on match days and if you do talk to them tell exactly how you feel.
One day they might do the right thing and leave.
Are you deliberately missing the point this was a thread regarding a SISU out protest which the trust had nothing to do with . Now if you want to talk about the trust and what they should or shouldn't be doing then start a thread on that. While you're st it start other threads on what the club,wasps,CSF,Higgs and CCC should be doing or not oh and don't forget to start a thread on what you personally should be doing. Or is your role " supporting the team" I'll leave everything else to others? As for mediating they've tried but when certain factions undermine their efforts I would say that's a hard job.Probably because the trust are supposed to represent the entire fanbase and therefore act on the worries desires hopes of that fine supportive body of people, to be honest they fail to even know how we feel about our clubs plight never mind about arranging to assess the opinion of the whole fanbase and then mediating with whosoever it may be to improve our position
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What about Mark Venus?
If only you were interested in making Wasps feel unwelcome as well as SISU.
That's gone, they've outmaneuvered us.
I've accepted it and moved on as nothing I can do will change that.
I do think fans are voting with their feet though as shown with 9,000 fans on Tuesday night.
It's death by a thousand small cuts and some people still think it will improve.
Nothing will change until they go and that may mean administration at least or liquidation at worst.
They are addressing the majority view.Hang on a minute LAST, the trust is supposed to be a voice for sky blue fans right? So why do they no longer canvass for the general concerns or opinions of the fanbase? Why do they not forward info from meetings etc on a regular basis? They should represent the values and veiws of the general fanbase not just the veiws of the listed trust membership, until they fully resolve that problem they are just some meaningless skyblue named limited members club to me and I would suggest most other sky blue fans
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They are addressing the majority view.
This site has how many posters of those posters how many are calling for the things Ian is asking for.
I say it is less then 1% of the City fan base.
I go to nearly every game talk to numerous fans most don't even care a toss about Wasps while others attend wasps games.
As for the members of the Trust they should be the first ones that are accommodated.
The SCG also are supposed to represent the fan base, how many times have any of those who are supposed to represent various areas ever asked for or put fans questions to the board?
Well the answer may suprise you NONE.
The only ones who have asked if you want quesions putting forward are the Trust.
Funny how the same people who slag off the Trust never have a bad word for the SCG.
Wonder why that is?
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