Non league gems (1 Viewer)

[steve82]

We've all heard about Jamie vardys rise through the leagues from pyramid football Charlie Austin and Chris Smalling to name a few to gone to the top of the game, but there is some good players down in non league football.
Millwalls top goal scorer Lee Gregory was signed from Halifax after scoring 29 in the conference.
Bradfords James Hanson signed from guiseley not a prolific goal scorer but a great target man still managed to score 70 goals in over 300 apps.
Peterborough, they are well known to sauce the best talent from pyramid football, the captain Michael bostwick is a very good effective strong defender, he fell down the leagues and had to come back via ebbsfleet and Stevenage. Attacking midfielder Marcus Maddison, from Gateshead. Connor Washington sold to QPR in January. Over the years they've had success of a few other also Dwight Gayle, Craig mackail-smith, Lee Tomlin and Arron Maclean. All committed well to Peterborough's success over the last decade.
Really think ccfc should look at some of the lesser known players in non league football, look at the success we've had with Chris stokes. Players that have fallen away from professional clubs but have the heart, fight and belief they will come back stronger to have a career in the game.
Sure some won't pay off and cope with the step up but a good few will and have more commitment and fight than a few spoilt players who are highly thought of by there agents and academy's.

 

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[torchomatic]

Has anyone ever mentioned Stuart Pearce? We got him from Non League, you know...

 

[torchomatic]

What about Posh and those two players from Nuneaton? They were right under our noses FFS.

 

[steve82]

Williams a target man I think too, was the other a keeper?

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[torchomatic]

I don't know, to be honest. Just moaning about it. I knew one was Williams and he played against us. Not sure who the other one was. Posh do it year after year though, don't they?

Williams a target man I think too, was the other a keeper?

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[skybluegod]

You use Peterborough as an example, yet they run their club by finding and selling these players, and while they provide short term success I agree, as soon as they are sold they have to start all overnight again. The money isn't reinvested in just player arrivals, they use it to run the whole club.
While I agree we need to look a thing non-league talent, it won't matter at all unless we keep hold of any gems we find, or reinvest the money we get from selling them? High under SISU it just won't happen

 

[Nick]

You use Peterborough as an example, yet they run their club by finding and selling these players, and while they provide short term success I agree, as soon as they are sold they have to start all overnight again. The money isn't reinvested in just player arrivals, they use it to run the whole club.
While I agree we need to look a thing non-league talent, it won't matter at all unless we keep hold of any gems we find, or reinvest the money we get from selling them? High under SISU it just won't happen

So if they bought players to sell on for profit to run the club, it's just like Peterborough and not just SISU being one off greedy bastards?

 

[SkyBlueZack]

Do Peterborough have any debt? I'm guessing they have lower attendances than we do? Do you not believe in clubs being self sustainable?

 

[Covstu]

Do Peterborough have any debt? I'm guessing they have lower attendances than we do? Do you not believe in clubs being self sustainable?

The Peterboro chairman was on talksport a few months back prior to their big cup game. He said they have to sell one or two top players a season to keep going, that's life in the division. They then pick up a few 'gems' from non league and try and make them the next assets to sell.

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

Was it Malcom Christie from Nuneaton as well, Ben Foster from Racing Club Warwick

 

[torchomatic]

Well, don't we do the same? Player sales (Wilson, Maddison, etc) will help to run the club. We have very little other income, remember. However, Posh FIND players in lower leagues to make their money. They don't have to invest 7/8 years bringing a player through the ranks, they just, well find them. That's what I want us to do.

As for keeping players...not many clubs in our leagues do.

You use Peterborough as an example, yet they run their club by finding and selling these players, and while they provide short term success I agree, as soon as they are sold they have to start all overnight again. The money isn't reinvested in just player arrivals, they use it to run the whole club.
While I agree we need to look a thing non-league talent, it won't matter at all unless we keep hold of any gems we find, or reinvest the money we get from selling them? High under SISU it just won't happen

 

[steve82]

I believe a few time Peterborough have gone close to going out of business, they are a small club I'd say but have the luck of a steady footballing owner run along side the assistance of Barry fry.
They have come up with a good model to run a stable football club that has enjoyed much success along the way albeit a yo yo club. More that what we've had anyway. Seen some exciting players come through there club and exciting football and made over £20 million along the way.
Why could we not do the same to boost our chances of being more sustainable? Surly its all about looking down every revenue avenue.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...ight-players-Southampton-Football-League.html

 

[Nick]

I believe a few time Peterborough have gone close to going out of business, they are a small club I'd say but have the luck of a steady footballing owner run along side the assistance of Barry fry.
They have come up with a good model to run a stable football club that has enjoyed much success along the way albeit a yo yo club. More that what we've had anyway. Seen some exciting players come through there club and exciting football and made over £20 million along the way.
Why could we not do the same to boost our chances of being more sustainable? Surly its all about looking down every revenue avenue.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...ight-players-Southampton-Football-League.html

Because they do it and get applauded, we sell James Maddison and Callum Wilson and it is like they have just been to a fan's house and shit on their gran.

Imagine if we buy Jones in the summer then sell him in January for a few million profit?

 

[torchomatic]

Yes, like a lot of things it's fine if another club does something, just not us.

Because they do it and get applauded, we sell James Maddison and Callum Wilson and it is like they have just been to a fan's house and shit on their gran.

 

[SkyBlueZack]

I'm all for it. I believe clubs should live within their means. We have a good academy system. Hopefully we now have a scouting system that will allow us to secure unknown talent we can use to progress both on and off the field. There is a lot of local talent out there as people have alluded too. Peter Whittingham is from Nuneaton also. Jamie Paterson slipped through the radar. As well as non league gems there have also been a few 'stars' pinched from Ireland, Kevin Doyle springs to mind. As you say Steve if it increases our income it can only be a good thing.

 

[Nick]

The Peterboro chairman was on talksport a few months back prior to their big cup game. He said they have to sell one or two top players a season to keep going, that's life in the division. They then pick up a few 'gems' from non league and try and make them the next assets to sell.

He must be lying, it is only us that do this so SISU can pocket the money for laywers!

 

[SkyBlueZack]

Because they do it and get applauded, we sell James Maddison and Callum Wilson and it is like they have just been to a fan's house and shit on their gran.

Imagine if we buy Jones in the summer then sell him in January for a few million profit?

Yeah but if we had waited until the summer we could have sold him for a few hundred million more

 

[torchomatic]

Don't forget the fourteen trillion they charge the club in management fees.

He must be lying, it is only us that do this so SISU can pocket the money for laywers!

 

[steve82]

The reality of it all is were a league one club with limited revenue streams we've a academy that produces a few million every couple of seasons, yes we're selling our best assets but we're not in receipt of mega money tv deals and lucrative sponsorship deals. We're relying on a hardcore fan base to sustain the club and a few academy hopefuls.
This is our status, is not great but we are where we are. So let's stretch to look down the leagues and find success to build from there also. In time we become more healthy, sustainable, and competitive through being that selling club.
Like the Phoenix we need to rebuild from the ground!

 

[torchomatic]

In the 80's I remember us getting this left back from Wealdstone...

The reality of it all is were a league one club with limited revenue streams we've a academy that produces a few million every couple of seasons, yes we're selling our best assets but we're not in receipt of mega money tv deals and lucrative sponsorship deals. We're relying on a hardcore fan base to sustain the club and a few academy hopefuls.
This is our status, is not great but we're we are. So let's stretch to look down the leagues and find success to build from there also. In time we become more healthy, sustainable, and competitive through being that selling club.
Like the Phoenix we need to rebuild from the ground!

 

[torchomatic]

Totally agree. And on the cheap!

Like the Phoenix we need to rebuild from the ground!

 

[Nick]

The reality of it all is were a league one club with limited revenue streams we've a academy that produces a few million every couple of seasons, yes we're selling our best assets but we're not in receipt of mega money tv deals and lucrative sponsorship deals. We're relying on a hardcore fan base to sustain the club and a few academy hopefuls.
This is our status, is not great but we are where we are. So let's stretch to look down the leagues and find success to build from there also. In time we become more healthy, sustainable, and competitive through being that selling club.
Like the Phoenix we need to rebuild from the ground!

I'd be happy with that, self sustaining.

For example if we sold Chris Stokes for decent money then it would be good business.

I don't think most fans including local media would accept that though. People seem to just want millions pumped in over and over again.

 

[skybluegod]

I agree with it completely like it is a good model, and while yes other clubs do it with success I don't want to be other clubs. With our current owners I think it could possibly be the only chance for some small success. Would rather do that and stay in business, than spend what we don't have and go bust for one promotion.
But for me I don't want short term success. The aim always has to be the premier league. Which isn't achievable through this model. In order to achieve what's not been done, we have to do something that other clubs aren't doing.
But I reiterate that's not going to happen with current owners

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[steve82]

I'd be happy with that, self sustaining.

For example if we sold Chris Stokes for decent money then it would be good business.

I don't think most fans including local media would accept that though. People seem to just want millions pumped in over and over again.

Sadly your right.... The reluctance to believe we're just another league one team now is crazy. We're heading into our 5th year of being in this league, sheff Utd are going into there 6th I think. It's not easy to buy that success, elements of luck are required.
On stokes, he was a gem of a find, TM didn't no much on him so gave a sensible contract.... On JJ he's offering a 4 year deal as the home works been done. I'm sure stokes will now be offered better terms in the next set of negotiations to look after us as a club.
Success can be built upon buying and selling as not many Arabs, Thai owners will pump into us. Foundations need building and time it will take

 

[skybluetony176]

Was it Malcom Christie from Nuneaton as well, Ben Foster from Racing Club Warwick

Malcolm Christie was from Nuneaton. Strachan didn't fancy him apparently. The story I heard was he turned up at a Nuneaton game with Mrs Strachan watched the first 10 minutes, got up and declaired that there was nothing him for him to see and left. Pub talk so could be a load of old tosh but that was what I was told.

Isn't Ben Foster a life long Cov fan also? Again Pub talk so could be a load of old tosh.

We haven't done that badly of late though, Stokes was a real find and Jones looks a good find also from what I've seen.

 

[skybluegod]

Malcolm Christie was from Nuneaton. Strachan didn't fancy him apparently. The story I heard was he turned up at a Nuneaton game with Mrs Strachan watched the first 10 minutes, got up and declaired that there was nothing him for him to see and left. Pub talk so could be a load of old tosh but that was what I was told.

Isn't Ben Foster a life long Cov fan also? Again Pub talk so could be a load of old tosh.

We haven't done that badly of late though, Stokes was a real find and Jones looks a good find also from what I've seen.

If you mean the west brom keeper? No he's not he's a Manchester united fan if I remember correctly, as I used to know his girlfriend.

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[steve82]

There is no reason this model wont work run along side our existing academy.
Our academy divides options on its success rate to me if its self sustaining and we produce the odd Callum Wilson, James Maddison along the way then great. We've had players from the academy impact on the first team, some a great success some mediocre, others poor. Mixed success tho we've made profit on the better ones who have excelled and outgrown the club.
Run that alongside developed non league gems and with a few sold non league gems we've developed a nice healthy bank balance and budget to work with.
Our rise can then start to happen, would take 2-4 seasons to develop but I don't see many other viable ways of being sustainable and competitive with our current revenue streams.

 

[steve82]

According to this newspaper piece were watching/watched a few. Let's hope so
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...d-follow-Jamie-Vardy-into-Premier-League.html
Stefan Payne scored 18 in 40 and available for free

 

[SkyBlueZack]

Did Nti play in the Worcester team that beat us? If he did, anyone remember anything about him? Seen Stefan Payne, models himself on Henry. If he's a quarter as good, he'd be a great signing.

 

[Nick]

Did Nti play in the Worcester team that beat us? If he did, anyone remember anything about him? Seen Stefan Payne, models himself on Henry. If he's a quarter as good, he'd be a great signing.

Yeah, Lee Burge kicked him

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/29907400

 

[SkyBlueZack]

Reading through the thing that comes across most is the appetite to continue learning and improving their game. Refreshing to see. I'd happily take all of them on trial and take it from there. They all seem to have something to offer, goals, physicality, pace, skills.

 

[steve82]

Yeah, Lee Burge kicked him

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/29907400

Well remembered!!
It seems Peterborough used Shaun Jeffers as part of the deal to get Connor Washington.
http://thefootballforecast.com/2016/03/16/peterborough-united-route-to-the-top/
Nuneaton players were Aaron Williams scored 2in 7 and Callum chettle both on 2 year deals.

 

[ajsccfc]

I'm more than happy with the idea of looking down the ladder for potential. As much as I've lolled at Chris Stokes' non-league first touch at times he's been a bit of a revelation, more of that kind of thing would do me.

 

[Covstu]

I think this is fine as long as when we do sell that we have a contingency in place i.e. someone who we can swoop for or a young'un there to fill the spot. In the past we have sold a player up with little thought of who is going to play there the following week!

 

[rupert_bear]

We have done well with non league players over the years. Way back in the Jimmy Hill days Ernie Machin, John Tudor and Willie Carr all went on to be top division stars, then later we had Sean Flynn, Lee Hurst, the centre half one, Paul Furlong, Andy Williams, David Busst, Chris Stokes and of course Stuart Pearce all played top level. We apparently now have a proper scouting network now so perhaps we will unearth more, they are diffinitely there to find.