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Voice_of_Reason · Dec 10, 2013

When I first started watching CCFC in 1952 footballers were paid the same wage as the ordinary working man - I had a pal living in Wren Street and can remember some of the first-team turning up on their bikes. As equals, they had the respect of the ordinary working man. Then look what happened... the minimum wage was abolished (thanks to JH) which has resulted in footballers being paid in one week what some might take years to earn.

I can no longer respect today's players. Yes, I can admire their ability and skills, but that is all. With the situation at Sixfields and CCFC and living close to Cheltenham I can watch Div 2 players earning a fraction of what players in a higher division earn, but even Div 2 players are on wages far above those of a working man.

The old days will never return, but sometimes I look back and just wish .......

smouch1975 · Dec 10, 2013

You'll struggle to get a bad word about JH around here. In the photo below. His signature was for a £25,000,000 pay day. 1971. It's really hard to get any info on??

The Gentleman · Dec 10, 2013

Most of my family are from South Yorkshire and in particular, mining villages around Doncaster and my grandad played professional football for Scunthorpe and another couple of teams in the region and he always reminded me when I spoke of modern footballers that he used to work down the pit before training and sometimes went back down after to earn a decent wage to put food on the table. Modern football is nothing like it used to be and to be honest it never will be. It is nice to look back at the way it used to be from a decent man and honest profession angle but it is too hung up on money and what can be made as a result. I did used to love the stories my grandad used to tell me though, god rest his soul, used to be in stitches with some of them

Sutty · Dec 11, 2013

Actually, the average wage in league 2 is around £38,500 per year, so not that much higher than the average wage nationally.

hill83 · Dec 11, 2013

Nostalgia, it's not what it used to be.

Sky Blue Kid · Dec 11, 2013

Sutty......Actually, the average wage in league 2 is around £38,500 per year, so not that much higher than the average wage nationally................................................................................................................................................Not having a go here but. How many people do you know that are on the "National Average wage"?

blueflint · Dec 11, 2013

Sky Blue Kid said:
Sutty......Actually, the average wage in league 2 is around £38,500 per year, so not that much higher than the average wage nationally................................................................................................................................................Not having a go here but. How many people do you know that are on the "National Average wage"?

not me m8 i started watching city 1953 and lived on king richard st we were friends with the players as we grew up used to get in for free if not by ticket by sneaking in old days but good days.people were well mannered had time to speak to us kids
and we felt perfectly safe.used to store the pushbikes on match days for pocket money fill the front garden then go watch game always left early tho to give the bikes back

Sky Blue Kid · Dec 11, 2013

I used to go and see my Nan on Berry Street, then walk up through the park to the West End with my Dad. There was(Don't know if it's still there) a picture on CCFC webby with me and my dad sat behing the goal line at the West End on that glorious day we beat Wolves 3-1 and won promotion to the first division..Happy days

ajsccfc · Dec 11, 2013

D'you know what used to be good? Everything. Not like now where it's all rubbish. You could get change from a piece of dirt and still own a whippet farm down t'pit Churchill jumpers for goalposts.

Ashdown1 · Dec 11, 2013

Some things were a lot worse, like healthcare and pollution in the Cities and World Wars....................Football days out and the pubs and clubs were infinitely better though than todays tepid lame experience !

mrtrench · Dec 11, 2013

Sky Blue Kid said:
Sutty......Actually, the average wage in league 2 is around £38,500 per year, so not that much higher than the average wage nationally................................................................................................................................................Not having a go here but. How many people do you know that are on the "National Average wage"?

I predict that we all know some people who earn an awful lot more than that. Your GP for example, your dentist, the bloke you know from school who got straight As at A level... For sure, there are probably fewer than half of all people who earn more than the mean average - but that's only because some of them earn an awful lot.

covcity4life · Dec 11, 2013

if cov were in the prem there would be no threads about football being better back in the day me thinks....

Covstu · Dec 11, 2013

Ashdown1 said:
Some things were a lot worse, like healthcare and pollution in the Cities and World Wars....................Football days out and the pubs and clubs were infinitely better though than todays tepid lame experience !

however it is now safe for families to go to the football unlike the good ol days...

Covstu · Dec 11, 2013

Voice_of_Reason said:
When I first started watching CCFC in 1952 footballers were paid the same wage as the ordinary working man - I had a pal living in Wren Street and can remember some of the first-team turning up on their bikes. As equals, they had the respect of the ordinary working man. Then look what happened... the minimum wage was abolished (thanks to JH) which has resulted in footballers being paid in one week what some might take years to earn.

I can no longer respect today's players. Yes, I can admire their ability and skills, but that is all. With the situation at Sixfields and CCFC and living close to Cheltenham I can watch Div 2 players earning a fraction of what players in a higher division earn, but even Div 2 players are on wages far above those of a working man.

The old days will never return, but sometimes I look back and just wish .......

supply and demand really, as long as people still pay to go and also pay to watch on TV they will always be paid high wages. Same with movie stars etc, just fact of life.

jimmyhillsfanclub · Dec 11, 2013

pay to watch on TV

That's the key difference Covstu....

Pay-to-view football....

Even in the late 1980's & very early 1990's...wages were high, but not stupidly so & were still just about in line with other high-earning professionals..

...Don't quote me, but I seem to remember from reading "a tenner & a box of kippers" that Houchens TOTAL income for the tax year 1987-88 was just under £100K......that's TOTAL....salary, bonuses, sponsorship etc.

Its indisputable that SKY fucked football....

Covstu · Dec 11, 2013

Totally agree and they have made it what it is today. The only way to limit this is to introduce and universal wage cap accross football which just wont happen.

I was reading about BT's intrusion into the football world and it could actually put Sky out of business if they manage to take a large enough share of the premier league from Sky. Hard to believe given the pure size of the organisation but that could have a massive impact on our game.

Rusty Trombone · Dec 11, 2013

jimmyhillsfanclub said:
That's the key difference Covstu....

Pay-to-view football....

Even in the late 1980's & very early 1990's...wages were high, but not stupidly so & were still just about in line with other high-earning professionals..

...Don't quote me, but I seem to remember from reading "a tenner & a box of kippers" that Houchens TOTAL income for the tax year 1987-88 was just under £100K......that's TOTAL....salary, bonuses, sponsorship etc.

Its indisputable that SKY fucked football....

I agree. I was working in a local bank in the late 80's early 90's, and City players would come in from time to time to do their business (I don't mean to do a poo), which gave me a great chance to look at their earnings. They were mostly on about £50k a year, I thought that was a lot at the time, but thinking back you can see why they all needed a 'proper' job when they retired.

I have no real desire to see City play in the Premiership as it currently is, as I am not fond of watching foreign millionaires kicking a ball around.

Covstu · Dec 11, 2013

i would love to see city back there personally!!

CCFCChadders · Dec 11, 2013

Some of the younger fans have only seen coventry go from bad to worse, so far iv seen us get relegated twice, points deducted administration etc. the best achievement for me was beating Man U reserves but still no silverware or even league play offs. Most seasons we have been fighting relegation. At least some people were alive for 87 and to see football when it was less money driven.

jimmyhillsfanclub · Dec 11, 2013

CCFCChadders said:
Some of the younger fans have only seen coventry go from bad to worse, so far iv seen us get relegated twice, points deducted administration etc. the best achievement for me was beating Man U reserves but still no silverware or even league play offs. Most seasons we have been fighting relegation. At least some people were alive for 87 and to see football when it was less money driven.

Its a tough one for the youngsters....

...but, IF CCFC survive all this SISU/ACL shit....you'll be rewarded, not necessarily with a glorious victorious team bringing home cups & championships, but with that warm inner glow that you know you've been true....that you are a REAL supporter of a real team.....not some glory hunting tosser for who any victory probably feels quite cheap & hollow if they ever grew the balls to admit it...

It could be worse....some English teams have never won anything.....City may never win anything again, but stay true to the sky blues & that loyalty & life-long bond will bring its own rewards. PUSB.

CCFCChadders · Dec 11, 2013

Your right in that it could be a lot worse, still hopefull we can find a way out of this mess and if we can keep churning out the away attendences we are then there's still a decent Saturday with coventry!

Spionkop · Dec 11, 2013

Ashdown, yeah I (we) really miss those good old days of fences around pitches, the monkey chants, empty grounds because of the morons who made football a train wreck. Happy times.

Ashdown1 · Dec 11, 2013

Steady on, I was referring to the 50's, 60's and some of the 70's before things got out of hand with supporters.

really! · Dec 11, 2013

jimmyhillsfanclub said:
That's the key difference Covstu....

Pay-to-view football....

Even in the late 1980's & very early 1990's...wages were high, but not stupidly so & were still just about in line with other high-earning professionals..

...Don't quote me, but I seem to remember from reading "a tenner & a box of kippers" that Houchens TOTAL income for the tax year 1987-88 was just under £100K......that's TOTAL....salary, bonuses, sponsorship etc.

Its indisputable that SKY fucked football....

if you read it properly it was under £20k

Spionkop · Dec 11, 2013

Ashdown, sorry, my apologies.

blueflint · Dec 11, 2013

Sky Blue Kid said:
I used to go and see my Nan on Berry Street, then walk up through the park to the West End with my Dad. There was(Don't know if it's still there) a picture on CCFC webby with me and my dad sat behing the goal line at the West End on that glorious day we beat Wolves 3-1 and won promotion to the first division..Happy days

was there opposite the spoin kop watching also remember carlisle game when alan ross carlisle goalie laid booby gould out and got sent off

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