shmmeee
Well-Known Member
Harping back to a couple of missed transfers per season isn’t an excuse though. That level of wastage is actually pretty standard and should be costed in.
Yes, as KSB said Da Costa and Hilssner were signed as first team players and disregarded almost straight away, that would be two other options..
Doesn't really help when you have a manager watch players barely able to walk and refuses to take them off. I'm sure Dabo would have been back sooner if Robin's hadn't stood and watched him against Derby and did something reactive.
Often wonder about the medical side of stuff, the use of the U23 and everything else.
Didn’t Luton have about the same? And we had two unfit players on the bench, and another two or three on the pitch.
Take them off for who though, that’s the problem. Unless you’re advocating chucking U23s in who are miles off.
I'm not sure. But they have a bigger squad than us.
Just don't think it's fair to say we don't have many injuries or to act surprised that 7 injuries would affect the quality of our bench.
they don’t have a bigger squad or a bigger wage bill
2 More players in the squad apparently.
No idea about wage bill.
I don't know about wage bill, but they have a bigger squad however you want to define squad.
does that include hillsner jobello and Da Costa?
No because they aren't in our squad?
weeman found it funny
Funnily enough, when he eventually caved and took OHare off we got an equaliser.
It isn't always about like for like subs, he could have altered the system a bit. Dabo physically couldn't walk either, 1-0 up. Bring him off and go flat back 4 with JCS at left back. If Josh Reid is nowhere near good enough, why are we paying a fee for him after he had a season in the SPL?
I found it funny because of how you try and convey things to suit a weak arguement - that I'm not really questioning (but I'll get to that in a minute).
Madison and Macallum were established 1st team players when sold. 16 games is a 1/3 of a season - it wasn't as if he was a 50/50 project and we sold him after 3 games as we weren't sure on him. Others on here have pointed out a number of players that have been sold to help with the running costs of the club.
You then said - 'You say money goes into club costs - er I think you’ll find that the money is partly used to support an investment portfolio'. If money is 'partly used to support an investment portfolio', where does the rest of it go?? It doesn't all go towards an investment portfolio/joys handbags, does it.
It's like you think the club is run on magic beans.
No one disagrees with the fact that the owners take money out of the club - as harsh as it sounds, they're entitled to do so. Do I think that makes them great custodians of our club? No.
The fact remains that the selling of your better players is a totally natural process within football, not restricted solely to Coventry City FC. The funds from said sales go into keeping a club running as costs aren't paid for with your magic beans.
I don't doubt they take money out. And I do believe that we could spend more on player retention, player recruitment, Ryton etc if they took less. I don't like it but that's the way it is.
Player sales will continue to happen - even if we had an amazing owner who took nothing out that they were owed. That happens everyway. To insinuate we tout players out to cover costs is crazy. Even by your 'Jackett' standards...
It was in the CT where the £5m figure was posted. Of course Boddy could ask them to retract this if he felt it was inaccurate“That’s the way it”
You seem very supportive of our owners these days - you also are constantly avoiding the comments regarding the club owners strategy to frequently try and obtain assets while at the same time compromising the clubs existence
Next time you have a fireside chat with Dave ask him about that as his CV shows he’s a specialist at compromising clubs’ existence through such actions
Oh and I’ve never seen a administrator (which is all Boddy is) trying to flog players by putting a price in the programme
Amateur fool well above his pay grade
It was in the CT where the £5m figure was posted. Of course Boddy could ask them to retract this if he felt it was inaccurate
Because not all transfers work.
My point is often it’s a choice between leaving a half fit player on, bringing on a different half fit player, or throwing in an U23.
You just whinged a little more. Solutions pleasei genuinely think the club is in a mess. Our wage bill actually is competitive compared to say Luton that’s a fact. But I assume it’s largely down to promotion bonuses through contractual obligations
The ownership isn’t a suitable vehicle at this level abs that’s it really
You just whinged a little more
What would make you happy or show progress? Would you be less happy in league two or league one?Oh sorry what’s going to happen? Am I going to be sent to see big Dave and Old Fiver for a bit of reprogramming?
Ridiculous to say we don't normally sell key first team players.
What on earth were McCallum, Bayliss, Maddison, Wilson etc if not key first team players?
What would make you happy or show progress? Would you be less happy in league two or league one?
Thanks for the update Pete.
My own feeling is it is a waste of time asking Boddy about anything other than match day experience questions. He isnt going to tell you, is going to dress it up as best he can to put the owners in a positive light with the same old spin. The guy has little real power within the club other than day to day administration operations (as important as that is), he is just a more acceptable face than Fisher.
Harping back to a couple of missed transfers per season isn’t an excuse though. That level of wastage is actually pretty standard and should be costed in.
It does really though when it accumulates to the extent where you have 10+ first team players on the books, all of whom make little to no contribution on the pitch.
Hilssner, Jobello, Mason, Bright, Kastaneer, Pask, Drysdale, Kelly, Jones, Dacosta and now Shipley and Walker. That's 12 players surplus to requirements. Most were signed as first team players.
You can't honestly believe that level of wastage is standard.
Whose to blame for that?
Copied and pasted from my previous post:
Not really sure why Robins is bemoaning about a small squad when I don't think that's necessarily the case. The budget is there for him and the backroom staff to use freely as they wish - it's on them if they're misusing it by offering reasonably long-term contracts to players that have more of a risk element attached to them than most (E.g. Hilssner, Kasta, Jobello, Dacosta etc).
There's clearly a fundamental flaw in the recruitment process, one being the length of contracts we offer to new and existing players, and it desperately needs addressing.
The lack of depth really is an issue of Robins and the backroom staff's own doing, it's not a budgetary issue IMO.
I think with Walker it’s a case of not working out but as it seems he wanted to sign him and Godden was second choice it’s very strange the style of play would never suit Walker
the other thing I don’t get is offering contracts to L1 journeymen like Allen Godden and Kelly who have no resale value and weren’t Going anywhere
That ‘deadwood’ is made up probably of a 50/50 split of players that aren’t good enough at this level and those we’ve taken a chance on and it had not materialised. It’s more likely to happen when you move through the leagues at a relatively quick pace.The fact that at one point this season we probably could've fielded a full Starting XI with the amount of deadwood we had shows there's a fundamental flaw somewhere.
When a chunk of our budget is being taken up by players that are pretty much making zero contribution it's no wonder our squad of usable players is thin.
Not really sure why Robins is bemoaning about a small squad when I don't think that's necessarily the case. The budget is there for him and the backroom staff to use freely as they wish - it's on them if they're misusing it by offering reasonably long-term contracts to players that have more of a risk element attached to them than most (E.g. Hilssner, Kasta, Jobello, Dacosta etc).
It’s more likely to happen when you move through the leagues at a relatively quick pace.
It does really though when it accumulates to the extent where you have 10+ first team players on the books, all of whom make little to no contribution on the pitch.
Hilssner, Jobello, Mason, Bright, Kastaneer, Pask, Drysdale, Kelly, Jones, Dacosta and now Shipley and Walker. That's 12 players surplus to requirements. Most were signed as first team players.
You can't honestly believe that level of wastage is standard.
That ‘deadwood’ is made up probably of a 50/50 split of players that aren’t good enough at this level and those we’ve taken a chance on and it had not materialised. It’s more likely to happen when you move through the leagues at a relatively quick pace.
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