Now we know.... (1 Viewer)

LeamingtonBootBoy · Jun 20, 2012

....the size of the debt.

Surely if the accounts have been signed off, we should know if the club is 'debt-free' (to quote RR), or the exact size of the debt.....

We will also know SISU's transfer intentions, and whether Teflon Thorny has been lied to again....in which case, will he be a man of principle....????

CovLis86 · Jun 20, 2012

Im looking forward to the first person with know-how to bring it to the site and explain all. I have to admit, personally i dont understand business finance. But i know there is a couple of people on here who do, so they should be able to extract the relevant information from it and figure out a bit more about whats been going on behind the scenes since the end of the season.

LeamingtonBootBoy · Jun 20, 2012

If the accounts are in, we'll know how deep in the shit we are/were...well to April 2011 anyway.

tippex9 · Jun 20, 2012

LeamingtonBootBoy said:
....the size of the debt.

Surely if the accounts have been signed off, we should know if the club is 'debt-free' (to quote RR), or the exact size of the debt.....

We will also know SISU's transfer intentions, and whether Teflon Thorny has been lied to again....in which case, will he be a man of principle....????

By man of principle do you mean he should quit in protest?

wingy · Jun 20, 2012

LeamingtonBootBoy said:
If the accounts are in, we'll know how deep in the shit we are/were...well to April 2011 anyway.

Do they run to april or close of previous season ???

LeamingtonBootBoy · Jun 20, 2012

tippex9 said:
By man of principle do you mean he should quit in protest?

I mean that he will have been lied to twice, and if you have principles, you take appropriate action....which will reveal your principles and how firmly you stand by them.

LeamingtonBootBoy · Jun 20, 2012

wingy said:
Do they run to april or close of previous season ???

I assume Wingy, as a tax and finance expert, that they will be for a tax year....April-April.

wingy · Jun 20, 2012

Now that would be logical but if they're produced for tax purposes only would'nt that be from 11-12.

skyblueexile · Jun 20, 2012

TODAY I SUBMITTED ACCOUNTS FOR A CHARITY TO COMPANIES HOUSE - THEY SAID IT WOULD BE 48 HOURS BEFORE THEY WERE AVAILABLE - FRIDAY AT LATEST THEN

LeamingtonBootBoy · Jun 20, 2012

No, Wingy, these books will for tax year ending April 2011.

@richh87 · Jun 20, 2012

LeamingtonBootBoy said:
I mean that he will have been lied to twice, and if you have principles, you take appropriate action....which will reveal your principles and how firmly you stand by them.

We've all been lied to countless times - have we stopped supporting the club in protest? The guy probably loves being a manager. What a great opportunity, not to mention the great salary compared to being a scout.

He's not wealthy enough to throw that away.

LeamingtonBootBoy · Jun 20, 2012

That's fine Rich....we can then wait for his next excuse, can't we?

Did he blame SISU after the Millwall game?

There's even and article on the BBC website when Teflon says that 'the turmoil at CCFC has to stop'.

If he isn't getting the tools to do the job, and this is then preventing him from showcasing his true skills as a manager, then he should see that as demeaning his efforts/talent....and therefore like any professional take action to ensure that he is represented correctly/responds to the situation he is in.

If he accepts the constraints...and he has publicly said (May 2012) that he needs to be backed and he has been promised this....then he accepts the consequences....and doesn't resort to making comments at opportune moments to deflect the blame away from himself, and earn the nickname of Teflon!!!

LeamingtonBootBoy · Jun 20, 2012

@richh87 said:
He's not wealthy enough to throw that away.

A lot wealthier than the 2.7 million on the dole who have no jobs....or those employees shown the door at CCFC in recent days/weeks....

dongonzalos · Jun 20, 2012

LeamingtonBootBoy said:
....the size of the debt.

Surely if the accounts have been signed off, we should know if the club is 'debt-free' (to quote RR), or the exact size of the debt.....

We will also know SISU's transfer intentions, and whether Teflon Thorny has been lied to again....in which case, will he be a man of principle....????

Really hope not, I don't fancy a completely inexperienced Carlsely in charge of some of our completely inexperienced players to be honest.

Pretty sure he said, they asked me to stay on. I told them things needed to change, they gave me assurances it would.

Not if I dont get so many signings I will walk, it is the principle of the matter.

If they go back on the assurances it shows SISU are as bad as we expect, why does that mean AT has to walk, because they dont keep their word. Personally I would see that as a double punishment for us. They dont keep their word and IMO we lose a good manager. I know those who dont rate him wish for this and so intently portray his comments as no signings I walk. However that is not what he said

Jim · Jun 20, 2012

LeamingtonBootBoy said:
No, Wingy, these books will for tax year ending April 2011.

Nope. The books will cover the company trading year which for a football club will be either may-may or June-June as it needs to cover the entire football season. Will confirm shortly...

skybluejelly · Jun 20, 2012

Pretty sure he said, they asked me to stay on. I told them things needed to change, they gave me assurances it would.

yes but when they said they would make changes he did not realise they meant giving him even fewer resources

dongonzalos · Jun 20, 2012

ha ha, good point

LeamingtonBootBoy · Jun 20, 2012

Jim said:
Nope. The books will cover the company trading year which for a football club will be either may-may or June-June as it needs to cover the entire football season. Will confirm shortly...

Thanks Jim....I was making it up!

LeamingtonBootBoy · Jun 20, 2012

dongonzalos said:
we lose a good manager.

And your evidence for this is, Dongy....????

tippex9 · Jun 20, 2012

LeamingtonBootBoy said:
I mean that he will have been lied to twice, and if you have principles, you take appropriate action....which will reveal your principles and how firmly you stand by them.

Whilst I appreciate the sentiment, I can't see how or why he'd do that. I'm pretty sure Andy Thorn isn't an incredibly wealthy man, this is a job that pays his bills each month plus professional ambition may have him feeling like turning this sinking ship around and guiding it into safer times may possibly look good on his CV for future jobs.

I don't think it's as black and white as quitting on principal.

dongonzalos · Jun 20, 2012

LeamingtonBootBoy said:
And your evidence for this is, Dongy....????

With this one LBB, with all due respect I think I can see how it will pan out if I answer you.

I will talk about AT's matches before he had his best players taken away from him. Someone else will tell me that was a honeymoon period.

I will say that despite relegation the majority of the fans supported him and that does not happen often at football clubs. Also there are no mummerings of discontent coming from the dressing room or ex players.

Someone will tell me that is because the bad stuff done by SISU is buying him time and masking how bad he is.

I will say it is very hard to judge him because he has never been given a chance resource wise other than those first 10 games.

Someone will say you have to have a point when you can judge him.

I will say if he get 0-4 signings IMO we will go down like last season. In these circumstances, if the fans are against, discontent in the dressing room and the team are clearly not putting in maximum effort then he should go.

4-7 signings and we get relegated he should go

7-10 signings and we dont get in the play offs he should go.

I think that is about it

Whilst this goes on the odd person will post something like "AT drinks SISU's spunk"

Then I will say that we will probabaly end up with Carsley as his replacement and that I think this would ruin two bright young English managers and I dont think it will improve our situation.

Maybe you will agree or disagree, but I think that about covers it

Jim · Jun 20, 2012

LeamingtonBootBoy said:
Thanks Jim....I was making it up!

Ha lol!

Accounts are made up to 31st May.....

wingy · Jun 20, 2012

Now that would be one odd person!!!Dongon

dongonzalos · Jun 20, 2012

dongonzalos said:
With this one LBB, with all due respect I think I can see how it will pan out if I answer you.

I will talk about AT's matches before he had his best players taken away from him. Someone else will tell me that was a honeymoon period.

I will say that despite relegation the majority of the fans supported him and that does not happen often at football clubs. Also there are no mummerings of discontent coming from the dressing room or ex players.

Someone will tell me that is because the bad stuff done by SISU is buying him time and masking how bad he is.

I will say it is very hard to judge him because he has never been given a chance resource wise other than those first 10 games.

Someone will say you have to have a point when you can judge him.

I will say if he get 0-4 signings IMO we will go down like last season. In these circumstances, if the fans are against, discontent in the dressing room and the team are clearly not putting in maximum effort then he should go.

4-7 signings and we get relegated he should go

7-10 signings and we dont get in the play offs he should go.

I think that is about it

Whilst this goes on the odd person will post something like "AT drinks SISU's spunk"

Then I will say that we will probabaly end up with Carsley as his replacement and that I think this would ruin two bright young English managers and I dont think it will improve our situation.

Maybe you will agree or disagree, but I think that about covers it

Sorry someone else will also post "Yawn"

Skybluefaz · Jun 20, 2012

The last ones submitted ended 2010 so one can safely assume the 'current acount' will be for the period between 10-11

Grendel · Jun 20, 2012

@richh87 said:
We've all been lied to countless times - have we stopped supporting the club in protest? The guy probably loves being a manager. What a great opportunity, not to mention the great salary compared to being a scout.

He's not wealthy enough to throw that away.

What a glowing recommendation for The Clueless One. He's in it for the money and he loves being a manager. Wouldn't we all. So we are now a registered charity for unemployable useless managers. What joy.

Grendel · Jun 20, 2012

dongonzalos said:
With this one LBB, with all due respect I think I can see how it will pan out if I answer you.

I will talk about AT's matches before he had his best players taken away from him. Someone else will tell me that was a honeymoon period.

I will say that despite relegation the majority of the fans supported him and that does not happen often at football clubs. Also there are no mummerings of discontent coming from the dressing room or ex players.

Someone will tell me that is because the bad stuff done by SISU is buying him time and masking how bad he is.

I will say it is very hard to judge him because he has never been given a chance resource wise other than those first 10 games.

Someone will say you have to have a point when you can judge him.

I will say if he get 0-4 signings IMO we will go down like last season. In these circumstances, if the fans are against, discontent in the dressing room and the team are clearly not putting in maximum effort then he should go.

4-7 signings and we get relegated he should go

7-10 signings and we dont get in the play offs he should go.

I think that is about it

Whilst this goes on the odd person will post something like "AT drinks SISU's spunk"

Then I will say that we will probabaly end up with Carsley as his replacement and that I think this would ruin two bright young English managers and I dont think it will improve our situation.

Maybe you will agree or disagree, but I think that about covers it

You're Stuart Linnel aren't you?

wingy · Jun 20, 2012

Grendel said:
You're Stuart Linnel aren't you?[/QUOTE
You did'nt cover that one Dongy.More caveats required!!!

SkyblueBazza · Jun 20, 2012

LeamingtonBootBoy said:
I mean that he will have been lied to twice, and if you have principles, you take appropriate action....which will reveal your principles and how firmly you stand by them.

Are you saying that if you thought your boss had lied to you over something fairly significant...YOU would resign?

Grendel · Jun 20, 2012

He's outed himself it's the bearded no mark broadcaster. Next hel'll say Andy Thorn is a good manager and if you don't agree you no nothing about football. Yes Stuart (sorry "Don") I bow to your journalistic excellence.

Grendel · Jun 20, 2012

SkyblueBazza said:
Are you saying that if you thought your boss had lied to you over something fairly significant...YOU would resign?

I would if that's what I said to the media - or I would take "appropriate action" as he said. What did that mean? Continue to fake discontent while secretly continuing to worship at the sisu temple?

dongonzalos · Jun 20, 2012

Also, TF may have said will you carry on next season. AT may have said we need a budget to bounce back. TF speaks to JS she agrees that they do.

He assures AT and all of us via the media remember, that Joy agrees they need to ask for a bounce back budget.

A few weeks later they are given a smaller budget. Who's fault is it. TF, JS, the people investing the money in SISU.

Was the assurances that they would ask for a bounce back budget?

TF amy have done what he assured AT he would try and do.

dongonzalos · Jun 20, 2012

dongonzalos said:
Also, TF may have said will you carry on next season. AT may have said we need a budget to bounce back. TF speaks to JS she agrees that they do.

He assures AT and all of us via the media remember, that Joy agrees they need to ask for a bounce back budget.

A few weeks later they are given a smaller budget. Who's fault is it. TF, JS, the people investing the money in SISU.

Was the assurances that they would ask for a bounce back budget?

TF amy have done what he assured AT he would try and do.

Have they lied to us aswell saying there will be a bounce back budget, then later telling us it is significantly less.

Or did they hope to get a bounce back budget asked for it and got something significantly smaller. If they were straight with AT throuh this whole process then they have probably fulfilled their assurances to him as they cant control the investors actions

Grendel · Jun 20, 2012

Wake up. Thorn doesn't care about budgets, team performance anything. All he ever cares about is himself. Who is more likely to keep employing the man with the worst win ratio since the Great War the owners who always have or someone new.

AT knows his bread is buttered sisu side up. He wants them to stay. Even one of his supporters admits he's in it for the money. To suggest otherwise is nativity in the extreme.

dongonzalos · Jun 20, 2012

With this one LBB, with all due respect I think I can see how it will pan out if I answer you.

I will talk about AT's matches before he had his best players taken away from him. Someone else will tell me that was a honeymoon period.

I will say that despite relegation the majority of the fans supported him and that does not happen often at football clubs. Also there are no mummerings of discontent coming from the dressing room or ex players.

Someone will tell me that is because the bad stuff done by SISU is buying him time and masking how bad he is.

I will say it is very hard to judge him because he has never been given a chance resource wise other than those first 10 games.

Someone will say you have to have a point when you can judge him.

I will say if he get 0-4 signings IMO we will go down like last season. In these circumstances, if the fans are against, discontent in the dressing room and the team are clearly not putting in maximum effort then he should go.

4-7 signings and we get relegated he should go

7-10 signings and we dont get in the play offs he should go.

I think that is about it

Whilst this goes on the odd person will post something like "AT drinks SISU's spunk"

Then I will say that we will probabaly end up with Carsley as his replacement and that I think this would ruin two bright young English managers and I dont think it will improve our situation.

It then tell them, if they dont think AT is a good manager then they know nothing about football, I then cut them off and smugly rub my beard.

Maybe you will agree or disagree, but I think that about covers it

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