This is a good question. As said, they were looked on as marquee signings, and I'm sure they both expected to be the first names on the team sheet. But our philosophy is to bring through the youngsters where we can. so, for a number of reasons, including this, a lack of fitness in Ogogo's case through injury, and adjusting to a new style of play, and different team mates' skills and qualities, etc. neither has had a good run in the team to establish themselves. Ogogo looked class early on but since then has looked uninterested, I wonder why!. Brown the same, really.Why do people assume the players on question habe a bad attitude?
Ogogo looked class early on but since then has looked uninterested, I wonder why!. Brown the same, really.
I believe it's a LOL, then morphed into a LOLZ that morphed into a LULZ, innit bruv.What is LULZ?
I'll wait until it turns into LULU I think, then I'll know what they are talking about.I believe it's a LOL, then morphed into a LOLZ that morphed into a LULZ, innit bruv.
Dont suspect it will happen but maybe we do clear them both out this week - that said can he get better in at the same time? - for me the summer of 2018 recruitment will go down as a D on the report card...I think both players want to leave
That may answer Otis' point
I suspect part of the problem is the uncertainty about the club's futureWeird one, I know from somebody that has worked with them both and that they are top pros and Ogogo really is a leader, not a bad word on either!
Not sure what’s happened here.
Hope we keep both and especially Ogogo gets a proper run in the side before the seasons out!
Yes, I was going to say he looked head and shoulders above everyone else on the pitch in the Scunthorpe game, but maybe I saw what I wanted to.First game Ogogo was man of the match for me. A class apart.
I suspect part of the problem is the uncertainty about the club's future
Wonder who's going to be the first person to say Ogogo gone.Brown is based still in/around Manchester and Ogogo may even be London they’ll probably go to sides in that direction.
Senior players falling out with Robins left right and centre. Somethings not right that’s for sure.Is anybody going to ask Robins what the score is with them?
We keep hearing about inexperience and naive but we had a marquee signing in Ogogo who had a hefty signing on fee to pick us over Charlton and Brown as well.
We also had Andreu who wasn't making the bench but can then get straight into Hamilton's starting 11.
Bit of an assumption there I think.Senior players falling out with Robins left right and centre. Somethings not right that’s for sure.
Brown, Ogogo, Doyle, Davies, JCH all not first team regulars, when really they should be IMO.Bit of an assumption there I think.
Best ask Better Days.
Brown, Ogogo, Doyle, Davies, JCH all not first team regulars, when really they should be IMO.
I felt sure ogogo was doyles replacement but can't understand why he is usually on the bench and can't get a run in the side. Are his old injuries still troubing him, is he unsettled? Whats up Doc.Weird one, I know from somebody that has worked with them both and that they are top pros and Ogogo really is a leader, not a bad word on either!
Not sure what’s happened here.
Hope we keep both and especially Ogogo gets a proper run in the side before the seasons out!
I suspect part of the problem is the uncertainty about the club's future
There is a general malaise because of the uncertaintyInteresting. Also interesting how this post is ignored when coming from a decent source rather than the pile on the same sentiment gets from others.
Why just those two though? We’re rhey promised something on signing that hasn’t materialised? Surely everyone knew what this season was about going into it.
Ogogo wqs motm first game of season. A league 1 kanteI must have missed that. I would say the they have both been well below what I expected
Might even be able to put an apostrophe where it's needed - he could always borrow one from those who persist in calling him Robin's. Cue my other stalker...He can probably spell his name properly though
I felt sure ogogo was doyles replacement but can't understand why he is usually on the bench and can't get a run in the side. Are his old injuries still troubing him, is he unsettled? Whats up Doc.
It was only a couple of weeks ago people were saying what a breath of fresh air Kelly had brought to the team...I would certainly play Brown who is far tougher than Mason and may as well give Ogogo a chance as he can’t do less than Kelly as any fool can pass it sideways and backwards
Now... generally I agree with this. I think it's often overlooked how the general running of the club impacts on performance. However, on these individual cases, I've got questions.There is a general malaise because of the uncertainty
Most of us expect a deal to be done for the Ricoh eventually but imagine you are an employee, especially a player nearer the end of his career than the beginning it's bound to be unsettling
If you're also out of the team too....
It's human nature
The Burge rumour didn't come from me, I hadn't actually heard that at all and as far as I know the relationship with Robins is fineIt was only a couple of weeks ago people were saying what a breath of fresh air Kelly had brought to the team...
Now... generally I agree with this. I think it's often overlooked how the general running of the club impacts on performance. However, on these individual cases, I've got questions.
Why would it mean these two would be out the team, and not others?
Almost as soon as Brown came, there were rumours (maybe even from you?) that he'd fallen out with Robins. There were also rumours (again... from you? That Burge and Robins had had a blow-up early season but... Burge is still in the team, Brown gets relegated behind a 17yo in the pecking order. Whilst I can buy performances dip as minds are preoccupied that's not just a dip, that's a savage decline. I'm just wondering if in this case it's as much an excuse, as anything else. That's not to suggest off-field events have no impact, that'd be crazy, but it's not like if we were to sign a deal, Brown would suddenly turn a bit Roberto Carlos.
OK, great. Unlike many on here, I'd love him to stay and think it'll be one of our bigger losses if he does go.The Burge rumour didn't come from me, I hadn't actually heard that at all and as far as I know the relationship with Robins is fine
Which does indeed suggest ground issues a general excuse... in this instance even if mooted, it'd seem to be looking for reasons, rather than the reason. Sometimes, people just don't settle somewhere, of course. In a general sense, signing him was always going to be a risk after a bad injury - and he's already played more games for us this season, than he did for Shrewsbury last.Not sure if Robins and Brown had a fall out, it just seemed that Brown was unhappy generally almost as soon as he arrived. Who knows why, it was a bit surprising to everyone
Maybe he had family issues or some other underlying problems. Maybe the reason will come out in due course but there is obviously something wrong
The Burge rumour didn't come from me, I hadn't actually heard that at all and as far as I know the relationship with Robins is fine
Not sure if Robins and Brown had a fall out, it just seemed that Brown was unhappy generally almost as soon as he arrived. Who knows why, it was a bit surprising to everyone
Maybe he had family issues or some other underlying problems. Maybe the reason will come out in due course but there is obviously something wrong
If he lives in the north west, Coventry is a fair bit further as a commute to training than Shrewsbury and the M6 rather than a decent run through Cheshire on A roads. It could be as simple as that.
Hmm, after waking up every day at 6am for the last month (and it's not even me with the new job!) I can understand how, until you do it, you might think it's easier than it is.What I don't get with that though is surely he would know where Coventry was?
I can understand players looking to renew might be a bit wary of the predicament with the ground but surely Brown and Ogogo would have known that when they signed as it was only last summer?
It was only a couple of weeks ago people were saying what a breath of fresh air Kelly had brought to the team...
Now... generally I agree with this. I think it's often overlooked how the general running of the club impacts on performance. However, on these individual cases, I've got questions.
Why would it mean these two would be out the team, and not others?
Almost as soon as Brown came, there were rumours (maybe even from you?) that he'd fallen out with Robins. There were also rumours (again... from you? That Burge and Robins had had a blow-up early season but... Burge is still in the team, Brown gets relegated behind a 17yo in the pecking order. Whilst I can buy performances dip as minds are preoccupied that's not just a dip, that's a savage decline. I'm just wondering if in this case it's as much an excuse, as anything else. That's not to suggest off-field events have no impact, that'd be crazy, but it's not like if we were to sign a deal, Brown would suddenly turn a bit Roberto Carlos.
What I don't get with that though is surely he would know where Coventry was?
I can understand players looking to renew might be a bit wary of the predicament with the ground but surely Brown and Ogogo would have known that when they signed as it was only last summer?
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