The audience wasn’t buying what the Tory minister was saying either. More than a few shouts of lies coming from the audience while she was trying to protest her innocence. Don’t think the audience was buying it at all.
Why would anyone buy it - it's the same meaningless platitudes wheeled out time and time again. Surely most rational human beings would look at how incapable some of these people in key positions are and worry about where it's heading.The audience wasn’t buying what the Tory minister was saying either. More than a few shouts of lies coming from the audience while she was trying to protest her innocence. Don’t think the audience was buying it at all.
Why would anyone buy it - it's the same meaningless platitudes wheeled out time and time again. Surely most rational human beings would look at how incapable some of these people in key positions are and worry about where it's heading.
Zzzz same old "I'm alright Jack" drivel from you
I work in the NHS buying stuff. I know for an absolute nailed on fact that the Tories have NOT put loads of additional money in, apart from the millions on the pointless reorganisation
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PFI trend downwards, but I don't like them one bit, it is bollocks to say the private sector take all the risk, Carillion have derisked their position and left a huge pile of steaming shit which the government will have to clean up.
This graph only goes up to 2015, would like to see what last 2 years look like.
Agree; dislike them intensely. It's just a weasel way to hide debt, even if it ends up costing far more than being straight in the first place.
exactly, but it's a chep headline to say Labour will increase public borrowing by X amount when they suggest bringing PFI financed projects back under public control.
There have been cross party committees which have concluded PFI don't give tax payers value for money, perhaps a cross party committee could look into a solution so regardless of whose in No 10 we rid ourselves of it.
Up to a point, yes. And I'm definitely in favour of cross-party committees to resolve thorny issues. There are technical reasons why it's not just a simple transfer from a forward obligation into debt. These are some things to consider; I don't know if it would end up making sense to bring them in house or not without more details:
1. If the buy-out terms are not written into the contracts, the current owners could play hard ball and insist on a payment of the present value of all future obligations. That wouldn't bring a saving - it just changes the timing of the payments (from the future to now).
2. When the government takes the real debt on balance sheet it has to find investors to buy it. It depends on lots of factors and the amount of money, but it's possible that the interest rate on that debt could increase as a result. That could have a non-linear impact on all debt payments (increasing the interest rate on the whole of the debt, over time, rather than just the amount needed to buy out the PFI contracts).
The devil is in the detail. It's valid to raise it as a subject for analysis but it could turn out beneficial to stay as we are for now, with regrets, and not do it again.
Linked this on another thread but there are some suggestions in here:
With PFI our hands are tied – so what can be done? — CHPI
I read in the Times today that Hillary Benn is top of the Deselection list. What a shame - he's an intelligent and thoughtful man and I respect him. The paper also suggests that the new Momentum council in Haringey plan to cut senior teachers' salaries by 40%.
A thoughtful man who got a standing ovation from the Tories as he called for bombs to fall on Syria. Funny how he was silent on the crimes of our allies in Saudi, or how he didn't call for bombs on Boko Haram.
I read in the Times today that Hillary Benn is top of the Deselection list. What a shame - he's an intelligent and thoughtful man and I respect him. The paper also suggests that the new Momentum council in Haringey plan to cut senior teachers' salaries by 40%.
His father would be disgusted at these comments and actually I believe would even be revolted by Mr Corbyn - shame on you
The even more disturbing news of course is the momentum brigade have reinstated the rather revolting Clive Lewis back in the fold.
O’Mara will be next and then the ultimate Nazi grandee livingstone will return to the fold.
Meanwhile the radicals from the 80’s - Linda Bellos and Peter Tatchell are outlawed and classes as transphobic bigots. Corbyn stays silent.
Momentum will cause its own downfall, but they will trash the place before they leave.I read in the Times today that Hillary Benn is top of the Deselection list. What a shame - he's an intelligent and thoughtful man and I respect him. The paper also suggests that the new Momentum council in Haringey plan to cut senior teachers' salaries by 40%.
The even more disturbing news of course is the momentum brigade have reinstated the rather revolting Clive Lewis back in the fold.
O’Mara will be next and then the ultimate Nazi grandee livingstone will return to the fold.
Meanwhile the radicals from the 80’s - Linda Bellos and Peter Tatchell are outlawed and classes as transphobic bigots. Corbyn stays silent.
There is no shame in stating the truth but plenty in cherry picking the parts that suit your argument. Where is Benn's condemnation of the treatment of homosexuals and apostates in Saudi Arabia, as he provided for ISIS? Why does he not call out the war crimes of an ally to whom we have sold billlions of pounds worth of weapons?
He called for bombs on Syria in the full knowledge that there would be collateral damage. So did the Tory backbenchers who standed to applaud him.
Gets offended at criticism of Benn then labels a politician a Nazi
There is no shame in stating the truth but plenty in cherry picking the parts that suit your argument. Where is Benn's condemnation of the treatment of homosexuals and apostates in Saudi Arabia, as he provided for ISIS? Why does he not call out the war crimes of an ally to whom we have sold billlions of pounds worth of weapons?
He called for bombs on Syria in the full knowledge that there would be collateral damage. So did the Tory backbenchers who standed to applaud him.
Do you think a man who believes women are bitches and should just “get down” are representative of a progressive society?
Defend livingstone at your peril.
Apologies for having triggered you. I'm sure he is against homophobia and Boko Haram but just felt it inappropriate to bring up during a debate on Syria.
Where is Jeremy Corbyn and his criticism of labour members who said they’d take one of his MP’s and rape her if she wasn’t fat, ugly and probably having a period?
Most labour MP’s applauded Benn that day you dimwit.
The even more disturbing news of course is the momentum brigade have reinstated the rather revolting Clive Lewis back in the fold.
O’Mara will be next and then the ultimate Nazi grandee livingstone will return to the fold.
Meanwhile the radicals from the 80’s - Linda Bellos and Peter Tatchell are outlawed and classes as transphobic bigots. Corbyn stays silent.
Eugenics: the skeleton that rattles loudest in the left's closet | Jonathan Freedlandas you say, reinstated, after an investigation and O'Mara was suspended. What happened to the two tory fuck wits who flirted with eugenics, were they suspended? Oh no, that's right, they were given positions in government. You must have been appalled?
Actually I'll go further. There should be no topic that is off bounds for discussion and education. Becoming knowledgeable about something is not the same thing as believing in doing it in a bad way. Should people not attend meetings or discuss quantum physics because it can be used for nuclear weapons?
it would depend who the attendees were. people are quick to pick up on Corbyns fellow attendees at various meeting so I think it's right to highlight who Toby Young was there with. I wouldn't want to be in a room with them to be honest.
I suppose it comes back to the freedom of speech argument but listening to people who advocate paedophilia is a step to far for me personally.
To be honest, this is where these debates get into pointless tit for tat rather than sensible debate.
You can drag up unpleasantness from both parties and it just become petty point scoring.
There are more sensible debates to be had around Corbyn. Hasn't the last week proved him right on PFI and that there is some credibility on his central bank idea?
When is he going to make his position clear on Europe and what will happen to him and the party if he doesn't find common ground with the pro EU majority in Labour?
More important issues in my mind.
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