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shmmeee · Jan 2, 2025

quinn1971 said:
, we had a chance of another crack at the the play offs but for some reason a cup run took priority. Your right semi final was brilliant but look at what it’s done to us, I’d go Gladly given up the semi final for a play off spot,

Yeah we all would. But still historically 9th is a very good finish for this club. There’s no way around that. I’d put money we won’t be as high again while King is here.

This whole thing seems to come down to whether you believe Robins was over or under performing. There’s a belief that we have a good given right to a playoff spot cos we made it once. I think people are forgetting just how mediocre we can be in this league.

shmmeee · Jan 2, 2025

Evo1883 said:
Sure , by gameweek 40 this was the table , how much longer do you want mate

we fell away at the end
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No! Our start had ruined our hopes!!

Evo1883 · Jan 2, 2025

shmmeee said:
No! Our start had ruined our hopes!!

Haha

SBT · Jan 2, 2025

shmmeee said:
But apparently the squad is bottom six and no manager could be expected to get more out of them without replacing them.

Crap starts don’t stop PO aspirations. We had one the year we got to the final.

I haven’t said it’s a bottom six squad - I think that’s ridiculous.

“Crap starts don’t stop PO aspirations”? A hundred-odd years of football history would disagree with you there.

steve101 · Jan 2, 2025

Evo1883 said:
So what we are saying is the only reason we won games was because of O hare ?

So cal held the entire team together ?

Honestly that's a ridiculous suggestion and I like him

Exactly. Rudoni has 6 assists and 3 goals in a struggling team, compared to O'Hare's 4 and 2 respectively in a high flying team.
O'Hare's energy levels is a big miss, but technically Rudoni has a far superior end product.
The few Sheffield Utd games I have seen this season, O'Hare has been very mediocre.

shmmeee · Jan 2, 2025

SBT said:
I haven’t said it’s a bottom six squad - I think that’s ridiculous.

“Crap starts don’t stop PO aspirations”? A hundred-odd years of football history would disagree with you there.

And Evos screenshot disagrees with you. 6 games to go, 4 points off with a game in hand. Are you saying our PO aspirations were dead at that point?

Grendel · Jan 2, 2025

Evo1883 said:
We beat Leicester too with nion the same players , what I mean is there aren't enough changes in the squad to go from playoff contenders until April to absolute shit .. the players are letting the club down , the fans and the manager/s down

3 of the payers are no longer here who started against Leicester and another 2 (Collins and Kitching) are unlikely to feature again

Brighton Sky Blue · Jan 2, 2025

shmmeee said:
Yeah we all would. But still historically 9th is a very good finish for this club. There’s no way around that. I’d put money we won’t be as high again while King is here.

This whole thing seems to come down to whether you believe Robins was over or under performing. There’s a belief that we have a good given right to a playoff spot cos we made it once. I think people are forgetting just how mediocre we can be in this league.

There's a belief we should be doing much better than we are which is justified.

Evo1883 · Jan 2, 2025

steve101 said:
Exactly. Rudoni has 6 assists and 3 goals in a struggling team, compared to O'Hare's 4 and 2 respectively in a high flying team.
O'Hare's energy levels is a big miss, but technically Rudoni has a far superior end product.
The few Sheffield Utd games I have seen this season, O'Hare has been very mediocre.

We fell away at the end of last season because the squad was knackered ,too small and we were bringing on players like dausch at Southampton because nobody was fit

shmmeee · Jan 2, 2025

steve101 said:
Exactly. Rudoni has 6 assists and 3 goals in a struggling team, compared to O'Hare's 4 and 2 respectively in a high flying team.
O'Hare's energy levels is a big miss, but technically Rudoni has a far superior end product.
The few Sheffield Utd games I have seen this season, O'Hare has been very mediocre.

Theyre very different players and Rudoni is definitely more of a goal threat, but he also takes set pieces to his assists should be taken with a pinch of salt.

SBT · Jan 2, 2025

Evo1883 said:
Sure , by gameweek 40 this was the table , how much longer do you want mate

Call me old fashioned but how about Gameweek 46?

We had two stretches at the beginning and end of the season where we couldn’t buy a win. Most of the time that means you don’t make the playoffs and so it proved.

Evo1883 · Jan 2, 2025

Grendel said:
3 of the payers are no longer here who started against Leicester and another 2 (Collins and Kitching) are unlikely to feature again

Ahh so you do think palmer was THAT good , honestly

Evo1883 · Jan 2, 2025

SBT said:
Call me old fashioned but how about Gameweek 46?

We had two stretches at the beginning and end of the season where we couldn’t buy a win. Most of the time that means you don’t make the playoffs and so it proved.

So we've established the team was good enough for much of the season, as I said .. cheers .

Same players pretty much

shmmeee · Jan 2, 2025

Brighton Sky Blue said:
There's a belief we should be doing much better than we are which is justified.

What justifies it?

I was told that Lampard would have an instant impact on these players. They’d all be motivated because he’s a big name and they’ve got big bollocks and don’t respect Robins. That Robins was a terrible coach and Lampard was elite. That all this squad needed was a proper manager.

It’s clearly bollocks. Last season we over achieved with this squad.

Boicey · Jan 2, 2025

shmmeee said:
Yeah we all would. But still historically 9th is a very good finish for this club. There’s no way around that. I’d put money we won’t be as high again while King is here.

This whole thing seems to come down to whether you believe Robins was over or under performing. There’s a belief that we have a good given right to a playoff spot cos we made it once. I think people are forgetting just how mediocre we can be in this league.

It comes down to having found real quality in Gok and Hamer.
Gok single handedly lifted us a fair few places.

Grendel · Jan 2, 2025

Evo1883 said:
Ahh so you do think palmer was THAT good , honestly

Neither Godden but only 6 players really will be able to play and come on that game was won mainly due to O Hare

Evo1883 · Jan 2, 2025

Grendel said:
Neither Godden but only 6 players really will be able to play and come on that game was won mainly due to O Hare

Our form at that point in the season was tremendous, many fans on here were crying that godden and palmer weren't good enough

The bulk of the starting 11 is the same as last season , why are you making out its not ?

SBT · Jan 2, 2025

shmmeee said:
And Evos screenshot disagrees with you. 6 games to go, 4 points off with a game in hand. Are you saying our PO aspirations were dead at that point?

No, I’m saying they had a giant hole in the bottom caused by our aforementioned crap start. Maybe if you can conjure up a historically great run of form every year to compensate then everything ends up fine, but in 22/23 we did, and in 23/24 we didn’t. The owner decided he wanted something more consistent for his money instead and here we are.

steve101 · Jan 2, 2025

shmmeee said:
Theyre very different players and Rudoni is definitely more of a goal threat, but he also takes set pieces to his assists should be taken with a pinch of salt.

Not really. The fact he gets assists via a set piece just demonstrates he is a technically better player. His goals have come in open play if I remember correctly.
Agree they are different types of players but they are playing similar roles.
My argument was more to back up that our form drop off isn't down solely to O'Hare.

Evo1883 · Jan 2, 2025

Last season we finished 6 points worse off than the playoff season with 6 games to go we were arguably having a better season than the 1 before where we almost went to the prem and we reached a cup semi final .

Why do fans have amnesia

Brighton Sky Blue · Jan 2, 2025

shmmeee said:
What justifies it?

I was told that Lampard would have an instant impact on these players. They’d all be motivated because he’s a big name and they’ve got big bollocks and don’t respect Robins. That Robins was a terrible coach and Lampard was elite. That all this squad needed was a proper manager.

It’s clearly bollocks. Last season we over achieved with this squad.

Who said Lampard would have an instant impact? I don't think anyone on here had us down to finish in the bottom half, and for that matter nor did anyone external.

SBT · Jan 2, 2025

Evo1883 said:
So we've established the team was good enough for much of the season, as I said .. cheers .

Same players pretty much

You don’t get open top bus parades for being good for “much of the season”

The current squad is smaller and weaker than the one that finished last season.

Evo1883 · Jan 2, 2025

SBT said:
You don’t get open top bus parades for being good for “much of the season”

The current squad is smaller and weaker than the one that finished last season.

Weaker where ? Godden palmer and o hare ?

Btw you are totally and probably purposely missing the entire point about these players ..

They are better than shit and they are better than they are showing because they've shown it before many times

shmmeee · Jan 2, 2025

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Who said Lampard would have an instant impact? I don't think anyone on here had us down to finish in the bottom half, and for that matter nor did anyone external.

I don’t think we would have. Our season tracked with the last two pretty much. It was an article of faith that it wouldn’t improve like it did before. Of course now our season doesn’t track and we’re miles behind. But all that’s happened post Robins.

Evo1883 · Jan 2, 2025

So if these players don't improve does that mean that viveash and Lawrence were better than ex chelsea and England coaches ?

shmmeee · Jan 2, 2025

steve101 said:
Not really. The fact he gets assists via a set piece just demonstrates he is a technically better player. His goals have come in open play if I remember correctly.
Agree they are different types of players but they are playing similar roles.
My argument was more to back up that our form drop off isn't down solely to O'Hare.

Goals havebyeah. He’s definitely more of a goal threat. Just saying corner takers have skewed stats. Applied to Eccles and Hamer too.

quinn1971 · Jan 2, 2025

shmmeee said:
Yeah we all would. But still historically 9th is a very good finish for this club. There’s no way around that. I’d put money we won’t be as high again while King is here.

This whole thing seems to come down to whether you believe Robins was over or under performing. There’s a belief that we have a good given right to a playoff spot cos we made it once. I think people are forgetting just how mediocre we can be in this league.

Think Luton went up the season after they lost in the play offs, we had a chance to do the same, we were playing well and would of made top 6, what might of been, think your right, that’s the closest we’ll get for a long time

Sick Boy · Jan 2, 2025

Christ, this is boring.

SBT · Jan 2, 2025

Evo1883 said:
Weaker where ? Godden palmer and o hare ?

Btw you are totally and probably purposely missing the entire point about these players ..

They are better than shit and they are better than they are showing because they've shown it before many times

O’Hare has been replaced by a younger and less impressive #10; Godden has been replaced by two strikers who I wouldn’t expect to score the same number of goals combined; Kelly and Palmer have not been replaced by anyone at all. Our defence is exactly the same bar a young keeper who’s been in and out of the side. Our best new signing might not even be first choice in his preferred position. We made a bet that our existing players would all kick on, and essentially none of them have.

I don’t know why you’re suggesting I think the players are shit - I don’t. But last season’s squad finished very clearly short of the goals expected from it and it went backwards even further at the start of this season. It’s precisely because I think this team is potentially capable of more that I think a change in manager was justified.

shmmeee · Jan 2, 2025

SBT said:
O’Hare has been replaced by a younger and less impressive #10; Godden has been replaced by two strikers who I wouldn’t expect to score the same number of goals combined; Kelly and Palmer have not been replaced by anyone at all. Our defence is exactly the same bar a young keeper who’s been in and out of the side. Our best new signing might not even be first choice in his preferred position. We made a bet that our existing players would all kick on, and essentially none of them have.

I don’t know why you’re suggesting I think the players are shit - I don’t. But last season’s squad finished very clearly short of the goals expected from it and it went backwards even further at the start of this season. It’s precisely because I think this team is potentially capable of more that I think a change in manager was justified.

Were we play off challengers last year in your opinion?

quinn1971 · Jan 2, 2025

Sick Boy said:
Christ, this is boring.

bit Like the football and “ our progress “

Sick Boy · Jan 2, 2025

quinn1971 said:
bit Like the football and “ our progress “

Lampard deserves to actually bring in his own players and be given time to sort out the current mess.

SBT · Jan 2, 2025

shmmeee said:
Were we play off challengers last year in your opinion?

Not really, no. We finished nine points off, we spent very little time (if any?) in the top six. I expected more if I’m honest.

quinn1971 · Jan 2, 2025

SBT said:
Not really, no. We finished nine points off, we spent very little time (if any?) in the top six. I expected more if I’m honest.

we were right up there with 10 games to go, i Think we’d of made it , then who knows what might have happened, but I was the same, expected to finish alot higher than what we did

Brighton Sky Blue · Jan 2, 2025

Sick Boy said:
Lampard deserves to actually bring in his own players and be given time to sort out the current mess.

The chief piss takers need to leave, probably in the summer assuming we can find someone daft enough to take them. The chairman has clearly been taken in by Stone Cold and probably a few agents in thinking that it's a great 'deck'.

He has proven he knows nothing about the game. My concern is he hinders a rebuild by sticking by these waste of space players.

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