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rob9872 · Oct 24, 2024

Just to be clear, in the past few days we've had people calling out for being shit:

Wilson, Collins, Dovin
Da Silva, Kitchen, Binks, Thomas, Lati
Sheaf, Eccles, Torp, Allen, Rudoni
Simms, Wright, BTA, EMC

So on Saturday (unless ive missed these guys being slagged off) it looks like young Bell in goal, a half fit Bidwell alongside MVE at the back, Tats in midfield, with Bassette and Tavares up top and probably Andrews and a few youth teamers to fill the gaps.

For good measure, half want Robins out, we have too many coaches (especially the science woman doctor), Doug gets involved too much, no idea how our goalkeeping coach has a job and Big Sam is waiting in the wings as part of a Mike Ashley takeover.

Sorted

shmmeee · Oct 25, 2024

MvE was shit last game too and Tats and Bassette haven’t avoided criticism.

fatso · Oct 25, 2024

rob9872 said:
Just to be clear, in the past few days we've had people calling out for being shit:

Wilson, Collins, Dovin
Da Silva, Kitchen, Binks, Thomas, Lati
Sheaf, Eccles, Torp, Allen, Rudoni
Simms, Wright, BTA, EMC

So on Saturday (unless ive missed these guys being slagged off) it looks like young Bell in goal, a half fit Bidwell alongside MVE at the back, Tats in midfield, with Bassette and Tavares up top and probably Andrews and a few youth teamers to fill the gaps.

For good measure, half want Robins out, we have too many coaches (especially the science woman doctor), Doug gets involved too much, no idea how our goalkeeping coach has a job and Big Sam is waiting in the wings as part of a Mike Ashley takeover.

Sorted

According to the latest poll less than 10% want MR out. But don't let that stop your hissy fit.

rob9872 · Oct 25, 2024

fatso said:
According to the latest poll less than 10% want MR out. But don't let that stop your hissy fit.

Ok so no criticism of Robins on this board then, my bad.

It's a fekkin joke. No hissy fit. All everyone does is slag the players off. It's becoming a cesspit.

skybluecam · Oct 25, 2024

Our squad is absolutely fine. A central midfielder and a full back or two off being a solid top 6 outfit.

Obviously people are understandably loyal to Robins, so criticise players instead, but there’s really nothing wrong with the majority of them.

Mucca Mad Boys · Oct 25, 2024

skybluecam said:
Our squad is absolutely fine. A central midfielder and a full back or two off being a solid top 6 outfit.

Obviously people are understandably loyal to Robins, so criticise players instead, but there’s really nothing wrong with the majority of them.

The underlying data metrics support this argument too. I have no problems with Eccles or Sheaf, but it has to be one or the other in this system. That is, if we’re actually serious about our aspiration to be a promotion calibre team.

I’m pretty certain if you just added a player of Hamer or Sara’s quality in this team, we’d be a much more potent attacking force.

The defence needs work - too many soft goals conceded.

coop · Oct 25, 2024

It's generally the same squad as last season with the addition of new players so what is the problem?

covcity4life · Oct 25, 2024

skybluecam said:
Our squad is absolutely fine. A central midfielder and a full back or two off being a solid top 6 outfit.

Obviously people are understandably loyal to Robins, so criticise players instead, but there’s really nothing wrong with the majority of them.

This

clint van damme · Oct 25, 2024

skybluecam said:
Our squad is absolutely fine. A central midfielder and a full back or two off being a solid top 6 outfit.

Obviously people are understandably loyal to Robins, so criticise players instead, but there’s really nothing wrong with the majority of them.

Without even mentioning the rest of the team we'll never be solid top 6 with our pool of CBs

Cally Fedora · Oct 25, 2024

The kit man has been ok though.

Perennial Lurker · Oct 25, 2024

Can't believe Jim the gateman gets off Scot free , he's been abysmal this season

Sick Boy · Oct 25, 2024

clint van damme said:
Without even mentioning the rest of the team we'll never be solid top 6 with our pool of CBs

It's pretty damning considering how much we've spent on them.

skybluecam · Oct 25, 2024

clint van damme said:
Without even mentioning the rest of the team we'll never be solid top 6 with our pool of CBs

Don't agree, they're an easy scapegoat when we're conceding goals but they're not the problem.

AFCCOVENTRY · Oct 25, 2024

The answer is to play Tavares.

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · Oct 25, 2024

skybluecam said:
Don't agree, they're an easy scapegoat when we're conceding goals but they're not the problem.

What is the problem then? To say it isn't the players seems very odd to me. They're the ones that are stepping out onto the pitch and currently not performing very well. Not sure you can hang that on the tea lady.

Torquay Sky Blue · Oct 25, 2024

Compared to the last time we played Luton and I'll include the players we had on loan. This present squad is poor

skybluecam · Oct 25, 2024

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
What is the problem then? To say it isn't the players seems very odd to me. They're the ones that are stepping out onto the pitch and currently not performing very well. Not sure you can hang that on the tea lady.

Tactics and direction from coaches and management

Old Warwickshire lad · Oct 25, 2024

coop said:
It's generally the same squad as last season with the addition of new players so what is the problem?

The coaches. Too many different instructions in my view.
Footballers are renowned for not being very bright.
So one tells em do this another do that, and they end up wondering round the pitch not knowing what they should be doing.
Just about sums us up so far.

ceetee · Oct 25, 2024

Old Warwickshire lad said:
The coaches. Too many different instructions in my view.
Footballers are renowned for not being very bright.
So one tells em do this another do that, and they end up wondering round the pitch not knowing what they should be doing.
Just about sums us up so far.

I was at an event recently when one of the players said that the coaches have specific areas of responsibility. For example one coaches "in possession" and another coaches "out of possession"

Torquay Sky Blue · Oct 25, 2024

ceetee said:
I was at an event recently when one of the players said that the coaches have specific areas of responsibility. For example one coaches "in possession" and another coaches "out of possession"

The out of possession coach must spend a lot of time with Rudoni then

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · Oct 25, 2024

skybluecam said:
Tactics and direction from coaches and management

It's absolutely a factor, but I can't give the players a free pass. For me they're the ones letting the side down at the moment. The amount of basic errors, shit finishing, and generally what looks like a poor attitude is not something that sits on a tacticians clipboard.

We can replace the coaches, even the manager, but I don't think it's really going to change a lot with the current crop of players we have.

rob9872 · Oct 25, 2024

ceetee said:
I was at an event recently when one of the players said that the coaches have specific areas of responsibility. For example one coaches "in possession" and another coaches "out of possession"

I was there too and agree it's just the current stick to beat them with.

Torquay Sky Blue said:
Compared to the last time we played Luton and I'll include the players we had on loan. This present squad is poor

I'm not sure the squad is, but individually we had some exceptional performers and to expect others at that level on our budget, we'd have to be very lucky. One as you can see just 12 months later is a world level performer, and Hamer remains probably the most talented midfielder in this league.

Knowing O'Hare would leave and allowing us to get in the situation with him and Palmer not being replaced or the decision on both loans and older players, whether that's the owner, manager, coaches or a combination are our underlying mistakes imo.

skybluecam · Oct 25, 2024

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
It's absolutely a factor, but I can't give the players a free pass. For me they're the ones letting the side down at the moment. The amount of basic errors, shit finishing, and generally what looks like a poor attitude is not something that sits on a tacticians clipboard.

We can replace the coaches, even the manager, but I don't think it's really going to change a lot with the current crop of players we have.

People love to talk about attitude, mentality etc, whatever you want to call it.

Unfortunately for the vast majority of players, if they don't believe in what they're being told to do by the coaches and manager, it will simply be impossible for them to perform at their maximum. I don't know if that's the case yet but from what I see it would explain a lot.

Ultimately that's why I think it's time for a change in management.

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · Oct 25, 2024

skybluecam said:
People love to talk about attitude, mentality etc, whatever you want to call it.

Unfortunately for the vast majority of players, if they don't believe in what they're being told to do by the coaches and manager, it will simply be impossible for them to perform at their maximum. I don't know if that's the case yet but from what I see it would explain a lot.

Ultimately that's why I think it's time for a change in management.

I understand your logic. I know for sure that if there's a lack of faith in the training, coaching, instructions etc - that it is not going to help players perform at their best. I just think it goes deeper than that. The basics aren't right for me, and even if they don't have much belief in the operation, they can still turn up on the day and put in a performance for those who support them. Personally I'm not seeing that very much.

We do look weak mentally, and we do look like we should be able to give more. I can't really argue with those that want a management change other than to say I don't know who else would be better, but I will die on the hill of saying I think the players can do better and their application is a massive source of our problems as well.

clint van damme · Oct 25, 2024

skybluecam said:
People love to talk about attitude, mentality etc, whatever you want to call it.

Unfortunately for the vast majority of players, if they don't believe in what they're being told to do by the coaches and manager, it will simply be impossible for them to perform at their maximum. I don't know if that's the case yet but from what I see it would explain a lot.

Ultimately that's why I think it's time for a change in management.

So this is where I am. Clubs in this league rip through an insane amount of managers, picking up the associated costs which must be huge for certain clubs, Stoke, Watford etc.

More often than not the new man comes in, gets a bounce, then it goes to shit and they start the process again. Occasionally one hits the jackpot, more often than not they don't.
We've been there before, it is fucking depressing.

So we have,a successful manager in place, but things have gone wrong this season.
But there's also been a lot of changes at the club, no assistant, whole new coaching structure, new recruitment process, total change of the demographic of the squad.

So before King pulls the trigger, I want him to look at every aspect of the club, look at what impact these changes have had, have they negatively impacted the way Robins works and if so how can that be rectified?

If King concludes that Robins is the issue then fine, get rid, because as much as I don't want to get back on that merry go round if the managers done, he's done.

But if King doesn't delve into what's going on, and makes his decision solely based on results I fear he may well make the wrong desicion.
Look at Man U, they've burnt through some of the best mangers in the world and our still shit.

Don't think the mangers were the issue.

Let's be as near to 100 percent as we can that if we sack Robins that he's the problem, I'd say at the minute there's plenty to suggest perhaps he's not.

skybluecam · Oct 25, 2024

clint van damme said:
So this is where I am. Clubs in this league rip through an insane amount of managers, picking up the associated costs which must be huge for certain clubs, Stoke, Watford etc.

More often than not the new man comes in, gets a bounce, then it goes to shit and they start the process again. Occasionally one hits the jackpot, more often than not they don't.
We've been there before, it is fucking depressing.

So we have,a successful manager in place, but things have gone wrong this season.
But there's also been a lot of changes at the club, no assistant, whole new coaching structure, new recruitment process, total change of the demographic of the squad.

So before King pulls the trigger, I want him to look at every aspect of the club, look at what impact these changes have had, have they negatively impacted the way Robins works and if so how can that be rectified?

If King concludes that Robins is the issue then fine, get rid, because as much as I don't want to get back on that merry go round if the managers done, he's done.

But if King doesn't delve into what's going on, and makes his decision solely based on results I fear he may well make the wrong desicion.
Look at Man U, they've burnt through some of the best mangers in the world and our still shit.

Don't think the mangers were the issue.

Let's be as near to 100 percent as we can that if we sack Robins that he's the problem, I'd say at the minute there's plenty to suggest perhaps he's not.

Suggesting we immediately turn into Stoke or Watford with one managerial change is nonsense.

This isn't Mark Robins FC, it's Coventry City FC. What you're suggesting just sounds like it's coming from completely the wrong place.

Bristol sky blue · Oct 25, 2024

I have questioned Rudoni's effort on here this week, not his ability. I think that criticism is fair. Don't think he is a shit player though, far from it. He definitely has the potential to be a good signing for us in the long term.

clint van damme · Oct 25, 2024

skybluecam said:
Suggesting we immediately turn into Stoke or Watford with one managerial change is nonsense.

This isn't Mark Robins FC, it's Coventry City FC. What you're suggesting just sounds like it's coming from completely the wrong place.

The hit rate of successful managerial appointments in this division is poor.

So I'm not suggesting we turn in to Stoke or Watford with one change as you well know.

But what if that one's wrong, and the next one?
Not sure how long you've been following city but we've been down that route many times before?

And people with far more experience of running a football club than King regularly get it wrong.

A new man hits a bad patch and the clamour for his head starts pretty rapidly. It's a well worn path.

So all Im saying is, if we go down that route we need to be 100 percent sure.
At the moment I'm not but I'm prepared to accept this could be mainly down to Robins, you don't seem willingly to even contemplate it might not be, you want him gone.

Be careful what you wish for.

Cov98 · Oct 25, 2024

Bristol sky blue said:
I have questioned Rudoni's effort on here this week, not his ability. I think that criticism is fair. Don't think he is a shit player though, far from it. He definitely has the potential to be a good signing for us in the long term.

Seems like the general consensus of the Huddersfield fans.
Talented, but goes missing too often and drops tools when things aren't going his way.

Mucca Mad Boys · Oct 25, 2024

Old Warwickshire lad said:
The coaches. Too many different instructions in my view.
Footballers are renowned for not being very bright.
So one tells em do this another do that, and they end up wondering round the pitch not knowing what they should be doing.
Just about sums us up so far.

We actually don’t. A lot of the posters accusing people of ‘standing around’ are actually non-coaching staff I.e. medical staff, physios and analysts.

There was a tweet doing the rounds where someone listed all the coaching staff and it’s normal staffing head counts for Championship teams.

skybluecam · Oct 25, 2024

clint van damme said:
The hit rate of successful managerial appointments in this division is poor.

So I'm not suggesting we turn in to Stoke or Watford with one change as you well know.

But what if that one's wrong, and the next one?
Not sure how long you've been following city but we've been down that route many times before?

And people with far more experience of running a football club than King regularly get it wrong.

A new man hits a bad patch and the clamour for his head starts pretty rapidly. It's a well worn path.

So all Im saying is, if we go down that route we need to be 100 percent sure.
At the moment I'm not but I'm prepared to accept this could be mainly down to Robins, you don't seem willingly to even contemplate it might not be, you want him gone.

Be careful what you wish for.

We’re not gonna agree here.

I just don’t see Robins turning this one around. Whether he gets the chance to or not we’ll see.

shmmeee · Oct 25, 2024

Mucca Mad Boys said:
We actually don’t. A lot of the posters accusing people of ‘standing around’ are actually non-coaching staff I.e. medical staff, physios and analysts.

There was a tweet doing the rounds where someone listed all the coaching staff and it’s normal staffing head counts for Championship teams.

What’s the benefit of those people on a match day?

Stevenage_sky_blue · Oct 25, 2024

clint van damme said:
So this is where I am. Clubs in this league rip through an insane amount of managers, picking up the associated costs which must be huge for certain clubs, Stoke, Watford etc.

More often than not the new man comes in, gets a bounce, then it goes to shit and they start the process again. Occasionally one hits the jackpot, more often than not they don't.
We've been there before, it is fucking depressing.

So we have,a successful manager in place, but things have gone wrong this season.
But there's also been a lot of changes at the club, no assistant, whole new coaching structure, new recruitment process, total change of the demographic of the squad.

So before King pulls the trigger, I want him to look at every aspect of the club, look at what impact these changes have had, have they negatively impacted the way Robins works and if so how can that be rectified?

If King concludes that Robins is the issue then fine, get rid, because as much as I don't want to get back on that merry go round if the managers done, he's done.

But if King doesn't delve into what's going on, and makes his decision solely based on results I fear he may well make the wrong desicion.
Look at Man U, they've burnt through some of the best mangers in the world and our still shit.

Don't think the mangers were the issue.

Let's be as near to 100 percent as we can that if we sack Robins that he's the problem, I'd say at the minute there's plenty to suggest perhaps he's not.

Agree with this 100%. At the end of the day what is the ultimate aim? getting to the Premier League I would suggest. So, if Mark Robins isn’t the man to take us there sack him, bring on the next manager to ensure that we get there. Once there then what? what will be our target? If Mark Robins’ replacement doesn’t reach that target, sack him and bring in the next incumbent who also won’t reach that target, rinse and repeat.

Let’s keep things and expectations realistic here, we all have one thing in common, we all love and support, from near and far, our Sky Blues. I have seen the club lift one major trophy in my time do I love them any less for not being in the bloody Premier League, the land of dreams, the promised land, absolutely not. In truth all I see is a season of struggle, repeated for every season we remain in that promised land, and a complete meltdown and discontent on new scales from any newbies attracted to the bright lights thinking that we will ever be chasing major honours.

We all want our club to be, and remain safe of course. We all have very different ideas on how to achieve our aims, we should try and respect those who differ from our own views. However, unreal expectations of grandeur from our owner and fans alike is only ever going to end in tears and that loss of stability and the core of the club that makes us what we are will once again disappear as we enter the spiralling times again.

Mucca Mad Boys · Oct 25, 2024

skybluecam said:
We’re not gonna agree here.

I just don’t see Robins turning this one around. Whether he gets the chance to or not we’ll see.

I disagree with you on this one. The next 5-10 games will answer that.

Past performance is no indicator of future success, but it’s worth noting that in 22/23 and the L1 title winning season serious questions were being asked of MR.

clint van damme · Oct 25, 2024

skybluecam said:
We’re not gonna agree here.

I just don’t see Robins turning this one around. Whether he gets the chance to or not we’ll see.

But you'd agree that a thorough review of all the changes and the affect, if any, they've had on Robins role would be prudent before pulling the trigger?
Or is getting rid of the managers ingrained in your physce you won't accept anything else?

That going to be weird for you if we pull off a result tomorrow

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