Pivotal Sky Blue Moments (1 Viewer)

blunted · May 28, 2021

What do you think are the pivotal moments where it all went wrong or right?
Not giving Jimmy Hill the contract he wanted (10 years)
Not employing Brian Clough as manager - he went to Forest instead.
Selling Highfield Road.
Sacking Eric Black and employing Peter Reid. Not saying Black would have been that good but light years ahead of Reid.
Most of the managers from Coleman onwards.
Selling Wilson too cheaply.
Letting Sisu take all the shares.

Grendel · May 28, 2021

blunted said:
What do you think are the pivotal moments where it all went wrong or right?
Not giving Jimmy Hill the contract he wanted (10 years)
Not employing Brian Clough as manager - he went to Forest instead.
Selling Highfield Road.
Sacking Eric Black and employing Peter Reid. Not saying Black would have been that good but light years ahead of Reid.
Most of the managers from Coleman onwards.
Selling Wilson too cheaply.
Letting Sisu take all the shares.

Clough was approached in the early 70’s wasn’t he and re-signed for Derby

Wilson was a great deal

SlowerThanPlatt · May 28, 2021

blunted said:
What do you think are the pivotal moments where it all went wrong or right?
Not giving Jimmy Hill the contract he wanted (10 years)
Not employing Brian Clough as manager - he went to Forest instead.
Selling Highfield Road.
Sacking Eric Black and employing Peter Reid. Not saying Black would have been that good but light years ahead of Reid.
Most of the managers from Coleman onwards.
Selling Wilson too cheaply.
Letting Sisu take all the shares.

Eric Black hasn’t had a managers job since being sacked. There isn’t much evidence to suggest he would have been a long term success here.

blunted · May 28, 2021

Also, Robinson using Richardson as a front to buy Derrick Robins shares. He said he would never sell to Robinson as he would destroy the City (not far wrong).

blunted · May 28, 2021

SlowerThanPlatt said:
Eric Black hasn’t had a managers job since being sacked. There isn’t much evidence to suggest he would have been a long term success here.

Completely agree, which was why I qualified the statement, but at the time, anyone would have been way better than Reid.

SlowerThanPlatt · May 28, 2021

Grendel said:
Clough was approached in the early 70’s wasn’t he and re-signed for Derby

Wilson was a great deal

We ended up pretty well out of it. Think he went for an initial £3m but with being sold on to Newcastle and various milestones close to £6m.

TomRad85 · May 28, 2021

McAllister leaving on a free same summer as selling Keane. Should have tied McAllister down long before Liverpool turned his head. Cba to do the maths but the 2 of them going can't have been far off 2/3rds of our goals taken out of the team. What could go wrong?

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blunted · May 28, 2021

Grendel said:
Clough was approached in the early 70’s wasn’t he and re-signed for Derby

Wilson was a great deal

Clough was about to sign for the City 100%. Derrick Robbins was worried Clough wanted too much control and pulled out. Clough said at the time, we were a bigger club than Derby. I remember someone rang CWR at the time Wilson was sold saying we had been robbed. Admittedly, at the time I thought it was a good deal. There was a player who also went to the Championship for way more money at the same time and never went much higher. His name escapes me. Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

SlowerThanPlatt · May 28, 2021

blunted said:
Clough was about to sign for the City 100%. Derrick Robbins was worried Clough wanted too much control and pulled out. Clough said at the time, we were a bigger club than Derby. I remember someone rang CWR at the time Wilson was sold saying we had been robbed. Admittedly, at the time I thought it was a good deal. There was a player who also went to the Championship for way more money at the same time and never went much higher. His name escapes me. Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

Maybe Assombalonga, just been released by Boro

blunted · May 28, 2021

TomRad85 said:
McAllister leaving on a free same summer as selling Keane. Should have tied McAllister down long before Liverpool turned his head. Cba to do the maths but the 2 of them going can't have been far off 2/3rds of our goals taken out of the team. What could go wrong?

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I happen to know when Heskey went to Liverpool, he was persuaded by Oneal to sign a new contract so Leicester could benefit from a fee for him. A player moving on but helping his home town team. Classy. McCallister should have been offered the same.

SkyblueDad · May 28, 2021

Without doubt getting sisu involved with our club

blunted · May 28, 2021

SlowerThanPlatt said:
Maybe Assombalonga

My son said him, but I am sure it was someone else, unless the old brain is atrophying.

oscillatewildly · May 28, 2021

Grendel said:
Clough was approached in the early 70’s wasn’t he and re-signed for Derby

Wilson was a great deal

Clough was allegedly approached to take over from Jimmy Hill when JH announced his departure (just prior to start of season 1967/68)
Legend has it that a verbal agreement was struck - but nothing more.

lordy_87 · May 28, 2021

blunted said:
My son said him, but I am sure it was someone else, unless the old brain is atrophying.

Nakhi Wells?

steve cooper · May 28, 2021

Releasing Kevin Keegan, saying he was too small to make the grade

steve cooper · May 28, 2021

Letting Stuart Pearce go to Forest

lordy_87 · May 28, 2021

Not signing Pirlo

SlowerThanPlatt · May 28, 2021

steve cooper said:
Letting Stuart Pearce go to Forest

Letting go implies he was released or surplus to requirements. The reality is he went to a bigger club who were competing for honours year in year out.

steve cooper · May 28, 2021

SlowerThanPlatt said:
Letting go implies he was released or surplus to requirements. The reality is he went to a bigger club who were competing for honours year in year out.

We didn't realise his potential, he went as part of a deal with Ian Butterworth IIRC.

Greggs · May 28, 2021

Striking a good deal for Maddison when the club was at its lowest, has seen us good for years. Why are all the pivotal moments you list negative ones?

steve cooper · May 28, 2021

Greggs said:
Striking a good deal for Maddison when the club was at its lowest, has seen us good for years. Why are all the pivotal moments you list negative ones?

In that case one of the most positive turning points has to be getting Mark Robins as manager

Johnnythespider · May 28, 2021

Greggs said:
Striking a good deal for Maddison when the club was at its lowest, has seen us good for years. Why are all the pivotal moments you list negative ones?

I noticed that

SkyblueDad · May 28, 2021

Cloughie conned us re. Stuart Pearce, made a bid of around £250k for Ian Butterworth good player which we turned down Forest upped it to £450k if we included Pearce in the deal, both signed for Forest within a year Butterworth was flogged off to Norwich City wherr he played for a long time. and as we know Pearce went on to success and international stardom.

lord_garrincha · May 28, 2021

Not signing Mbappe, when he was 7, to a 25-year contract.

This was pre SISU though...

Legia Sky Blue · May 28, 2021

oscillatewildly said:
Clough was allegedly approached to take over from Jimmy Hill when JH announced his departure (just prior to start of season 1967/68)
Legend has it that a verbal agreement was struck - but nothing more.

Think your mixing this up with when we approached him after Cantwell left. When JH left as Manager, Clough had still to achieve any success with Derby. They had finished towards the bottom of Division 2 in 1966/67, and did the same in 1967/68. It wasn't until the following season when he took Derby up that he made a real name for himself.

Greggs · May 28, 2021

steve cooper said:
In that case one of the most positive turning points has to be getting Mark Robins as manager

that's more like it!

fatso · May 28, 2021

For me it wasnt one pivotal moment, more like the years and years of financial mismanagement that fucked the club and the fans over, and ultimately resulted in us nearly going to the wall. And then to bury the details under non disclosure agreements really stinks.

robbiekeane · May 28, 2021

SlowerThanPlatt said:
We ended up pretty well out of it. Think he went for an initial £3m but with being sold on to Newcastle and various milestones close to £6m.

Initial 1m i think wasnt it?

SlowerThanPlatt · May 28, 2021

blunted said:
What do you think are the pivotal moments where it all went wrong or right?
Not giving Jimmy Hill the contract he wanted (10 years)
Not employing Brian Clough as manager - he went to Forest instead.
Selling Highfield Road.
Sacking Eric Black and employing Peter Reid. Not saying Black would have been that good but light years ahead of Reid.
Most of the managers from Coleman onwards.
Selling Wilson too cheaply.
Letting Sisu take all the shares.

Were 10 year contracts usual back then? Admire what he did for the club but don’t think anyone deserves a 10 year contract in football.

clint van damme · May 28, 2021

Getting rid of the hotplate in the old skyblue stand that made cracking hot dogs with freshly cooked sausages and onions. Club never recovered

SkyblueDad · May 28, 2021

We did approach Brian Clough first time after Jimmy Hill resigned and the second time a more serious approach after Noel Cantwell was sacked there are all sorts of stories as to why it didn’t happen but I think mainly it was a personality clash between him and out chairman Derrick Robins who apparently was a difficult individual to deal with.

clint van damme · May 28, 2021

slowpoke said:
We did approach Brian Clough first time after Jimmy Hill resigned and the second time a more serious approach after Noel Cantwell was sacked there are all sorts of stories as to why it didn’t happen but I think mainly it was a personality clash between him and out chairman Derrick Robins who apparently was a difficult individual to deal with.

I cantremember ifit was in Cloughs biography or autobiography but it states it was his decision to turn us down.
He made his mind up on the way home from the interview

Grendel · May 28, 2021

blunted said:
Clough was about to sign for the City 100%. Derrick Robbins was worried Clough wanted too much control and pulled out. Clough said at the time, we were a bigger club than Derby. I remember someone rang CWR at the time Wilson was sold saying we had been robbed. Admittedly, at the time I thought it was a good deal. There was a player who also went to the Championship for way more money at the same time and never went much higher. His name escapes me. Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

You said he chose Forest

SlowerThanPlatt · May 28, 2021

robbiekeane said:
Initial 1m i think wasnt it?

Callum Wilson has completed his move to Bournemouth with Coventry City getting two players on loan as part of the deal believed to be worth more than £3million.

The Sky Blues star striker has agreed a four-year deal with the Championship club who will lend out highly-rated goalkeeper Ryan Allsop and winger Mohamed Coulibaly initially until January as part of a loaded deal that is understood to see City get £2.25m up front.

Other money relied on certain games/goals and Bournemouth promotion. Unless we negotiated a silly deal everything should have been met

Gynnsthetonic · May 28, 2021

Definitely selling Highfield Rd, a lot of fans are already bored of new plastic B&Q stadiums, old style stadiums with character are the future although in the top 2 divisions there aren't many left! Imho

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