Player Ratings v PNE (1 Viewer)

shy_tall_knight · Sep 27, 2014

Alsopp 5 - not at fault for goals but punches badly when should have caught and not sufficiently commanding
Clarke 5 - defensively OK offered nothing going forward
Willis- 7 MOM for me strong and calm under pressure
Webster 6 did ok
Hines 6 but clumbsy for the penalty
Haynes 7 a couple of decent runs, great goal line clearance and last ditch tackle in first half, very depressing is that he seems our only decent attacking option
Fleck 5 tried to keep things going pass completion must be his worst of the season
O'Brien 4 did nothing of note
Swanson 2 possibly one of the worst players i've seen for the club, small in stature and contribution, can't see what he can give to the team especially with the formation we play
Tudgay 3 can't believe he was allowed to stay on for the full 90 mins, no pace no physical presence no contribution
Jackson 4 Poor first touch and inaccurate passing but at least looked interested.

Subs - none did anything of mote

Elvis 3 532 against PNE with two diddymen up front was never going to work playing tippy tappy football in your own half then playing in high and long to our small forwards just was a waste of time.

Tonylinc · Sep 27, 2014

Thanks for that STK. For those of us that can't get to games it is always useful to have the ratings from those that can.

shy_tall_knight · Sep 27, 2014

One of the worst games I 've been to failed to create any decent chances we looked weak small disorganised and without conviction compared to PNE

Sky Blue Pete · Sep 28, 2014

No doubt that Reda and Nouble would have made a massive difference today but worried that Tudgay is rated by SP

SkyBlue_Bear83 · Sep 28, 2014

Allsop 5
Clarke 4
Willis 6
Webster 6
Hines 5
Haynes 5
Fleck 4
Swanson 3
O'Brien 4
Tudgay 3
Jackson 3

It was awful

KersleyDigs · Sep 28, 2014

Not gonna waste my time on individual ratings. Whole team were rudderless and frankly, an embarrassment.

Only Willis and Haynes were anywhere near satisfactory.

Formation is clearly dire, we never got any width whatsoever in the attacking third. A common theme this season. SP must start playing players in their natural positions, for example:

Clarke at right back (in a 4)
Haynes at Left back (in a 4)
O'Brien at right midfield
Swanson left midfield
Webster & Tudgay on the bench!!!

ccfc1234 · Sep 28, 2014

KersleyDigs said:
Not gonna waste my time on individual ratings. Whole team were rudderless and frankly, an embarrassment.

Only Willis and Haynes were anywhere near satisfactory.

Formation is clearly dire, we never got any width whatsoever in the attacking third. A common theme this season. SP must start playing players in their natural positions, for example:

Clarke at right back (in a 4)
Haynes at Left back (in a 4)
O'Brien at right midfield
Swanson left midfield
Webster & Tudgay on the bench!!!

Would like to send him out on loan to the conference to get some shooting practice. Watched him in the warm up drills doing "shooting" practice. Half the fans in the stadium would get more on target than him. Really hope his contract has a huge goal bonus element to it.

shmmeee · Sep 28, 2014

I thought we missed Conor Thomas

Midfield looked weak and played too close together and too deep for my liking, especially as we were pinned back at wing back. Thought Fleck showed some quality to be honest, though that might have been best of a bad bunch. Liked the look of Hines and Willis, their No 14 was a cheating bastard and I knew they'd get a penalty at some point. Thought the full backs were poor today, possibly because they couldn't get forward and aren't the best defensively, I dunno. Tudgay was useless, Jackson a little better, McQuoid average, but better than Tudgay. Couldn't see goals in us today at all, need Nouble and Reda back in the team (and Thomas). Oh and Allsop couldn't command his box to save his life.

If we were going to go 442 (and I'm not sure we should) I'd play:

Allsop
Willis Hines Johnson Pugh
O'Brien Fleck Thomas Coulibaly
Nouble Jackson

Wasn't impressed by Swanson at all today.

Otis · Sep 28, 2014

CCFC said:
Allsop 5
Clarke 4
Willis 6
Webster 6
Hines 5
Haynes 5
Fleck 4
Swanson 3
O'Brien 4
Tudgay 3
Jackson 3

It was awful

Yep, about right those marks I would say and certainly no-one deserved anything more than a 6.

I'm sure Preston fans will be purring and now have eyes on the play-offs at least after yesterday, but I really think that will be the easiest game they will have all season long, as we were so clueless and inept. I would praise their work ethic and non stop energy, but they really didn't look that good a team, we just made them look good.

I don't like to come down too hard on players I have only seen for a few games, but Swanson and Tudgay, I'm sorry, but they seem to offer absolutely nothing to the side whatsoever.

At one point in the game yesterday, Jackson broke away with the ball into the Preston half and had Tudgay alongside him and bizarrely, Tudgay just kept running alongside him and made no attempt whatsoever to run ahead of Jackson or run into space, or do anything other than just run alongside him.

On another occasion, the ball came ahead of him into space and he had the chance to take the ball forwards into that space upon receiving it, but instead he received the ball and immediately turned back to the defence and passed it backwards.

Forwards seemed like shark infested waters to him for some strange reason. I don't see that he offers anything at all to the side.

Swanson for me just looks like a headless chicken.

It IS still early days though, but I haven't even seen a glimmer of potential to the side from either of them.

3 liabilities in that side yesterday for me and they were Swanson, Tudgay and the bloke between the sticks who thinks that one day he might become a goalkeeper.

speedie87 · Sep 28, 2014

Allsop 4 can't or won't catch
Clarke 5 gives very little going forward
Willis 7 seemed to win everything in the air again.
Webster 6
Hines 6 thought he looked like he could be decent
Haynes 6 didn't seen to want to attack first half , 2nd half only attacks came from. Dodgy defending though
Swanson. 2 absolutely awful, light weight fairy
Fleck 6 ok
O'brien 7 motm only player who looked like any urgency
Tudgay 4 the blokes legs have gone he has no sharpness or pace at all. We had break 2nd half and he couldn't even run past half way line in support.
Jackson 6 had one chance first half but couldn't control it.

Pressley 3 should have made changes earlier. Shouldn't have played tudgay for 90m. Should of bought decent defenders rather than having to play 5-3-2 to cover them. Midfield has no depth or balance. Sort it.

stupot07 · Sep 28, 2014

CCFC said:
Allsop 5
Clarke 4
Willis 6
Webster 6
Hines 5
Haynes 5
Fleck 4
Swanson 3
O'Brien 4
Tudgay 3
Jackson 3

It was awful

Pretty much what I'd give. Awful performance all round. Missed Conor Thomas's energy in midfield. We completely lost the midfield battle right from the off. Swanson looks a poor player to me, certainly not a midfielder, o'brien was very quiet, and fleck was poor both with and without the ball. Preston bullied our midfield and they went into their shells.

The front two, although had no service didn't protect the ball, and why did tudguy keep turning into the defender?? Odd

Keeper doesn't inspire confidence. And the rest Meh

Something needs to change but the prospect of a Thomas and fleck central 2 in a 442 doesn't inspire me with any confidence.

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DazzleTommyDazzle · Sep 28, 2014

I thought that Willis, Haynes and O'Brien (in that order) did OK.

We didn't look particularly troubled in defence, but with so many players back so much of the time, I guess we shouldn't.

For me, the biggest issue was that the front two couldn't hold the ball and they were so isolated from the rest of the team. It was one of those days where you pretty quickly felt that a free kick or corner would probably be the only way we could hope to score - although for that you need to win the odd attacking free kick or corner.....

i'm not sure that I can remember a previous home game where we didn't have a single serious attempt on goal.

It is ironic that this time last year when most people could not / would not attend, we were playing fast attacking football and now that we're back we seem to have gone to the other extreme.

Wyken Sky Blue · Sep 28, 2014

Allsop 4 dodgy dodgy dodgy!
Clarke 5 didn't do much but felt he got into some good positions out wide but no one wanted to pass!
Willis 7 Best centre back at present
Webster 6 Did ok
Hines 6 Clumsy penalty but I think he's a good addition
Haynes 6 Excellent tackle to stop them having an easy shot on goal but doesn't offer much going forward now.
Swanson 3 Would rather have Thoma back in!
Fleck 7 Best passer of the ball for me
O'brien 6 Wanted to get forward but didn't have his usual sparkle
Tudgay 3 No confidence, shame really as in pre-season he did ok
Jackson 5 Wanted to create and get into good positions but Tudgay let him down

No problem with the 3-5-2 but we desperately need a plan B when it isn't working well.

stupot07 · Sep 28, 2014

Not sure where all these 7's are coming from?! Worst performance I've seen in a long time, bar 10 minutes were dominated start to finish.

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Otis · Sep 28, 2014

stupot07 said:
Not sure where all these 7's are coming from?! Worst performance I've seen in a long time, bar 10 minutes were dominated start to finish.

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Well I think that's it in a nutshell. We all believe it was one of the worst ever performances in living memory and therefore I can't see how anyone deserved anything past a 6.

Frostie · Sep 28, 2014

Allsop 4 - Disagree with the earlier poster about him not being at fault for the goals, first goal is a tap in from inside the 6 yard box, why isn't he coming to claim that? Doesn't come off his line, command his area or communicate effectively. His 'punch' straight to their player in the first half whilst under no pressure sums him up. Time for a change.
Clarke 6 - Not as bad as others make out, always the first to press but under utilised as an attacking outlet & this isn't his strength anyway. Decent defender but looks like a player filling in when at wing back.
Willis 6 - Been really impressive lately & won a lot in the air again but he gave away possession very dangerously on more than one occasion.
Webster 5 - Although he blamed Willis for the situation leading to the penalty it's his error in my opinion. He pushed up looking to play offside whilst Willis & Hines stayed. As the captain & senior member of that 3 he needs to command the situation.
Hines 6 - Pick of the back 3 for me. Won most things & looks quite composed.
Haynes 6 - 2 goal saving challenges that were the highlight of the match for City fans. Couple of decent balls in but static midfield/forwards don't help him. Bit naive defensively at times.
Swanson 4 - Bad day at the office but don't write him off, he hasn't had any run of games. Shocking first half, improved only slightly 2nd half.
Fleck 6 - Not his usual passing standard but no movement around him doesn't help.
O'Brien 6 - I felt his frustration. Was the only one really trying to make something happen but nothing came off.
Jackson 5 - No supply to work with. Get him the ball in behind to use his pace. Poor link up with Tudgay though & needs to protect the ball.
Tudgay 4 - Very small for a target man type but used to have great strength, jumping & heading & would bully defenders. No sign of that yesterday, or for us at all yet this season. Some very poor touches, short of pace & lacked awareness. I can see why Pressley chose him in Nouble's absence as hopefully a physical presence to complement Jackson's pace but showed none of it.

Comes to something when your MOTM only scores a 6, but Hines or O'Brien, just for effort.

stupot07 · Sep 28, 2014

Otis said:
Well I think that's it in a nutshell. We all believe it was one of the worst ever performances in living memory and therefore I can't see how anyone deserved anything past a 6.

Yep, and people giving o'brien and fleck 6-7's despite our midfield being dominated for 80 mins. Seems they get a free pass (most likely an intercepted one). If they are worth that then Kilkenny and Browne get 9/10-10/10's.

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Cranfield Sky Blue · Sep 28, 2014

Alsopp scares me to death... He doesn't look like he would save anything and he must take some blame for the first goal... The ball in was not that high that he should be commanding the area... Once they got the penalty, there was never a thought in mind he would save it.

Agree with all other posters, the team were inept and lifeless, and in Tudgay's case clueless! Utter waste of time.

Roll on Crawley???

Otis · Sep 28, 2014

Frostie said:
Allsop 4 - Disagree with the earlier poster about him not being at fault for the goals, first goal is a tap in from inside the 6 yard box, why isn't he coming to claim that? Doesn't come off his line, command his area or communicate effectively. His 'punch' straight to their player in the first half whilst under no pressure sums him up. Time for a change.
Clarke 6 - Not as bad as others make out, always the first to press but under utilised as an attacking outlet & this isn't his strength anyway. Decent defender but looks like a player filling in when at wing back.
Willis 6 - Been really impressive lately & won a lot in the air again but he gave away possession very dangerously on more than one occasion.
Webster 5 - Although he blamed Willis for the situation leading to the penalty it's his error in my opinion. He pushed up looking to play offside whilst Willis & Hines stayed. As the captain & senior member of that 3 he needs to command the situation.
Hines 6 - Pick of the back 3 for me. Won most things & looks quite composed.
Haynes 6 - 2 goal saving challenges that were the highlight of the match for City fans. Couple of decent balls in but static midfield/forwards don't help him. Bit naive defensively at times.
Swanson 4 - Bad day at the office but don't right him off, he hasn't had any run of games. Shocking first half, improved only slightly 2nd half.
Fleck 6 - Not his usual passing standard but no movement around him doesn't help.
O'Brien 6 - I felt his frustration. Was the only one really trying to make something happen but nothing came off.
Jackson 5 - No supply to work with. Get him the ball in behind to use his pace. Poor link up with Tudgay though & needs to protect the ball.
Tudgay 4 - Very small for a target man type but used to have great strength, jumping & heading & would bully defenders. No sign of that yesterday, or for us at all yet this season. Some very poor touches, short of pace & lacked awareness. I can see why Pressley chose him in Nouble's absence as hopefully a physical presence to complement Jackson's pace but showed none of it.

Comes to something when your MOTM only scores a 6, but Hines or O'Brien, just for effort.

Comes to something when you have to scratch you head and struggle to actually find a MOTM.

Wyken Sky Blue · Sep 28, 2014

stupot07 said:
Not sure where all these 7's are coming from?! Worst performance I've seen in a long time, bar 10 minutes were dominated start to finish.

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I only put two 7s as I think the two players didn't deserve to be playing in a side full of inept performances.

It was a fucking dire game mind. First game I've seen since we've been back at the Ricoh too!

I'll be there for the Crewe game...

Otis · Sep 28, 2014

skyblue1991 said:
I only put two 7s as I think the two players didn't deserve to be playing in a side full of inept performances.

It was a fucking dire game mind. First game I've seen since we've been back at the Ricoh too!

I'll be there for the Crewe game...

I'm not sure where a 7 for Fleck is coming from. As Stupot says, our midfield was totally dominated for pretty much the entire game.

stupot07 · Sep 28, 2014

skyblue1991 said:
I only put two 7s as I think the two players didn't deserve to be playing in a side full of inept performances.

It was a fucking dire game mind. First game I've seen since we've been back at the Ricoh too!

I'll be there for the Crewe game...

Fleck was poor, he was ok with his 10 yard side and back passes, but he couldn't have completed anymore than 10% of the forward passes he tried mainly because he took too long to choose his option (as Pressley said of the whole team), plus let their midfield run past him on a number of occasions, I can't remember him making a tackle all game.

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Wyken Sky Blue · Sep 28, 2014

stupot07 said:
Fleck was poor, he was ok with his 10 yard side and back passes, but he couldn't have completed anymore than 10% of the forward passes he tried mainly because he took too long to choose his option (as Pressley said of the whole team), plus let their midfield run past him on a number of occasions, I can't remember him making a tackle all game.

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Completely forgot his poor tackling. Suppose you are right.

Where do we go from here? I'd like to say having Reda and Nouble back will help matters but only slightly.

stupot07 · Sep 28, 2014

skyblue1991 said:
Completely forgot his poor tackling. Suppose you are right.

Where do we go from here? I'd like to say having Reda and Nouble back will help matters but only slightly.

I've really got no idea, they will help, but as I said earlier in this thread a 442 with fleck and Thomas in the centre would worry me, and the centre backs have largely been good this season because there's 3 of then, so always one of them to cover.

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Otis · Sep 28, 2014

stupot07 said:
I've really got no idea, they will help, but as I said earlier in this thread a 442 with fleck and Thomas in the centre would worry me, and the centre backs have largely been good this season because there's 3 of then, so always one of them to cover.

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Yep, totally agree. 3-5-2 makes us a lot more solid, but we hardly offer any attacking threat and if we switch back to 4-4-2 i can see last year's defensive frailties coming back to haunt us once again.

Then you have to add to that, that up front I just don't think we have the same goal power we had last season with Wilson and Clarke.

Basically it doesn't look very promising at all at the moment. Hard to know which way to go with the squad.

Sky Blue Harry H · Sep 28, 2014

DazzleTommyDazzle said:
I thought that Willis, Haynes and O'Brien (in that order) did OK.

We didn't look particularly troubled in defence, but with so many players back so much of the time, I guess we shouldn't.

For me, the biggest issue was that the front two couldn't hold the ball and they were so isolated from the rest of the team. It was one of those days where you pretty quickly felt that a free kick or corner would probably be the only way we could hope to score - although for that you need to win the odd attacking free kick or corner.....

i'm not sure that I can remember a previous home game where we didn't have a single serious attempt on goal.

It is ironic that this time last year when most people could not / would not attend, we were playing fast attacking football and now that we're back we seem to have gone to the other extreme.

Agree with that - and would add that while at times the crowd could see Jordan Clarke with space on the right - a) our playesr seemed unable to find him quickly enough / or couldn't at all and b) He couldn't attack the defender when he had it (so pointless) - unlike their right winger, who offered a threat. Swanson (first half particularly left Haynes exposed by constantly drifting infield following the ball - hence lack of shape). Not sure if it's anything to do with the 'pressing' game, but at times, instead of keeping a good shape, players such as Swanson were scurrying around - conveying a general sense of aimlessness. The best teams do it with the purpose of winning the ball back quickly, so as to break up the opposition's play or catch them on the counter attack. We just looked like we were working hard, but without a plan when we did get the ball If we couldn't release Haynes yesterday, there was no other outlet.

Sky Blue Harry H · Sep 28, 2014

skyblue1991 said:
I only put two 7s as I think the two players didn't deserve to be playing in a side full of inept performances.

It was a fucking dire game mind. First game I've seen since we've been back at the Ricoh too!

I'll be there for the Crewe game...

Just in case your eyes were playing tricks - we're playing Crewe away in 2 weeks (it's Crawley at the Ricoh next week)

Otis · Sep 28, 2014

Sky Blue Harry H said:
Agree with that - and would add that while at times the crowd could see Jordan Clarke with space on the right - a) our playesr seemed unable to find him quickly enough / or couldn't at all and b) He couldn't attack the defender when he had it (so pointless) - unlike their right winger, who offered a threat. Swanson (first half particularly left Haynes exposed by constantly drifting infield following the ball - hence lack of shape). Not sure if it's anything to do with the 'pressing' game, but at times, instead of keeping a good shape, players such as Swanson were scurrying around - conveying a general sense of aimlessness. The best teams do it with the purpose of winning the ball back quickly, so as to break up the opposition's play or catch them on the counter attack. We just looked like we were working hard, but without a plan when we did get the ball If we couldn't release Haynes yesterday, there was no other outlet.

At the moment I think you'd have to say, if you shut down Haynes you shut down our entire attacking threat. Pretty much all our good stuff has come down the left hand side.

Yesterday, you are right about Clarke. There were several times when he was completely free on the right and we didn't go to him. Trouble is, when we do go to him, no-one supports the bloke down the flank and he invariably has to come inside or pass ot backwards.

Otis · Sep 28, 2014

I just noticed the stats, BBC is saying we had 51% possession. Is that right?

From what I recall the first 25 mins or so we hardly even touched the ball and in the 2nd half, as soon as they scored, they completely dominated and their fans were doing the Olé's and we were nowhere.

Only at the end when they sat back and just protected the lead and those first 6 or so mins at the start of the 2nd half, did we have any meaningful possession.

Very surprised if it was indeed 51%.

Lord_Nampil · Sep 28, 2014

time for 442!

Clarke and Haynes were pushed back as was Fleck to effectively we had a back 6 yesterday with no outlet!

Think we have to decent left sided players in Pugh and Haynes, play them both! put O'brien Right sided, with Clarke behind him!

Thing is who plays centre midfield?? Fleck Thomas Swanson all been poor! I think Finch has to be given a chance and maybe you play McQuoid in front of him in a Thorne like Diamond.....

Up top Frank and either Jackson or Miller then!

we need Johnson back his stupidness has affected the whole camp.....

Wyken Sky Blue · Sep 28, 2014

Sky Blue Harry H said:
Just in case your eyes were playing tricks - we're playing Crewe away in 2 weeks (it's Crawley at the Ricoh next week)

I did mean Crewe away I cannot make next weekends game.

TrueSkyBlueLiam · Sep 28, 2014

Alsop - 4 - Poor punches which could have landed us in serious trouble. Not much he could do about the goals
Clarke - 6 - Doesn't offer much going forward, which we cant afford whilst using the 5-3-2. If we keep the formation, we need an attacking wing back. He was good in defence tho
Willis - 7 - A rock at the back/ Good aerial presence
Webster 5 - OK, but let his man go a few times, including a run which lead to the goal line clearance
Hines - 6 - Solid performance, still has more to give
Haynes 7.5 MOM - Saved our arses on more than one occasion. Tried his best to attack but received no support
O'Brien - 6.5 - Typical O'Brien match. Works his arse off but doesn't get help when he needs it. Think he would flourish out wide. Our best player of the season so far
Swanson - 3.5 - Woeful in the 1st half, slight improvement in 2nd half. Again, I think he would do better out wide. The centre is too congested for him
Fleck - 5.5 - Decent performance, but nothing special
Tudgay - 3 - Just doesn't have the urgency. Didn't link up well with anyone. Hate to say it but he just doesn't look goo enough
Jackson - 4 - Not much better than Tudgay. Instead of fighting for the ball when he loses it, he starts huffing and puffing. Still hasn't got his fitness but not god enough. Poor control

I would drop Webster, Tudgay, Jackson and Swanson for the next game. Bring back Reda and Nouble (if he's fit). Either Daniels or Barton in midfield and Miller up front. Would like to see more of him. Hasn't really been given a chance. A game like Crawley could be one where he could show what he can do. Pressley needs to be more open to changing things around when we aren't doing well. The 5-3-2 just isn't working. He may be a great manager but he's as stubborn as a mule. Once he's made a decision, he wont change his mind

Wyken Sky Blue · Sep 28, 2014

Lord_Nampil said:
time for 442!

Clarke and Haynes were pushed back as was Fleck to effectively we had a back 6 yesterday with no outlet!

Think we have to decent left sided players in Pugh and Haynes, play them both! put O'brien Right sided, with Clarke behind him!

Thing is who plays centre midfield?? Fleck Thomas Swanson all been poor! I think Finch has to be given a chance and maybe you play McQuoid in front of him in a Thorne like Diamond.....

Up top Frank and either Jackson or Miller then!

we need Johnson back his stupidness has affected the whole camp.....

So you would play as a 4-4-2:

Allsop
Clarke
Reda
Willis
Pugh
O'Brien
Fleck
Finch/Thomas/Swanson/Couibaly
Haynes
Nouble
Jackson/Miller/McQuoid

That could work.

Lord_Nampil · Sep 28, 2014

skyblue1991 said:
So you would play as a 4-4-2:

Allsop
Clarke
Reda
Willis
Pugh
O'Brien
Fleck
Finch/Thomas/Swanson/Couibaly
Haynes
Nouble
Jackson/Miller/McQuoid

That could work.

Between Haynes and Pugh this season they have either 5 or 6 assists between them! They have to be in the team, i think McQuoid could play the roll behind the strikers better than the striking role, he moves to much to be a striker, though last yr at Peterborough he played the AMC role, i think that could be the position for him!

the 352 formation works when Redas there, but we just look solid that may get a goal, we have a squad that has players to play 442 no reason why we cant play it!

stupot07 · Sep 28, 2014

Otis said:
I just noticed the stats, BBC is saying we had 51% possession. Is that right?

From what I recall the first 25 mins or so we hardly even touched the ball and in the 2nd half, as soon as they scored, they completely dominated and their fans were doing the Olé's and we were nowhere.

Only at the end when they sat back and just protected the lead and those first 6 or so mins at the start of the 2nd half, did we have any meaningful possession.

Very surprised if it was indeed 51%.

Says 41% on sky.

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