TomRad85
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I don't understand what you're saying?
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2goals last season, perfection,if they were scored by hamer or Sheaf that's all, I think Sheaf managed 4this or last year!
Nuskyblue
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How do you get that from those stats?
That is textbook, reading whatever you want from a statistic. MR has mentioned it enough times that our defending hasn’t been good enough, giving up 9 shots in the box against Ipswich is not all Collins fault.
Our defending last season was so much better and we had Ben Wilson in goal who equally had the ‘doesn’t command his area’ trope thrown his way. In fact, the only goalie in years gone by who has had control of it was Stockdale according to fans.
Wilson will have played behind a back 5 for more games, Colin's came in around the time we started playing four at the back didn't he. We'd have been more open because of this.
We actually played OK at the start of the season despite the points return.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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It's a fair point, but at least he has some assists. The one for Wright's goal a few weeks ago was lovely. There's a few other midfielders that have none, or next to none in the assist category. I know this metric can be hard to measure sometimes, but we need better supply on that next year.
TomRad85
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Eccles is averaging 1 a season, which let's be honest, is rubbish. I think Sheaf should chip in with more too tbh but even he is ahead of Eccles.
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His stats across the board are impressive. Key passes, assists, passing accuracy, tackles won and average rating. All on top of the fact that he’s played second most number of minutes
I’ve given up on those that just don’t see what a good player he is. Great season
skybluecam
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That doesn’t include FA Cup, it’s Championship only. Thomas has played 4,130 mins this season, the equivalent of 46 90s.
Mucca Mad Boys
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There’s that and we defended way better as a team last season. Collins has had a bad end to the season and that’s took the focus away from our defensive effort as a whole.
Our defence hasn’t been good enough compared to last season, even when we played 3-4-1-2. We concede too chances as a team and MR knows that, he’s mentioned it several times now. Hence, we apparently want to sign 2 CBs and an LB this summer (according to Saddles).
Some people think he's a league one player, it's absolutely nuts.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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Eccles needs to up his scoring game for sure. That would be one target for him. Looking at assists though, he's contributing well even with a few corners sprinkled in. Other midfielders assist wise: Torp, Kelly, Allen on 1 (none of them have played that much). Sheaf: 0.
Need more creativity from midfield next season as well as goals. That was something we were blessed with Hamer.
TomRad85
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Well I agree with you on this, personally I find Sheaf and Eccles playing together a bit, I think bland is harsh, but you know what I mean... safe maybe.
For me it's one or the other, and a Hamer type.
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He's a holding midfield player. No one complains about Bidwell's scoring record
TomRad85
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I know you thinking Eccles is the second coming is a bit of a forum meme now. Again everyone has their favourites so whatever, fair play to you... but his goalscoring is crap, he doesn't sit in the middle all game long and will often find himself on the edge of the box. This is his shooting...
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Skybluekyle
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I think a helpful comparison after attempted passes would be the amount of progressive/forward passes, as this would give a better representation, as forward passes are obviously much more likely to be intercepted than sideways or backwards passes.
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shmmeee
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Think so. Think he could have had a couple more off the right if he was braver. I still feel he’s lacking in confidence in some areas.
shmmeee
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TomRad85
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Yeh I think when we were playing wing backs you'd hope they'd chip in more than Bidwell was. As traditional full backs, it would be nice but I'd not really expect it too much. Assists yes.
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Mucca Mad Boys
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Interesting, don’t you think?
Hobo
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Eccles has really improved this season and no reason why he can't improve further next year, just like Gyokeres, Hamer and Sheaf has improved over time.
People moan about his corners and crosses which have been mixed. But he is also sometimes the victim of good defending. I can often see what he is trying to to achieve.
Eccles and Sheaf are guilty of going for power in shooting rather than hit the target (but a common problem even in Premier League).
I think Eccles has the potential to be as good if not better than Sheaf.
People moan about his corners and crosses which have been mixed. But he is also sometimes the victim of good defending. I can often see what he is trying to to achieve.
Eccles and Sheaf are guilty of going for power in shooting rather than hit the target (but a common problem even in Premier League).
I think Eccles has the potential to be as good if not better than Sheaf.
OldBedrocker
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2 of which were harsh
Get bobby Mac back,knew where the net was, must have been a wingback early doors him!
The watchmaker
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Not sure that argument checks out. We were shocking at the beginning of the season when we played a 5. Then settled down a bit when we moved to a back 4 with MvE, Thomas, Kitching and Bidwell looking solid for a spell.
Not sure we should read too much into these keeping stats as there are many different factors at play. An expected saves stat might be interesting but to be honest we have seen them both play as have Robins/Adi etc and it is a position they will be looking at ahead of next season.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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He took penalties for them.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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I often find the stats used quite arbitrary. For example why is stuff like shooting and passing done as percentages, but aerial duels is just a number. Surely the thing you want to know is how likely they are to win the duel?
Nuskyblue
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I think it does, we weren't bad, I'm fairness we weren't great either but were definitely better than our points return. There were a lot of games where we had the better chances but still contrived to draw or loose. Our miss firing front line, partly to blame. We seemed to be less error prone at the back also.
The games against Sunderland, Norwich, Watford and Huddersfield all spring to mind.
But yea not much in the stats. I think Colins is better but he has lost his confidence. Not to dissimilar to Moore in his first season. Hopefully it does not continue into next season!
stupot07
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He tries to break the net too much. The one he skied on Saturday he should have buried but tried to smash it into next week.