Please not more wilderness years. (1 Viewer)

blunted

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Alert, this may go on a bit, as is my wont, so if you are the type of person who only copes with the odd paragraph, please feel free to jog on now, and please no Parklife.
Hands up, I am a Cassandra, I always fear the worst, but am rarely proved wrong in the long run.
As background, I come from a family that has supported Coventry (almost but not quite) from the very early days of our inauguration. I was brought up with stories of Clarrie Bourton and how the war ruined (one of our great teams) a chance at the top league. I have watched the City from the age of five (with an orange box), either going to every home match paying in, or as a season ticket holder (only missing one year when Butcher was in charge and when SISU took us out of my town). I was one of the 8k that soldiered on at Highfield Rd. I used to always go away but that has now stopped, as other commitments cut in. We were a family who major events and holidays had to fit around matches. I have passed the disease on to my son and that is how it should be.
Being an old git and somewhat curmudgeon, I guess I have seen quite a lot of comings and goings. From the disruptive innovation of Jimmy Hill, the good cop bad cop of George and John which I believe was mirrored by Mark and Adi. I have suffered the wilderness years and I really do not want them back again.
It is in the human DNA to think yesterday was better and tomorrow is going to be worse. However, I believe we are at a tipping point where the success of the last seven years has ground to a halt and could go either way. It is crucial that we get it right from now onwards or mediocrity and maybe worse beckons.
There always used to be threads “Are we a big club”? Looks like the CBS might be too small if we got promoted. If you think small like SISU (20k capacity), you become small.
The ball sits firmly at the feet of Doug King and he needs to make the right decisions on the football side of the club, as he has with the commercial side.
The Manager/Head Coach is where success springs from. Everything else follows. Liverpool's modern success stems from Shankly with few missteps along the way apart from Evans and Rodgers.
We should be as big or bigger than Brighton or Brentford the model we are trying to emulate. Owning our own ground will always be a drag on our resources, but if we ever reach the Prem we may be able to address this. An Arab prince would help.
This is not a dig at Lamps as he has inherited a very unbalanced squad, with few leaders, that lacks grit and experience. Arne Slot said judge him after 18 games and that is a yardstick for Lamps with the current players and one transfer window.
It is over to King really whether he sells players, invests in the squad or appoints the promised Director of Football. Is he going to turn us around with the right decisions or lead us back to the wilderness years?
 

Gint11

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Alert, this may go on a bit, as is my wont, so if you are the type of person who only copes with the odd paragraph, please feel free to jog on now, and please no Parklife.
Hands up, I am a Cassandra, I always fear the worst, but am rarely proved wrong in the long run.
As background, I come from a family that has supported Coventry (almost but not quite) from the very early days of our inauguration. I was brought up with stories of Clarrie Bourton and how the war ruined (one of our great teams) a chance at the top league. I have watched the City from the age of five (with an orange box), either going to every home match paying in, or as a season ticket holder (only missing one year when Butcher was in charge and when SISU took us out of my town). I was one of the 8k that soldiered on at Highfield Rd. I used to always go away but that has now stopped, as other commitments cut in. We were a family who major events and holidays had to fit around matches. I have passed the disease on to my son and that is how it should be.
Being an old git and somewhat curmudgeon, I guess I have seen quite a lot of comings and goings. From the disruptive innovation of Jimmy Hill, the good cop bad cop of George and John which I believe was mirrored by Mark and Adi. I have suffered the wilderness years and I really do not want them back again.
It is in the human DNA to think yesterday was better and tomorrow is going to be worse. However, I believe we are at a tipping point where the success of the last seven years has ground to a halt and could go either way. It is crucial that we get it right from now onwards or mediocrity and maybe worse beckons.
There always used to be threads “Are we a big club”? Looks like the CBS might be too small if we got promoted. If you think small like SISU (20k capacity), you become small.
The ball sits firmly at the feet of Doug King and he needs to make the right decisions on the football side of the club, as he has with the commercial side.
The Manager/Head Coach is where success springs from. Everything else follows. Liverpool's modern success stems from Shankly with few missteps along the way apart from Evans and Rodgers.
We should be as big or bigger than Brighton or Brentford the model we are trying to emulate. Owning our own ground will always be a drag on our resources, but if we ever reach the Prem we may be able to address this. An Arab prince would help.
This is not a dig at Lamps as he has inherited a very unbalanced squad, with few leaders, that lacks grit and experience. Arne Slot said judge him after 18 games and that is a yardstick for Lamps with the current players and one transfer window.
It is over to King really whether he sells players, invests in the squad or appoints the promised Director of Football. Is he going to turn us around with the right decisions or lead us back to the wilderness years?
18 games isn’t enough either. This is robins squad who we now know aren’t generally good enough OR they are but for some reason, have a weak mentality and zero confidence. FL needs a couple of windows at least.
 

blunted

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18 games isn’t enough either. This is robins squad who we now know aren’t generally good enough OR they are but for some reason, have a weak mentality and zero confidence. FL needs a couple of windows at least.
Maybe, but he should improve on Robins record during that time.
 

Jay Cee

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I think King has caused our current issues it's all promise and potential with very little actual. We started the season with only 1 person who had been there and done across the playing and coaching staff, namely Mark Robins. Doug is chasing a quick profit on every asset and got greedy too soon, panicked, backed the wrong horse in Dean Austin and now we are in a right royal mess. We had a lot of promising talent but not the right blend of experience to nurture it. Now we have a lot of broken young players. I too fear a return to the wilderness.

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Boicey

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I think King has caused our current issues it's all promise and potential with very little actual. We started the season with only 1 person who had been there and done across the playing and coaching staff, namely Mark Robins. Doug is chasing a quick profit on every asset and got greedy too soon, panicked, backed the wrong horse in Dean Austin and now we are in a right royal mess. We had a lot of promising talent but not the right blend of experience to nurture it. Now we have a lot of broken young players. I too fear a return to the wilderness.

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Dean Austin was Robin's choice.
Mark Robins, Coventry City Manager, said: “Dean brings a wealth of experience across football to the club in what will be an important role for us both in the short term, looking to the January transfer window, and longer term as we look to continue the development of our football club and team"
 

Jay Cee

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Dean Austin was Robin's choice.
Mark Robins, Coventry City Manager, said: “Dean brings a wealth of experience across football to the club in what will be an important role for us both in the short term, looking to the January transfer window, and longer term as we look to continue the development of our football club and team"
Agreed he was but it looks like he turned on him to me. I'd be happy to see him go.

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bigfatronssba

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I think King has caused our current issues it's all promise and potential with very little actual. We started the season with only 1 person who had been there and done across the playing and coaching staff, namely Mark Robins. Doug is chasing a quick profit on every asset and got greedy too soon, panicked, backed the wrong horse in Dean Austin and now we are in a right royal mess. We had a lot of promising talent but not the right blend of experience to nurture it. Now we have a lot of broken young players. I too fear a return to the wilderness.

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If Doug was chasing a quick profit he would’ve pocketed the money from Gyokeres and Hamer
 

Jay Cee

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Why does it look like he turned on him?
I'm paraphrasing a bit here as I can't quote word for word but Doug was asked at the fans forum who's decision it was to sack Mark Robins and Doug replied ' The boards'. He was then asked who the board was. Interestingly and in my book a little oddly replied 'me'. He then went on to say that on some things he may ask the opinions of Dean and Claire . I'm guessing that at least one of those didn't back Mark. I've no doubt Dean Austin has some great patter Mark Robins and Doug are no fools. And it may not be entirely down to the list of scouted players. But to me the mix of experience to potentially has been wrong for a while now.

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shmmeee

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18 games isn’t enough either. This is robins squad who we now know aren’t generally good enough OR they are but for some reason, have a weak mentality and zero confidence. FL needs a couple of windows at least.

Easiest job in football.
 

shmmeee

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Dean Austin was Robin's choice.
Mark Robins, Coventry City Manager, said: “Dean brings a wealth of experience across football to the club in what will be an important role for us both in the short term, looking to the January transfer window, and longer term as we look to continue the development of our football club and team"

Nowhere in there does it say he was Robins choice.
 

Earlsdon-Loyal-Blue

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I think King has caused our current issues it's all promise and potential with very little actual. We started the season with only 1 person who had been there and done across the playing and coaching staff, namely Mark Robins. Doug is chasing a quick profit on every asset and got greedy too soon, panicked, backed the wrong horse in Dean Austin and now we are in a right royal mess. We had a lot of promising talent but not the right blend of experience to nurture it. Now we have a lot of broken young players. I too fear a return to the wilderness.

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We ARE going back to the Dowie, Coleman, Bothroyd years, circling around the drain for relegation or at best aiming for 17th position each year.

The first season Robins didn’t improve on our League position was 2024 where we had the best FA Cup run in decades… I doubt we will see YOY improvements over 7 years like we have done, ever again. Some of our fans are fucking ungrateful degenerates and are going to have a harsh reminder of how wank it was before Robins… really fallen out of love with CCFC.
 

Skybluedownunder

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Alert, this may go on a bit, as is my wont, so if you are the type of person who only copes with the odd paragraph, please feel free to jog on now, and please no Parklife.
Hands up, I am a Cassandra, I always fear the worst, but am rarely proved wrong in the long run.
As background, I come from a family that has supported Coventry (almost but not quite) from the very early days of our inauguration. I was brought up with stories of Clarrie Bourton and how the war ruined (one of our great teams) a chance at the top league. I have watched the City from the age of five (with an orange box), either going to every home match paying in, or as a season ticket holder (only missing one year when Butcher was in charge and when SISU took us out of my town). I was one of the 8k that soldiered on at Highfield Rd. I used to always go away but that has now stopped, as other commitments cut in. We were a family who major events and holidays had to fit around matches. I have passed the disease on to my son and that is how it should be.
Being an old git and somewhat curmudgeon, I guess I have seen quite a lot of comings and goings. From the disruptive innovation of Jimmy Hill, the good cop bad cop of George and John which I believe was mirrored by Mark and Adi. I have suffered the wilderness years and I really do not want them back again.
It is in the human DNA to think yesterday was better and tomorrow is going to be worse. However, I believe we are at a tipping point where the success of the last seven years has ground to a halt and could go either way. It is crucial that we get it right from now onwards or mediocrity and maybe worse beckons.
There always used to be threads “Are we a big club”? Looks like the CBS might be too small if we got promoted. If you think small like SISU (20k capacity), you become small.
The ball sits firmly at the feet of Doug King and he needs to make the right decisions on the football side of the club, as he has with the commercial side.
The Manager/Head Coach is where success springs from. Everything else follows. Liverpool's modern success stems from Shankly with few missteps along the way apart from Evans and Rodgers.
We should be as big or bigger than Brighton or Brentford the model we are trying to emulate. Owning our own ground will always be a drag on our resources, but if we ever reach the Prem we may be able to address this. An Arab prince would help.
This is not a dig at Lamps as he has inherited a very unbalanced squad, with few leaders, that lacks grit and experience. Arne Slot said judge him after 18 games and that is a yardstick for Lamps with the current players and one transfer window.
It is over to King really whether he sells players, invests in the squad or appoints the promised Director of Football. Is he going to turn us around with the right decisions or lead us back to the wilderness years?

PARK LIFE! (couldn’t resist sorry)


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torchomatic

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Maybe, but he should improve on Robins record during that time.

Well, not according to those who wanted Robins out. They said they were more than happy to be worse under the new guy.
 

Esoterica

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I think we’ll be absolutely fucked in 2 years again unless Doug rubs his magic Lamps and a genie pops out. Season tickets will be well down next year, millions wasted in new signings with no obvious superstar to cash in on, a squad on much higher overall wages than on our return to the Championship.

We’ll be back to haemorrhaging cash again, Doug will be in hiding while he tries desperately to find new investors/owners, and we’ll be stuck here debating whether he was actually worse than SISU or not.
 

djr8369

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I think we’ll be absolutely fucked in 2 years again unless Doug rubs his magic Lamps and a genie pops out. Season tickets will be well down next year, millions wasted in new signings with no obvious superstar to cash in on, a squad on much higher overall wages than on our return to the Championship.

We’ll be back to haemorrhaging cash again, Doug will be in hiding while he tries desperately to find new investors/owners, and we’ll be stuck here debating whether he was actually worse than SISU or not.
If ST sales drop much I do think we could be in trouble. King has tried to get every pound he can from the fan base to meet increased wages.
 

djr8369

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I think King has caused our current issues it's all promise and potential with very little actual. We started the season with only 1 person who had been there and done across the playing and coaching staff, namely Mark Robins. Doug is chasing a quick profit on every asset and got greedy too soon, panicked, backed the wrong horse in Dean Austin and now we are in a right royal mess. We had a lot of promising talent but not the right blend of experience to nurture it. Now we have a lot of broken young players. I too fear a return to the wilderness.

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King is far from perfect but he saw the potential in the club, did everything Robins wanted, and Robins then fell out with Vivesh. It all spiralled from there.

I know everyone wants someone to blame but it’s a series of unfortunate events compound by multiple decisions that turned out to be poor.
 

Sky Blue Harry H

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Hands up, I am a Cassandra, I always fear the worst, but am rarely proved wrong in the long run.

Unless you follow a Real Madrid, Liverpool etc, there is an inevitability that in the long run, the football club you follow will do well, will do badly, and will do 'middle of the road'. I have had similar discussions with fellow City fans before and after games, that there is 'no final destination' following your team; it is just a series of made and shared memories (good, bad and indifferent). It is also about friendships and relationships made with fellow fans. You can hug strangers one minute, yet feel like giving the same people a slap when you hear some outrageous drivel (I'm guilty too) usually spouted out of frustration. To give an example of another team - Leicester City won the Premier League (gritted teeth); however a few seasons later their forum wants to string up half of their players/managers etc. Things change, so just enjoy the good times, and hunker down when the going gets tough. Whatever. defend your club's name to the maximum; it's far easier to destroy something than build it up. PUSB!
 

Ashdown

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It’s really not an impossible task. We need to clear out some of the obvious dross, (although that may well come with a cost now due to contract obligations ) and start to build an affordable team based on what the squad needs. We need to effectively use the loan market again and look at characters who have a winning mentality to bring some steel.
I blame whoever decided to get rid of Lawrence and Viveash and bring in a plethora of clowns sitting there with their tablets.
We need to address the spine of the team, a solid centre back, tough tackling leader in the midfield and a striker who can head the ball as well as lead the line.
 

pusbccfc

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Good to see people aren't suffering from New Year misery.
 

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