Point per game table (1 Viewer)

Fergusons_Beard · May 2, 2020

Sorry if this been posted but I couldn’t see it.

If league was scrapped then table based on Points per game we’d still be fine... not Sunderland though

See the League One table if it came to being based on PPG (points per game) should the season get cancelled…

Coventry City – 1.970

Rotherham United – 1.771
↑ Wycombe Wanderers – 1.735
↓ Oxford United – 1.714
↓ Portsmouth – 1.714
↓ Fleetwood Town – 1.714
↓ Peterborough United – 1.685
↓ Sunderland – 1.638

Doncaster Rovers – 1.588
↑ Gillingham – 1.457
↓ Ipswich Town – 1.444

Burton Albion – 1.37

Blackpool – 1.285

Bristol Rovers – 1.285
↑ Shrewsbury Town – 1.205
↓ Lincoln City – 1.200

Accrington Stanley – 1.142
↑ Rochdale – 1.058
↓ MK Dons – 1.057

AFC Wimbledon – 1

Tranmere Rovers – 0.941

Southend – 0.542

Bolton Wanderers – 0.764

Bolton have taken an average 0.764 points per game – which is higher than Southend – but their 12-point deduction for going into administration would place them bottom.

Play offs scrapped and just autos for promotion-matched with same number for relegation.

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Speedies_Chips · May 2, 2020

Would they do a separate PPG calculation for home and away? That would seem more fair.

eg Say it's a 24 game season (for arguments sake) - You've got 40 points from 20 games so far (therefore 2 ppg) and you have played all your 12 home games and got 30 points from them at 2.5 ppg, and 10 points from 8 away games at 1.25 ppg.

So although youve averaged 2 ppg overall, you should only be awarded 5 more points for the 4 remaining away games rather than 8.

(or have I spent too much time in isolation?)

play_in_skyblue_stripes · May 2, 2020

Yes this has been done before in other threads .

Here are my calculations for League 1.
RK_CurrPos - Position as of now
RK_PPG_GD - Ranking based on applying Points Per Game and also predicted Goal Difference
RK_PPGha_GD - Ranking based on Points Per Game in home and away games and factor that in a teams remaining home and away games
RK_TD00 - Ranking based on making all remaining games set to a Nil - Nil Draw.
Also list predicted points total for those three ranking methods.
As it shows hardly any changes, apart from Wycombe who go third instead of Oxford on PPG but they are finish below Oxford in home and away factored in.

PPG is much fairer if based on home and away games in my view.

I also have this available for other Engish leagues plus a really obsure German league called Oberliga Niedersachsen. So if you want to know the impact on any of your favourite Oberliga Niedersachsen. teams such as FT Braunschweig ,Spelle-Venhaus or BW Tündern then let me know!

Magwitch · May 2, 2020

play_in_skyblue_stripes said:
Yes this has been done before in other threads .

Here are my calculations for League 1.
RK_CurrPos - Position as of now
RK_PPG_GD - Ranking based on applying Points Per Game and also predicted Goal Difference
RK_PPGha_GD - Ranking based on Points Per Game in home and away games and factor that in a teams remaining home and away games
RK_TD00 - Ranking based on making all remaining games set to a Nil - Nil Draw.
Also list predicted points total for those three ranking methods.
As it shows hardly any changes, apart from Wycombe who go third instead of Oxford on PPG but they are finish below Oxford in home and away factored in.

PPG is much fairer if based on home and away games in my view.

I also have this available for other Engish leagues plus a really obsure German league called Oberliga Niedersachsen. So if you want to know the impact on any of your favourite Oberliga Niedersachsen. teams such as FT Braunschweig ,Spelle-Venhaus or BW Tündern then let me know!

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Fuckin’ hell I assume you are isolated at home !
If they go ppg it sure won’t be complicated simply as it says points per game average won’t matter if teams have played more at home than away. In our division it puts Wycombe third lucky for them if they decide to promote third place but in fairness to them they were flying until December then had a massive wobble round Christmas time but did recover a bit just before the season stopped.

eastwoodsdustman · May 2, 2020

Magwitch said:
Fuckin’ hell I assume you are isolated at home !
If they go ppg it sure won’t be complicated simply as it says points per game average won’t matter if teams have played more at home than away. In our division it puts Wycombe third lucky for them if they decide to promote third place but in fairness to them they were flying until December then had a massive wobble round Christmas time but did recover a bit just before the season stopped.

I’d be happy if they go up. One relegation place taken and 6points for us next year

Happy_Martian · May 2, 2020

While we might be happy with any of the proposals to end the season with the exception of voiding it, it'd definitely be Wycombe who would be screaming for PPG to be used. 8th place on points, 3rd on PPG. I can see Oxford, Fleetwood and Peterborough appealing if they lose out on top 3 (assuming top 3 are promoted) and Wycombe arguing if any other solution is used.

Legia Sky Blue · May 2, 2020

Another complicating factor is that Wycombe's game in hand is away to us. To go above Oxford, Portsmouth and Fleetwood they would have had to beat us, or draw with us to get ahead of Peterborough with everyone played 35 games. The play off situation in our league is the most complicated factor if it is cancelled and not treated as null and void, with an arbitrary ruling made on deciding final positions likely to lead to litigation from some quarter or other.

SlowerThanPlatt · May 2, 2020

Wycombe’s away form (4 wins from 16) is also significantly worse than their home form (13 wins from 18) - they have 4 home games remaining but 6 away games

skybluetony176 · May 3, 2020

Fergusons_Beard said:
Sorry if this been posted but I couldn’t see it.

If league was scrapped then table based on Points per game we’d still be fine... not Sunderland though

See the League One table if it came to being based on PPG (points per game) should the season get cancelled…

Coventry City – 1.970

Rotherham United – 1.771
↑ Wycombe Wanderers – 1.735
↓ Oxford United – 1.714
↓ Portsmouth – 1.714
↓ Fleetwood Town – 1.714
↓ Peterborough United – 1.685
↓ Sunderland – 1.638

Doncaster Rovers – 1.588
↑ Gillingham – 1.457
↓ Ipswich Town – 1.444

Burton Albion – 1.37

Blackpool – 1.285

Bristol Rovers – 1.285
↑ Shrewsbury Town – 1.205
↓ Lincoln City – 1.200

Accrington Stanley – 1.142
↑ Rochdale – 1.058
↓ MK Dons – 1.057

AFC Wimbledon – 1

Tranmere Rovers – 0.941

Southend – 0.542

Bolton Wanderers – 0.764

Bolton have taken an average 0.764 points per game – which is higher than Southend – but their 12-point deduction for going into administration would place them bottom.

Play offs scrapped and just autos for promotion-matched with same number for relegation.

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The basic premise of that is that it changes nothing other than who plays who in the playoffs. I wonder how that translates to the championship and league two? If it’s the same then surely there’s a case to call the season based on current league positions. No relegation from league two to non league, no promotion from non league to league two, have the playoffs behind closed doors and have relegations as it stands between the championship and league one and league one and league two.
The only other option as I see it is cancel next season and finish this season of when deemed safe.

Tommo1993 · May 3, 2020

On PPG, top 3 teams promoted, no relegations. More relegation spots the following season.

Personally I don’t see any difference between nullifying this season to prepare for the mysteriously distant next season - and just waiting and carrying on with 19/20. Either way, player contracts would be up in the air. Whatever happens will not please everybody. And none of us will physically be at a game for the rest of this year. Ipswich away is a very distant memory.

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · May 3, 2020

Tommo1993 said:
On PPG, top 3 teams promoted, no relegations. More relegation spots the following season.

Personally I don’t see any difference between nullifying this season to prepare for the mysteriously distant next season - and just waiting and carrying on with 19/20. Either way, player contracts would be up in the air. Whatever happens will not please everybody. And none of us will physically be at a game for the rest of this year. Ipswich away is a very distant memory.

But as has been pointed out with PPG Wycombe go up, even though they're outside the playoffs as it stands. Plus they have more away games than home and their away form is much worse.

Speedies_Chips · May 3, 2020

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
But as has been pointed out with PPG Wycombe go up, even though they're outside the playoffs as it stands. Plus they have more away games than home and their away form is much worse.

Yep, that is why I was wondering if having separate ppg for home and away would be fairer.

Tommo1993 · May 3, 2020

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
But as has been pointed out with PPG Wycombe go up, even though they're outside the playoffs as it stands. Plus they have more away games than home and their away form is much worse.

There’s a flaw to pretty much all possibilities. Like I said, they won’t be able to please everyone with whatever they choose. If the season is completed by default, it will be based on merit. The team at the top are there deservedly so!

rob9872 · May 3, 2020

Most cause controversy, hopefully they'll just go 2 up zero down and 5 relegation next year.

Tommo1993 · May 3, 2020

Did anybody see that article about the voice message that was apparently leaked by a Bristol Rovers player? Leaked WhatsApp message - full transcript of explosive call that could shape football season

Warwickhunt · May 3, 2020

Start a new season with the points you currently have! that will keep em all happy (NOT!)

Sick Boy · May 3, 2020

Happy_Martian said:
While we might be happy with any of the proposals to end the season with the exception of voiding it, it'd definitely be Wycombe who would be screaming for PPG to be used. 8th place on points, 3rd on PPG. I can see Oxford, Fleetwood and Peterborough appealing if they lose out on top 3 (assuming top 3 are promoted) and Wycombe arguing if any other solution is used.

They do have a game in hand though, if they’d beaten us then they’d have gone 3rd I think, it’s not like they’re miles away anyway.

rob9872 · May 3, 2020

Equally you could argue we'd have beaten them as we have loads in a row including 4-1 at their place not yio long ago whee they're fairly formidable and dont travel well. Would be harsh on others if they got 3rd. Hopefully we can all finish games and it becomes immaterial.

Sick Boy · May 3, 2020

rob9872 said:
Equally you could argue we'd have beaten them as we have loads in a row including 4-1 at their place not yio long ago whee they're fairly formidable and dont travel well. Would be harsh on others if they got 3rd. Hopefully we can all finish games and it becomes immaterial.

It shows it’s not majorly unfair on others though as they have a game in hand on the others and going on about them jumping from 8th to 3rd and it being unfair makes it seems like they’re far behind the rest when in reality they’re not at all.

nmp2327 · May 3, 2020

Perhaps use PPG, top 2 go up automatically, next 4 have a round of play offs to sort out 3rd spot. That way only a handful of games required to finish the season and all of them meaningful to sides involved. My concern otherwise is what incentive is there for the teams with nothing to play for as the bottom half down us virtually sorted so why would a player put themselves at risk when the need is pointless. Plus if the total amount of games left to be played currently there is no way this season can be concluded. At least this way the season comes to an end and at some point when total safe we start again. Keep safe and healthy everyone. PUSB

thekidfromstrettoncamp · May 3, 2020

Speedies_Chips said:
Yep, that is why I was wondering if having separate ppg for home and away would be fairer.

You are right like me and others on here have been saying you would have to do home and away seperate to be fair .Take Wycombe if you extend their PPG average at home over the full season they would get 51 points do the same with their away games 23points 74 in total.Do Oxford's in the same way 46 home 29 away 75 points.

Mcbean · May 3, 2020

Ppg yes oh dear Scumberland didn’t make it - shame eh

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