Poll - Who is to blame? (2 Viewers)

Houchens Head · Dec 5, 2013

Skyblueweeman said:
Err....how do you create a poll?

Cheers,

Wee (technophobe) Man

Click on "Forums", select which type of thread (Cov City General Chat, Other Sports etc), then select "Post New Thread", scroll down to "additional options" and select "Post a Poll". From there, you can enter your choices for answers.
Look forward to the poll you put up!

wingy · Dec 5, 2013

Should have been One for the trust ,Just for PSGM1 ,TBF there Is going to be one nutter that ticks the bottom choice ........................Is'nt there????????????

RoboCCFC90 · Dec 5, 2013

wingy said:
Should have been One for the trust ,Just for PSGM1 ,TBF there Is going to be one nutter that ticks the bottom choice ........................Is'nt there????????????

RFC in PSGM1's new alias..

One thinks he can fool us

mrtrench · Dec 5, 2013

Would be nice to see the attribution if you included Bryan Richardson in there.

RegTheDonk · Dec 5, 2013

Interesting that of 70 plus votes, nobody so far blames the council 100%

wingy · Dec 5, 2013

RegTheDonk said:
Interesting that of 70 plus votes, nobody so far blames the council 100%

Wait for Grendel to Log in , that should seal It.:facepalm:

RoboCCFC90 · Dec 5, 2013

RegTheDonk said:
Interesting that of 70 plus votes, nobody so far blames the council 100%

I don't think anyone has ever said Sisu are free of any blame in fairness.

mark_ccfc · Dec 5, 2013

Nick said:
What happens if you think multiple people are to blame?

I meant one vote each. The whole story of how we got here is long and complicated involving lots of people over the years, but the current situation involves only CCC, ACL, SISU and the FL.

I tried to not overcomplicate the vote so I left the FL out as really, despite the noises they have made in the past about not allowing this kind of situation, they are pretty powerless in the face of large financial concerns like SISU. I just wished they wouldn't make rash promises.

I kept the vote simple so that most people could find an option which was closest to them. I for instance am a 90% SISU 10% council opinion so I chose the nearest option which was 100% SISU 0% CCC/ACL.

I think at the end of the day SISU are the blockage to the team returning to the Ricoh so they need removing. But even if they were to go tomorrow, the council needs a good sort out as well as the team obviously need greater revenues and the setup needs sorting so that the team can never be used as a bargaining pawn ever again.

Skyblueweeman · Dec 5, 2013

Houchens Head said:
Click on "Forums", select which type of thread (Cov City General Chat, Other Sports etc), then select "Post New Thread", scroll down to "additional options" and select "Post a Poll". From there, you can enter your choices for answers.
Look forward to the poll you put up!

Cheers HH.

WM

covcity4life · Dec 5, 2013

ahah 47 WUMS. not 1% blame for council lulz

Mary_Mungo_Midge · Dec 5, 2013

Some peoples cluelessness is stupefying.

Is there anyone left in the world who doesn't think this is about SISU getting their hands on the freehold of the Ricoh?

ACL have built up a tidy business in many non-football related areas. Why therefore should they gift this to another commercial party at a reduced price? And if they don't want, not need to sell, and have withstood what appeared to be a clear distressing process; how can they be 'to blame'?

If SISU want revenues an everything they keep bleating on about; just build this new stadium. They can have the lot. ACL/CCC aren't preventing this in any context. How can they be 'to blame'?

italiahorse · Dec 5, 2013

covcity4life said:
ahah 47 WUMS. not 1% blame for council lulz

Maths not your subject. That option is not available.
Its nearer to 100% than 75% for me so I go to the nearest.

italiahorse · Dec 5, 2013

In business you charge as much as you can to maximise profits.
If your customer is not happy then they need to renegotiate a new deal.
The only blame that can be placed on ACL is 'if' they didn't accept the SISU renegotiations. Until that is known its 100% SISU at fault for me.

shmmeee · Dec 5, 2013

covcity4life said:
ahah 47 WUMS. not 1% blame for council lulz

What was that about thinking people with a different view to you must be WUMs?

This is 100% Sisu's doing, they own the club, the buck stops with them.

skybluetom · Dec 5, 2013

Astute said:
I am glad for you that we are in a much better place than when they took us over.

I agree, hence for that reason I said they have to take their fair share of the blame but in reality we're no worse off than when they arrived. To say they're 100% to blame is ludicrous.

skybluetom · Dec 5, 2013

RoboCCFC90 said:
There isn't enough options on the poll of the list of people to blame for our mess:

Sisu
Richardson
CCCouncil
ACL
Robinson/McGinnity
Gordan Strachan

Spot on. Can add Coleman and Ranson to that list.

shmmeee · Dec 5, 2013

skybluetom said:
I agree, hence for that reason I said they have to take their fair share of the blame but in reality we're no worse off than when they arrived. To say they're 100% to blame is ludicrous.

Why?

They made the decision (firstly, I assume we're talking about "this situation" as meaning playing League 1 games in Northampton in tens of millions of debt) to buy us, what to spend each year, when to cut the budget, who to hire as manager and to go on the rent strike and to move from Coventry. No-one else forced those decisions onto them, they are Sisu's "business strategy". They had plenty of options open to them at each step and chose these ones. How is it not 100% their fault?

skybluetom · Dec 5, 2013

James Smith said:
The last lot may have been financial basket cases, and a few other things as well but they didn't move us 35 miles away from our city, our home, to Northampton.

They didn't. What they did however is move us to a ground paying the largest flat rate rate of any club in the country at that time and then proceeded to sell all rights to any income for 6 million quid. It wouldn't have taken a genius to foresee that we were going to end up in an horrendous mess one day.

skybluetom · Dec 5, 2013

shmmeee said:
Why?

They made the decision (firstly, I assume we're talking about "this situation" as meaning playing League 1 games in Northampton in tens of millions of debt) to buy us, what to spend each year, when to cut the budget, who to hire as manager and to go on the rent strike and to move from Coventry. No-one else forced those decisions onto them, they are Sisu's "business strategy". They had plenty of options open to them at each step and chose these ones. How is it not 100% their fault?

They should never have got involved in the first place; I think they've admitted as much. It was a huge error in buying us in the first place and they no doubt regret it now but they only repeated the mistakes of previous regimes; ie spending money we don't have paying shit players fortunes and not buying the Arena. The club was bust and heading this way when they arrived, that's why the whole episode can't be blamed on them.

mrtrench · Dec 5, 2013

skybluetom said:
Spot on. Can add Coleman and Ranson to that list.

Coleman and Ranson? Why?

Coleman was just a manager doing his best. He didn't make any financial decisions.

We have Ranson to thanks for the young team we have now. I'd have him back tomorrow.

skybluetom · Dec 5, 2013

mrtrench said:
Coleman and Ranson? Why?

Coleman was just a manager doing his best. He didn't make any financial decisions.

We have Ranson to thanks for the young team we have now. I'd have him back tomorrow.

Coleman was a moron who took a relatively good side and nearly get them relegated. Remember some of the players we had then? Westwood, Gunna, Fox, Scott Dann, Ben Turner, Mifsud, Jack Cork, Jordon Henderson just off the top of my head. Look at that team now; he nearly got it relegated and the brand of football he played was absolutely appalling.

It was Ranson who appointed and subsequently wouldn't fire Coleman which was a huge mistake. It was him that made the decision not to buy the Arena, instead making clear he was more interested in the squad which was a massive error which helped cultivate our current situation. The club at it's height of his reign was losing 500k per month (on what god only knows) and by the time 2012 came round that appalling squad that ultimately got relegated under Thorn had an annual wage bill of 8.7 million pounds. To put that into perspective Yeovil's current wage bill is around 700k; Ranson admittedly had gone by '21 but he signed most of those players. No we don't have Ranson to thank for that at all, he was quite willing to close the academy and by all accounts planned to do so untill fans protested. Imagine the complete disaster that would have been?

Bare in mind Ranson was running the show for Sisu; we only know of this Joy person because Ranson was ultimately fired.

James Smith · Dec 5, 2013

skybluetom said:
They didn't. What they did however is move us to a ground paying the largest flat rate rate of any club in the country at that time and then proceeded to sell all rights to any income for 6 million quid. It wouldn't have taken a genius to foresee that we were going to end up in an horrendous mess one day.

Hence the term financial basket case - at least we were playing in our home city under them.

Grendel · Dec 5, 2013

mrtrench said:
Coleman and Ranson? Why?

Coleman was just a manager doing his best. He didn't make any financial decisions.

We have Ranson to thanks for the young team we have now. I'd have him back tomorrow.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!!

fernandopartridge · Dec 5, 2013

mrtrench said:
Coleman and Ranson? Why?

Coleman was just a manager doing his best. He didn't make any financial decisions.

We have Ranson to thanks for the young team we have now. I'd have him back tomorrow.

How many young players established themselves in the team during Ranson's tenure? I can't think of any.

Nick · Dec 5, 2013

mrtrench said:
We have Ranson to thanks for the young team we have now. I'd have him back tomorrow.

Wasn't he the one who said the stadium wasn't important and started giving Cardiff money?

edgy · Dec 5, 2013

mrtrench said:
Coleman and Ranson? Why?

Coleman was just a manager doing his best. He didn't make any financial decisions.

We have Ranson to thanks for the young team we have now. I'd have him back tomorrow.

Seriously?

RoboCCFC90 · Dec 5, 2013

mrtrench said:
Coleman and Ranson? Why?

Coleman was just a manager doing his best. He didn't make any financial decisions.

We have Ranson to thanks for the young team we have now. I'd have him back tomorrow.

Coleman was shocking, with the team he had at his disposal we should of achieved a lot more than Coleman managed.

davebart · Dec 5, 2013

I cannot find any reason to blame the Council in any way for the mess.

No argument ever put forward to the contrary has made a justifiable case for changing this view. That is because every argument against CCC/ACL stems from a view that they have a responsibility to the supporters of CCFC, which they don't.

However I have always believed the council should never have got involved with the stadium in the first place.

Meanwhile I also believe SISU were duped into buying the club. They had no concept of the difference between normal distressed businesses and a football club. Moreover they are incapable of running a functioning business. That is not what they do.

Hence I feel the real culprits are not on the list.

Grendel · Dec 5, 2013

davebart said:
I cannot find any reason to blame the Council in any way for the mess.

No argument ever put forward to the contrary has made a justifiable case for changing this view. That is because every argument against CCC/ACL stems from a view that they have a responsibility to the supporters of CCFC, which they don't.

However I have always believed the council should never have got involved with the stadium in the first place.

Meanwhile I also believe SISU were duped into buying the club. They had no concept of the difference between normal distressed businesses and a football club. Moreover they are incapable of running a functioning business. That is not what they do.

Hence I feel the real culprits are not on the list.

Surely not Ray "the football man"?

Sky Blue Pete · Dec 5, 2013

Would have preferred 90% - sisu, 10% others but that wasn't available. 100% to blame for moving to northampton are sisu and their cronies - disastrous decision showing no thought for ccfc fans and if they don't return to ricoh i can only see liquidation

letsallsingtogether · Dec 6, 2013

SISU 100% ,Fisher 100%, Joy 100% word it how you want you will still come back with the same answer.

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