Ponti and the like (2 Viewers)

ccfc1234 · May 24, 2019

I know part of football that makes it the game we love is that we are all entitled to our views. However, I think it's fair to say that some people know next to nothing about the physical attributes and skills required to be a high level professional footballer. Ponti is an example of this. There are many fans who rate him and want to give him an extended run in the team. I know he had a couple of injury concerns but he was not starting even when fit for the football league's lowest club at the time. I know he is local but he will never be a player of note for where CCFC are now or want to be.
Back to my wider point about our fan base rating poor players. Jack Grimmer is another.....a totally inept crosser of the ball and not great in the air, not quick and beaten for skill easily. He was fine as an under stugy to sterling but some fans felt he should have been first choice and retained. Doyle is another. This season L1 exposed him and while he was a good loyal servant. My point is that again a sizeable minority of fans were aghast he was dropped and I hope embarrassed as the player they rated as a starter in a league 1 play off chasing team was snapped up by one of the worst 2 football league clubs in England.

I am not getring at people and while i think we have some very knowladgeable fans many seem to be watching a different game to me. Anyway glad to see Robins with his signing and sales seems know what a decent player looks like (agogo aside).

Grendel · May 24, 2019

Gazobla is off to the Samaritans

SkyBlueCRJ · May 24, 2019

Sorry what's the purpose of this thread apart from announcing to SBT that you apparently know more about football than the majority of CCFC fans?

Can't know that much about football if you think we signed a player called Agogo.

fatso · May 24, 2019

ccfc1234 said:
I know part of football that makes it the game we love is that we are all entitled to our views. However, I think it's fair to say that some people know next to nothing about the physical attributes and skills required to be a high level professional footballer. Ponti is an example of this. There are many fans who rate him and want to give him an extended run in the team. I know he had a couple of injury concerns but he was not starting even when fit for the football league's lowest club at the time. I know he is local but he will never be a player of note for where CCFC are now or want to be.
Back to my wider point about our fan base rating poor players. Jack Grimmer is another.....a totally inept crosser of the ball and not great in the air, not quick and beaten for skill easily. He was fine as an under stugy to sterling but some fans felt he should have been first choice and retained. Doyle is another. This season L1 exposed him and while he was a good loyal servant. My point is that again a sizeable minority of fans were aghast he was dropped and I hope embarrassed as the player they rated as a starter in a league 1 play off chasing team was snapped up by one of the worst 2 football league clubs in England.

I am not getring at people and while i think we have some very knowladgeable fans many seem to be watching a different game to me. Anyway glad to see Robins with his signing and sales seems know what a decent player looks like (agogo aside).

I’m not at all convinced by either of the keepers MR has signed.
Time will tell I guess, and I hope I’m wrong.

Sky Blue Harry H · May 24, 2019

Impressed that you could spell embarrassed, but stugy....nah!

mrtrench · May 24, 2019

I'm not being funny or nothing but everyone else is rubbish and I'm great.

usskyblue · May 24, 2019

That’s two minutes of my life I ain’t getting back...

robbiekeane · May 24, 2019

fatso said:
I’m not at all convinced by either of the keepers MR has signed.

and neither should you be you've not seen either of them in a cov shirt yet you eejit

fatso · May 24, 2019

robbiekeane said:
and neither should you be you've not seen either of them in a cov shirt yet you eejit

Oh I see, They will suddenly get better when they pull a city shirt on will they?
Silly me!

Samo · May 24, 2019

ccfc1234 said:
I know part of football that makes it the game we love is that we are all entitled to our views. However, I think it's fair to say that some people know next to nothing about the physical attributes and skills required to be a high level professional footballer. Ponti is an example of this. There are many fans who rate him and want to give him an extended run in the team. I know he had a couple of injury concerns but he was not starting even when fit for the football league's lowest club at the time. I know he is local but he will never be a player of note for where CCFC are now or want to be.
Back to my wider point about our fan base rating poor players. Jack Grimmer is another.....a totally inept crosser of the ball and not great in the air, not quick and beaten for skill easily. He was fine as an under stugy to sterling but some fans felt he should have been first choice and retained. Doyle is another. This season L1 exposed him and while he was a good loyal servant. My point is that again a sizeable minority of fans were aghast he was dropped and I hope embarrassed as the player they rated as a starter in a league 1 play off chasing team was snapped up by one of the worst 2 football league clubs in England.

I am not getring at people and while i think we have some very knowladgeable fans many seem to be watching a different game to me. Anyway glad to see Robins with his signing and sales seems know what a decent player looks like (agogo aside).

Opinions are like arseholes... everybody has one.
But you seem to think yours carries more weight than those of others; your superiority complex is showing mate.

Littlewood CCFC · May 24, 2019

Agree with everything you said. If you ain't starting an argument about politics on here orr spouting nonsense about the ridiculous off the field issues at the club then a lot of users hate it lol it's a football forum and I like to see opinions about the team shared not just the couple of bigots arguing with each other about SISU.. have a day off lads

Fergusons_Beard · May 24, 2019

We have an obsession with players who run around like headless chickens putting tackles in.

George Thomas was crap for a number of years and then produced one season of magic in the lowest tier. He’s struggled in a very poor Scunthorpe team.

Ponti has shown nothing in the first team-so far and his progress is running parallel to Thomas’ before his one season in the fourth division .

I am very much hoping Ponti will show his goal scoring ability in the first team but he has looked like a fish out of water in his limited opportunities.

Grimmer-fair play for his good promotion season but like Chris Stokes he is found out at a higher level.

Lincoln City at home was just one game where his naivety cost us-just not good enough.

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SKYBLUES90 · May 24, 2019

fatso said:
I’m not at all convinced by either of the keepers MR has signed.
Time will tell I guess, and I hope I’m wrong.

And your basing this on?....

superskyblue · May 24, 2019

usskyblue said:
That’s two minutes of my life I ain’t getting back...

It only took me 90 seconds to read, so I know more about words than you.

higgs · May 24, 2019

SkyBlueCRJ said:
Sorry what's the purpose of this thread apart from announcing to SBT that you apparently know more about football than the majority of CCFC fans?

Can't know that much about football if you think we signed a player called Agogo.

Junior isn't much better

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covcity4life · May 24, 2019

ccfc1234 said:
I know part of football that makes it the game we love is that we are all entitled to our views. However, I think it's fair to say that some people know next to nothing about the physical attributes and skills required to be a high level professional footballer. Ponti is an example of this. There are many fans who rate him and want to give him an extended run in the team. I know he had a couple of injury concerns but he was not starting even when fit for the football league's lowest club at the time. I know he is local but he will never be a player of note for where CCFC are now or want to be.
Back to my wider point about our fan base rating poor players. Jack Grimmer is another.....a totally inept crosser of the ball and not great in the air, not quick and beaten for skill easily. He was fine as an under stugy to sterling but some fans felt he should have been first choice and retained. Doyle is another. This season L1 exposed him and while he was a good loyal servant. My point is that again a sizeable minority of fans were aghast he was dropped and I hope embarrassed as the player they rated as a starter in a league 1 play off chasing team was snapped up by one of the worst 2 football league clubs in England.

I am not getring at people and while i think we have some very knowladgeable fans many seem to be watching a different game to me. Anyway glad to see Robins with his signing and sales seems know what a decent player looks like (agogo aside).

Well said

Most of our fans are very uneducated about the sport and never seen a game sober

I am always right so if you agree with me you are a good person in general

Mr Panda · May 24, 2019

Ponticelli needs to drop a bit of timber before he gets any kind of run out.

Not sure why it hasn't been mentioned in the media yet. That's sometimes the push a player needs

fatso · May 24, 2019

SKYBLUES90 said:
And your basing this on?....

Their careers so far of course, proberbly a more reliable indicator than your crystal ball.

covcity4life · May 24, 2019

fatso said:
Their careers so far of course, proberbly a more reliable indicator than your crystal ball.

So you havnt seen them play much yourself?

fatso · May 24, 2019

covcity4life said:
So you havnt seen them play much yourself?

I’ve seen them both play, neither stood out.
I’m not saying they are shit, I’m just not overly impressed with their pedigree.
As I said above I’m happy to be proved wrong, I’ll give them a fair chance and support them from the off etc, I just feel that for such an important possition, I’d sooner of seen us pay some cash if necessary to get an experienced proven keeper. Last season we suffered from a lack of experience from time to time,
And for me I think we could of signed better. (Albeit on paper at least)

Tommo1993 · May 24, 2019

Woah, woah! Slow down...

...You left out Conor Chaplin.

SBAndy · May 24, 2019

Grendel said:
Gazobla is off to the Samaritans

Honestly think he’s Ponti’s grandad or something.

Gazolba · May 24, 2019

Fergusons_Beard said:
We have an obsession with players who run around like headless chickens putting tackles in.

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That's what Ponticelli has been told to do!
He is being sent on for the last 5-10 minutes of games to either try to win it for us in an impossible situation, or to see games out.
When was the last time he got 90 minutes?

SKYBLUES90 · May 24, 2019

fatso said:
Their careers so far of course, proberbly a more reliable indicator than your crystal ball.

Crystal ball haha. Fuck me Mystic Meg, maybe give them a chance to play a game before you cast them off.

Grendel · May 24, 2019

Gazolba said:
That's what Ponticelli has been told to do!
He is being sent on for the last 5-10 minutes of games to either try to win it for us in an impossible situation, or to see games out.
When was the last time he got 90 minutes?

He couldn’t last 9 minutes - he’s shite

hill83 · May 24, 2019

Short version of this thread.

“Stop thinking you know more than the professionals you set of ball bags, I do though.”

All the best.

Best thing about it is bundesliga4life has liked it. Keyboard Pep himself.

fatso · May 24, 2019

SKYBLUES90 said:
Crystal ball haha. Fuck me Mystic Meg, maybe give them a chance to play a game before you cast them off.

Read what I said you dumb ass fuck!

oldskyblue58 · May 24, 2019

ccfc1234 said:
I know part of football that makes it the game we love is that we are all entitled to our views. However, I think it's fair to say that some people know next to nothing about the physical attributes and skills required to be a high level professional footballer. Ponti is an example of this. There are many fans who rate him and want to give him an extended run in the team. I know he had a couple of injury concerns but he was not starting even when fit for the football league's lowest club at the time. I know he is local but he will never be a player of note for where CCFC are now or want to be.
Back to my wider point about our fan base rating poor players. Jack Grimmer is another.....a totally inept crosser of the ball and not great in the air, not quick and beaten for skill easily. He was fine as an under stugy to sterling but some fans felt he should have been first choice and retained. Doyle is another. This season L1 exposed him and while he was a good loyal servant. My point is that again a sizeable minority of fans were aghast he was dropped and I hope embarrassed as the player they rated as a starter in a league 1 play off chasing team was snapped up by one of the worst 2 football league clubs in England.

I am not getring at people and while i think we have some very knowladgeable fans many seem to be watching a different game to me. Anyway glad to see Robins with his signing and sales seems know what a decent player looks like (agogo aside).

Just curious as to your own specialist knowledge of sports science or coaching or football management.

People are entitled to have differing opinions or player favourites without being belittled by self appointed "experts"

Just my opinion of course.

SKYBLUES90 · May 24, 2019

fatso said:
Read what I said you dumb ass fuck!

Ok then.

Who exactly were you hoping we sign? De Gea is in the last year of his contract.

fatso · May 24, 2019

SKYBLUES90 said:
Ok then.

Who exactly were you hoping we sign? De Gea is in the last year of his contract.

Stockdale is the obvious one, I’d of been more than happy with him, even if there was a fee involved, and his wages would of been high. But you have to invest to get good quality, and as I’ve mentioned in a previous post, a good keeper is a vital player.

SKYBLUES90 · May 24, 2019

fatso said:
Stockdale is the obvious one, I’d of been more than happy with him, even if there was a fee involved, and his wages would of been high. But you have to invest to get good quality, and as I’ve mentioned in a previous post, a good keeper is a vital player.

I think we all would of been happy with him but he’s on circa 20k a week, not a chance we could afford him.

fatso · May 24, 2019

SKYBLUES90 said:
I think we all would of been happy with him but he’s on circa 20k a week, not a chance we could afford him.

It’s a lot of money for someone who can’t get a game. Money means more than ambition today.
The lad from wolves sounds promising (can’t recall his name at the mo)
He’s 3rd choice so wouldn’t be on too much.

ccfc1234 · May 24, 2019

Samo said:
Opinions are like arseholes... everybody has one.
But you seem to think yours carries more weight than those of others; your superiority complex is showing mate.

I assume that was aimed at me? Nothing could be further from the truth and I hope your objective enough to consider if that comment says more about you or me.
Can I not say the fans I heard crying out for Doyle were a little misguided given he went straight from CCFC to the basement of the footballing pyramid? Grimmer is constantly referred to as a fans favourite, released as he is not good enough. Ponti also is on that category. Loved because of who he is not what he is.
I agree everyone has an opinion but stats and evidence do sometimes make some observations more credible than others.

SKYBLUES90 · May 24, 2019

fatso said:
It’s a lot of money for someone who can’t get a game. Money means more than ambition today.
The lad from wolves sounds promising (can’t recall his name at the mo)
He’s 3rd choice so wouldn’t be on too much.

Will Norris...who has played 2 league games in the last 2 years.

As I alluded to in my first comment you can’t base your opinion on whether someone is going to be good or not on the back of their career so far.

Considering Doncaster got in the playoffs and marosi played 38 games he’s got to be a better option than wolves 3rd choice keeper who’s barely kicked a ball in 2 years.

fatso · May 24, 2019

SKYBLUES90 said:
Will Norris...who has played 2 league games in the last 2 years.

As I alluded to in my first comment you can’t base your opinion on whether someone is going to be good or not on the back of their career so far.

Considering Doncaster got in the playoffs and marosi played 38 games he’s got to be a better option than wolves 3rd choice keeper who’s barely kicked a ball in 2 years.

To be honest, anyone would proberbly be better than what we’ve been used to,
But have we recruited as well as we could have?
As I’ve already said, I don’t think so. But time will tell.

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