Pressley thought the team were EXCELLENT!!!! (1 Viewer)

Mucca Mad Boys · Apr 28, 2013

philmcc said:
Exactly, I think Robins has been given far too much credit. He got lucky that an Andy Thorn
signing was scoring for fun whilst here, and when DM left, Leon Clarke continued in the same vein. Robins probably recognized the weaknesses and got out at the right time. Pressley hasn't had either of those players to work with since he took charge...plus he has had to try and pick up the pieces of the ten point reduction etc. It's too soon to want SP out, people should give the guy a break.

Robins clearly got the best out of McG, McG scored 1 goal in about 5 (?) under Shaw, and he came to life under MR, and I don't think Thorn would've even started him (Cody n Elliott were the favoured duo). MR was a good manager, but could've done better, nonetheless, taking it away from him because he had 2 strikers who have been sensational this year is pathetic, it's like saying without RVP and Rooney, Fergie is given too much credit because without them, they wouldn't have won the league. Want a non-Fergie example? Saying Gary Johnson isn't that good a manager because without Paddy Madden... If a manager signs a striker, and he does well, the manager should reap the rewards, which is the case with Clarke.

psgm1 · Apr 28, 2013

SkyBlue_Taylor said:
Robins clearly got the best out of McG, McG scored 1 goal in about 5 (?) under Shaw, and he came to life under MR, and I don't think Thorn would've even started him (Cody n Elliott were the favoured duo). MR was a good manager, but could've done better, nonetheless, taking it away from him because he had 2 strikers who have been sensational this year is pathetic, it's like saying without RVP and Rooney, Fergie is given too much credit because without them, they wouldn't have won the league. Want a non-Fergie example? Saying Gary Johnson isn't that good a manager because without Paddy Madden... If a manager signs a striker, and he does well, the manager should reap the rewards, which is the case with Clarke.

I take it you didn't see that INSTANTLY dm LEFT RESULTS STARTED TO FALL AWAY?

NO COINCIDENCE

Just look how huddersfield scraping through. No denying he was LUCKY, but lucky will only get you so far.

Dodged a bullet when robins left.

He left Barnsley because he claimed they wouldn't fund him as he wanted, yet next job was with a fundless team!

Good riddance

skybluejelly · Apr 28, 2013

i beg to differ with lots of previous posts but the facts are our results have gone seriously downhill since Roy O'donovan left.. forget Robins and Mcgoldrick its Roy we are missing

ajsccfc · Apr 28, 2013

psgm1 can use STRATEGIC placement OF capitalised words ALL he likes, but he STILL doesn't understand LUCK at ALL.

Nonleagueherewecome said:
Hammering a manager for not playing a big man up front is one thing, admitting that he doesn't have one in the squad is quite another. But lambasting a manager and then suggesting that he should select Richard Wood as a centre forward really is in a class of its own :facepalm:

I still have nightmares about when Coleman tried Jermaine Grandison up top.

Nonleagueherewecome · Apr 28, 2013

ajsccfc said:
psgm1 can use STRATEGIC placement OF capitalised words ALL he likes, but he STILL doesn't understand LUCK at ALL.

I still have nightmares about when Coleman tried Jermaine Grandison up top.

GRANDISON up FRONT! That really DID take the BISCUIT!

covboy1987 · Apr 28, 2013

SkyBlue_Taylor said:
Robins clearly got the best out of McG, McG scored 1 goal in about 5 (?) under Shaw, and he came to life under MR, and I don't think Thorn would've even started him (Cody n Elliott were the favoured duo). MR was a good manager, but could've done better, nonetheless, taking it away from him because he had 2 strikers who have been sensational this year is pathetic, it's like saying without RVP and Rooney, Fergie is given too much credit because without them, they wouldn't have won the league. Want a non-Fergie example? Saying Gary Johnson isn't that good a manager because without Paddy Madden... If a manager signs a striker, and he does well, the manager should reap the rewards, which is the case with Clarke.

Good quote about Robins being a good manager as he has the best win ratio in our history

italiahorse · Apr 28, 2013

SkyBlueScottie said:
Anybody that demands a manager be sacked for throwing in superlatives during his post match interview needs to rechristened Mongy McMongyson.

Unless the manager actually believes what he is saying in public

letsallsingtogether · Apr 28, 2013

Fuck me some sense at last from grendel

Grendel said:
Pressley took over with the club at a low ebb and also has had far more injuries crtitically to the leading scorer

The players at least were motivated to fight back and achieve a draw unlike the pitiful surrenders witnessed under thorn and Coleman when the season was over

Truth is the squad is poor just because they play for Coventry does not make them good.

He has had far more difficult circumstances than any I can remember.

Criticism at this stage is premature.

Nonleagueherewecome · Apr 28, 2013

covboy1987 said:
Good quote about Robins being a good manager as he has the best win ratio in our history

He also managed us at our lowest level in 40 years!

psgm1 · Apr 28, 2013

ajsccfc said:
psgm1 can use STRATEGIC placement OF capitalised words ALL he likes, but he STILL doesn't understand LUCK at ALL.

I still have nightmares about when Coleman tried Jermaine Grandison up top.

Luck is when it happens IN SPITE not BECAUSE of something you do!

Robins was LUCKY that he had in his squad a player who had the form of his life.

Not surprised someone clearly hard of thinking cannot comprehend this!

psgm1 · Apr 28, 2013

Actually Carsley has the greatest win ratio (60%) Typical fuck wit defence - What was his win ratio AFTER DM left?

Its like saying before you own a fiesta, then inherit a ferrari, so the car is faster because of the driver - and completely ignoring you have a faster car!

If proof were needed with pretty much all but ONE player, this team is shite - and it is the SAME team! therefore it is IMPOSSIBLE to conclude the TEAM improved under Robins because IT DID NOT!!!!

Wouldn't expect any fuck knuckle from tyhe SBT to understand this - try calling your friend stuart linnell - perhaps if you keep pretending to yourself you know what you are talking about - one dat it will come true

Sadly IT DOES NOT!!!!

ajsccfc · Apr 28, 2013

Ah yes, McGoldrick was a goalscoring machine that Robins just dropped into a sea of shit otherwise, because a form player is created by chance and not the players around him as if football were a team game. As I said, you don't understand what luck is, I didn't need proof. In this case you use 'luck' as a way to explain away someone you don't like rather than acknowledge he was doing something right.

Luck would be you fucking off.

psgm1 said:
Not surprised someone clearly hard of thinking cannot comprehend this!

You think I'm part of the SBT, they put on a movie festival (HOW many PEOPLE went?????), and you shit your pants when threatened with legal action for making stuff up. I really wouldn't talk about comprehension or stupidity.

philmcc · Apr 29, 2013

SkyBlue_Taylor said:
Robins clearly got the best out of McG, McG scored 1 goal in about 5 (?) under Shaw, and he came to life under MR, and I don't think Thorn would've even started him (Cody n Elliott were the favoured duo). MR was a good manager, but could've done better, nonetheless, taking it away from him because he had 2 strikers who have been sensational this year is pathetic, it's like saying without RVP and Rooney, Fergie is given too much credit because without them, they wouldn't have won the league. Want a non-Fergie example? Saying Gary Johnson isn't that good a manager because without Paddy Madden... If a manager signs a striker, and he does well, the manager should reap the rewards, which is the case with Clarke.

Im not saying MR wasn't a good manager for us, but in my opinion there was a massive element of luck to his success whilst here, he rode on the crest of the DM wave, a player clearly determined to prove a lot of people wrong and resurrect his career. I believe DM would have performed just as well if he had signed for most of the other clubs in league one. We were lucky to have him and when he left MR went for the next best option for league one, was hardly rocket science to get Leon Clarke in was it? What is pathetic in my mind is how SP is being criticised so heavily and so soon, give him time, he may do something good here. Maybe if he has a 20 goal striker at his disposal you never know? That's all im saying.

I remember when Man Utd fans were calling for Fergie's head, and he was one game from getting the sack, so your example kinda supports my view of giving the manager time.

Gary Johnson has had poor spells in management. He has had a good season this year because his team has played well, and he had a prolific goal scorer at his disposal, which he can take a lot of credit for. Nevertheless he had a prolific goal scorer at his disposal, I think it makes a difference...

sky blue john · Apr 29, 2013

Sorry but i would take MR back in a heart beat over DM. Because i would be confident in MR making the right decisions again and get the best out of whatever he had in terms of squad at his disposal.

trueskyblue11 · Apr 29, 2013

Pressley can suck on my salty stump! How he can keep saying we have a great bunch of lads and they play excellent etc is beyond me... we are fuckin garbage and the quicker he realises that and see's who is garbage on the pitch and makes some changes the better! If we get takenover I expect a new manager straight away and not do what we did with andy thorn and give him the summer to make a load of shit transfers and get us in the relegation area and THEN finally make a change when we are playing catch up

torchomatic · Apr 29, 2013

I can't wait until he sacked. Then we can start slagging off the next manager.

FFS, give the bloke a break.

covcity4life · Apr 29, 2013

preslley did not that left striker isolated after 20 mins, hes not blind to it all,just likes to keep criticisms out of public interviews it seems

we could have won on saturday,we made some great chances, not sure why everyone is so deprressed with performance.

philmcc · Apr 29, 2013

sky blue john said:
Sorry but i would take MR back in a heart beat over DM. Because i would be confident in MR making the right decisions again and get the best out of whatever he had in terms of squad at his disposal.

It's just as feasible even under MR that without DM or LC, (and the points deduction aside), our season could have fallen away just as it has under SP. Fans always have the luxury of hindsight to base their opinions. I think the genius of MR is that he saw what was coming and got out while his stock was still high. I don't doubt he is a very capable manager, and things clicked under him but he wasn't the only element to it. He walked away and SP has had to pick up the pieces of all that has gone on since. My only argument in all this is that SP needs time. He will have even less quality to work with next season so he has got one hell of a job on his hands!

letsallsingtogether · Apr 29, 2013

Got to agree seems the season fell away when we lost our main strikers don't believe we would have fared any better with 2 up front as we had no one who could put in the ball in the net. a reverse of the start of the season. no MC and no Leon = no goals?
Not rocket science

philmcc said:
It's just as feasible even under MR that without DM or LC, (and the points deduction aside), our season could have fallen away just as it has under SP. Fans always have the luxury of hindsight to base their opinions. I think the genius of MR is that he saw what was coming and got out while his stock was still high. I don't doubt he is a very capable manager, and things clicked under him but he wasn't the only element to it. He walked away and SP has had to pick up the pieces of all that has gone on since. My only argument in all this is that SP needs time. He will have even less quality to work with next season so he has got one hell of a job on his hands!

CCFCDan87 · Apr 29, 2013

stupot07 said:
Rob s first 7 league games - won 2 drawn 2 lost 3

Pressley first 7 games - won 3 drawn 2 lost 2

Robins already had DMC, pressley lost Clarke after one match. Robins immediately brought in Moussa, bailey, Reckord and Henderson, pressleys brought in no one.

The results had started to tail off and goals started to dry up for Robins when DMc left.

Why did you choose 7 and not 10?

Did you include the Arsenal game in your 7 game theory?

Lets look at the bigger picture

10 league games into Pressley reign. 3 wins 3 draws and 4 defeats = 12 points from a possible 30.

10 league games into Robins reign. 5 wins 2 draws and 3 defeats = 18 points from possible 30.

Whoever said they thought we played well in the first half Saturday are deluded. It was a shocking half of football by both sides. 2nd half much improved.

Mucca Mad Boys · Apr 29, 2013

philmcc said:
Im not saying MR wasn't a good manager for us, but in my opinion there was a massive element of luck to his success whilst here, he rode on the crest of the DM wave, a player clearly determined to prove a lot of people wrong and resurrect his career. I believe DM would have performed just as well if he had signed for most of the other clubs in league one. We were lucky to have him and when he left MR went for the next best option for league one, was hardly rocket science to get Leon Clarke in was it? What is pathetic in my mind is how SP is being criticised so heavily and so soon, give him time, he may do something good here. Maybe if he has a 20 goal striker at his disposal you never know? That's all im saying.

I remember when Man Utd fans were calling for Fergie's head, and he was one game from getting the sack, so your example kinda supports my view of giving the manager time.

Gary Johnson has had poor spells in management. He has had a good season this year because his team has played well, and he had a prolific goal scorer at his disposal, which he can take a lot of credit for. Nevertheless he had a prolific goal scorer at his disposal, I think it makes a difference...

Putting something down to mere 'luck' is unstable, there's no such thing as 'luck' you make your own luck. McG was made by Robins, McG said everything suited him, when you compare how other teams play and his form at Ipswich, I don't think he would've been as good at 'just about any other L1 club', I couldn't see him being very good t Sheffiled United or Yeovil because they play direct football, whereas I think he'd be v good at MK Dons, for example.

Managers take responsibility for everything that goes on on the field, in Johnson's case, he's got to be given credit for Madden as he went from sub at Carlisle to banging them in at Yeovil, managers take credit for both good and bad signings, it's unfair to ignore one or the other.

Question for all:

Did you honestly think McG would've been as good as he was prior to MR coming, based on his 1 in 4 odd games?

I didn't (I thought he'd be good, but not that good) so MR has got to take ultimate for McG playing as he did because he had a system that suited him, and everyone else.

Mucca Mad Boys · Apr 29, 2013

CCFCDan87 said:
Why did you choose 7 and not 10?

Did you include the Arsenal game in your 7 game theory?

Lets look at the bigger picture

10 league games into Pressley reign. 3 wins 3 draws and 4 defeats = 12 points from a possible 30.

10 league games into Robins reign. 5 wins 2 draws and 3 defeats = 18 points from possible 30.

Whoever said they thought we played well in the first half Saturday are deluded. It was a shocking half of football by both sides. 2nd half much improved.

You're going to fret over 6 points? Even after you take Clarke's injury into account? That's the difference when you have no adequate striker at your disposal, all but 1 game of course.

stupot07 · Apr 29, 2013

CCFCDan87 said:
Why did you choose 7 and not 10?

Did you include the Arsenal game in your 7 game theory?

Lets look at the bigger picture

10 league games into Pressley reign. 3 wins 3 draws and 4 defeats = 12 points from a possible 30.

10 league games into Robins reign. 5 wins 2 draws and 3 defeats = 18 points from possible 30.

Whoever said they thought we played well in the first half Saturday are deluded. It was a shocking half of football by both sides. 2nd half much improved.

Just used 7 because I was replying to the point that robins had hit the ground running and Pressley didn't so looking at the first burst of games makes sense. And no those 7 games are league games only.

You can look at those 10 if you want but:

Robins had mcgoldrick, brought in 4 player, a fit an firing baker, had something to play for, was able to build momentum because f DMc and bakers form

Pressley had Clarke for 1 game and had an unfit baker (had hernia op) and hasn't been able to bring any players in. His side had a 10 point deduction and nothing to play for.

Not saying that pressley's the man, but in context of 'hitting the ground running" they had almost identical starts to the sky blue career.

Brighton Sky Blue · Apr 29, 2013

psgm1 said:
Actually Carsley has the greatest win ratio (60%) Typical feck wit defence - What was his win ratio AFTER DM left?

Its like saying before you own a fiesta, then inherit a ferrari, so the car is faster because of the driver - and completely ignoring you have a faster car!

If proof were needed with pretty much all but ONE player, this team is shite - and it is the SAME team! therefore it is IMPOSSIBLE to conclude the TEAM improved under Robins because IT DID NOT!!!!

Wouldn't expect any feck knuckle from tyhe SBT to understand this - try calling your friend stuart linnell - perhaps if you keep pretending to yourself you know what you are talking about - one dat it will come true

Sadly IT DOES NOT!!!!

Is it Pritt Stick or paint today?

CCFCDan87 · Apr 29, 2013

stupot07 said:
Just used 7 because I was replying to the point that robins had hit the ground running and Pressley didn't so looking at the first burst of games makes sense. And no those 7 games are league games only.

You can look at those 10 if you want but:

Robins had mcgoldrick, brought in 4 player, a fit an firing baker, had something to play for, was able to build momentum because f DMc and bakers form

Pressley had Clarke for 1 game and had an unfit baker (had hernia op) and hasn't been able to bring any players in. His side had a 10 point deduction and nothing to play for.

Not saying that pressley's the man, but in context of 'hitting the ground running" they had almost identical starts to the sky blue career.

Fans forget where we actually were when Robins took over. He didn't exactly inherit a top 10 team, he took a team over who were in 21st place. SP (albeit minus 2 key players) took a team over who were 8th in the league.

Cityfan1 · Apr 29, 2013

FFS the 2 players missing were possibly the 2 outstanding players in the squad

fernandopartridge · Apr 29, 2013

The comparing the first 7 argument is meaningless. Compare the trajectory of those first 7 for a better view rather than a simple W/L/D breakdown.

stupot07 · Apr 29, 2013

fernandopartridge said:
The comparing the first 7 argument is meaningless. Compare the trajectory of those first 7 for a better view rather than a simple W/L/D breakdown.

Robins LWDWDLL
Pressley WDWLWLD

fernandopartridge · Apr 29, 2013

stupot07 said:
Robins LWDWDLL
Pressley WDWLWLD

You win - fair enough.

Waldorf · Apr 29, 2013

Astonishing. The criterion for whether a manager is decent or not is what he says in his post-match interview.

Grendel · Apr 29, 2013

Waldorf said:
Astonishing. The criterion for whether a manager is decent or not is what he says in his post-match interview.

It isn't. Pressley is the last sisu appointment. A cheap option. For thorn it was his human shield. For Pressley (a far superior manager) it will be an albatross round his neck.

philmcc · Apr 29, 2013

Well the axe is starting to fall and SP will set about shaping things for next season. Hopefully he will have a fully fit squad and some new faces of his choice...let's see how he gets on. I don't see any value in getting on his back or comparing him with MR...what with everything that's gone on lately.

CCFCDan87 · Apr 29, 2013

Waldorf said:
Astonishing. The criterion for whether a manager is decent or not is what he says in his post-match interview.

My criteria is football and so far it's been dire.

letsallsingtogether · Apr 29, 2013

Playing the same formation as under MR so what is the difference.
A manager who will do his best with what has been dealt him.
Won't walk away when it looks like it's going to get tough
Will have to get rid of half his squad and replace them with kids
If Leon leaves will not have a proven striker
No where to to play HOME games
No where for youth team to train
so on
no

CCFCDan87 said:
My criteria is football and so far it's been dire.

CCFCDan87 · Apr 29, 2013

letsallsingtogether said:
Playing the same formation as under MR so what is the difference.
A manager who will do his best with what has been dealt him.
Won't walk away when it looks like it's going to get tough
Will have to get rid of half his squad and replace them with kids
If Leon leaves will not have a proven striker
No where to to play HOME games
No where for youth team to train
so on
no

The style of play has been completely different so far. It's been dull

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