georgehudson
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dear oh dear, grendel, i'm not looking to antagonise, but,
when in a hole, stop digging
when in a hole, stop digging
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letsallsingtogether
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I see RFC has been mention on the document more them once :thinking about:
italiahorse
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Astute
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The only reason she got away with it was in case she has a dreadful memory. She just couldn't remember the truth when it went against what she was lying. ....sorry.....saying.
dongonzalos
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Are you sure?
ACL have not always admitted they agreed a HOT to sell the Higgs share to SISU?
dongonzalos
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That's what I have always talked about and ACL have always admitted the HOT had been signed
ACL had agreed with CCFC an HoT over rent on 29 January 2013, which was then reneged on by CCFC.
There was an HoT agreed between ACL and CCFC to engage in a co-operation agreement in early 2008.
There have been no other HoTs between ACL and any of the Sisu web of companies.
There was an HoT between the AEHC and Sisu Capital in June 2012 which Sisu Capital effectively walked away from. There have been no other HoTs between the AEHC and any of the Sisu web of companies.
There was an HoT agreed between ACL and CCFC to engage in a co-operation agreement in early 2008.
There have been no other HoTs between ACL and any of the Sisu web of companies.
There was an HoT between the AEHC and Sisu Capital in June 2012 which Sisu Capital effectively walked away from. There have been no other HoTs between the AEHC and any of the Sisu web of companies.
Sky Blue Kid
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Troll by name...Troll by nature.
stupot07
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A bit misleading when you consider you added this in the other thread.
There was no request by the AEHC to the Council to sell to Sisu Capital and there was therefore no veto exercised by the Council. What may or may not have been said informally to Seppala by somebody from the Council has not been shared with the AEHC by either the Council or Sisu Capital.
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DazzleTommyDazzle
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A bit misleading when you consider you added this in the other thread.
There was no request by the AEHC to the Council to sell to Sisu Capital and there was therefore no veto exercised by the Council. What may or may not have been said informally to Seppala by somebody from the Council has not been shared with the AEHC by either the Council or Sisu Capital.
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Why is it misleading?
stupot07
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They said they were told that the sale wouldn't be authorised, so what's the point of carrying on discussions?
Yes, we don't trust JS, but that doesn't mean we should take everything PWKH says at face value. I wonder if he's been briefed by Weber Shandwick before coming on here, the article is now 2 days old.
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thaiskyblue
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sorry lads but who is "Weber Shandwick"?, just so i can follow the conversation. cheers.
Grendel
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I believe the PR company ACL are using to "assist" in communications and image.
thaiskyblue
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thank you Grendel.
dongonzalos
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They said they were told that the sale wouldn't be authorised, so what's the point of carrying on discussions?
Yes, we don't trust JS, but that doesn't mean we should take everything PWKH says at face value. I wonder if he's been briefed by Weber Shandwick before coming on here, the article is now 2 days old.
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I hope he has
Means he is doing things in a professional manner.
Grendel
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Representing his side in the appropriate way you mean.
dongonzalos
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Bit of a Catch 22 but that would be the answer any decent PR company would advise, according to my PR advisor.
thaiskyblue
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kEEPING THEIR POWDER DRY, I HOPE, NOPM...........
stupot07
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The trust buy the club...lol
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dongonzalos
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They said they were told that the sale wouldn't be authorised, so what's the point of carrying on discussions?
Yes, we don't trust JS, but that doesn't mean we should take everything PWKH says at face value. I wonder if he's been briefed by Weber Shandwick before coming on here, the article is now 2 days old.
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Also it would be no skin off SISU's nose to push it to the vote.
Also imagine their PR in this whole debacle if they attempted to buy the Higgs share and the council did an official vote against it.
Why would SISU not request the vote after agreeing the HoT. Win win for SISU.
stupot07
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Not really, it would be quite a bit of work to get it to a vote, you can't just turn up and say let's vote.
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Astute
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Better than Joy representing her side in a very inappropriate way....or do you agree with the way she has dealt with our club?
stupot07
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As painful as it is, we have only played 4 games outside of Coventry, I don't believe we are at last chance saloon territory just yet
thaiskyblue
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sisu are flapping play it cool................
Skyblueweeman
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So that's ok, but when it's the people who are paying to keep our club running (regardless of what comes back to this statement, it's factually correct) trying to outmanoeuvre a council who were party to ripping the club off pre-SISU, that's ok?
Contradictory..........
dongonzalos
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I think rent was illegally withheld before the council tried to outmanoeuvre SISU was it not?
ohitsaidwalker king power
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I salute you... there you have it... cause and effect.... lots seem to miss that very point well done sir.:claping hands:
Hobo
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If SISU had come in and said this club has been poorly ran
For so many years this is why. Also the rent is ridiculous, we need revenues streams for the club to survive. This is our business plan.
ACL sell the stadium to us this is our offer. You won't okay we will have to build our own.
If SiSU had been like that every fan would be behind them. They haven't. They have excluded fans, followed their own agenda and are in it for themselves not CCFC or football fans.
Their goal is probably still plan A or B, Their route to it probably plan D or E.
They will go when it suites them win or loose. It is the potential legacy or lack of legacy that worries me.
I am glad she spoke, she had an opportunity to try and convince me about their plans. She hasn't she has confirmed my suspicions and fears about SISU and their agenda.
I would like to say we have hit bottom and we can at least move onwards and upwards. I feel worse is yet to come.
So I say to every Coventry fan fight for what you believe in: Coventry City Football Club and its history and its community fabric.
It doesn't matter whether you blame SISU, ACL, CCC or the FL or indeed all of them: Protest and keep the protest in the public eye and don't rely on one type of protest. None of the above like bad publicity. I believe the fans have started to influence people and I believe we can influence things even more. But we have to fight on all fronts and from all angles. It's time for the fans to TWIST AND SHOUT.
For so many years this is why. Also the rent is ridiculous, we need revenues streams for the club to survive. This is our business plan.
ACL sell the stadium to us this is our offer. You won't okay we will have to build our own.
If SiSU had been like that every fan would be behind them. They haven't. They have excluded fans, followed their own agenda and are in it for themselves not CCFC or football fans.
Their goal is probably still plan A or B, Their route to it probably plan D or E.
They will go when it suites them win or loose. It is the potential legacy or lack of legacy that worries me.
I am glad she spoke, she had an opportunity to try and convince me about their plans. She hasn't she has confirmed my suspicions and fears about SISU and their agenda.
I would like to say we have hit bottom and we can at least move onwards and upwards. I feel worse is yet to come.
So I say to every Coventry fan fight for what you believe in: Coventry City Football Club and its history and its community fabric.
It doesn't matter whether you blame SISU, ACL, CCC or the FL or indeed all of them: Protest and keep the protest in the public eye and don't rely on one type of protest. None of the above like bad publicity. I believe the fans have started to influence people and I believe we can influence things even more. But we have to fight on all fronts and from all angles. It's time for the fans to TWIST AND SHOUT.
thaiskyblue
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Skyblueweeman
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I don't dispute that but read my post again. The clue is in the bit where I say 'pre-Sisu'.
So you're fine with the fact that the council were part of the agreement that overcharged us from Day One at the Ricoh? At the time, admittedly, none of us were party to the rental agreement (or saw it as relevant). In my opinion, which in many eyes is probably wrong, the council as part of the ACL set up, knew that they were on to a little winner with setting £1.2m rent when we moved in. It's over the odds for a Championship club today, let alone 7 or so years ago.
We can castigate SISU for lack of due diligence (they have admitted that themselves) but don't paint a picture that SISU withholding rent was worse than our club being horrendously overcharged from day one. The previous owners (as I've said before) are as much to blame as the current lot, but ACL/CCC are also as culpable.
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skybluefred
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Hi Weeman,long time since the Telegraph days,how are you keeping?
I have a slightly different view on the Ricoh/ACL/CCC set up to you. I think the rental was set at £1.2m because a quick return to the Premiership was envisaged by the then owners of CCFC. The rent then would not have been a problem and
would have given the CCC a return on it's huge investment. However I do agree that for a mediocre Championship club
it was always going to be a problem,and without F&B and other match day revenues the further relegation was inevitable.
Sisu have no interest in football--Coventry or the fans,their sole interest is how much money they can make from a distressed business. They have sold every player they could and have not invested in the team in any way.Their big
mistake was in not conducting a thorough enough due diligence before buying CCFC, had they have done so they could
have had a rent review before agreeing the purchase.
It is high time Sisu & CCC got together to sort a rent out that enables a return to the RICOH and the club to make progress,this cannot happen while Joy Seppala insists on outright ownership of the Stadia because this will never happen.
dongonzalos
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Unfortunately the outmanoeuvred bit we were talking about was a direct result of the rent strike.
The over charged rent you refer to was preferred by the pre SISU football club over the sliding scale rent that was proposed.
SISU were not blind when they bought the club they were fully aware of what the rent was and agreed to it.
Mis-managed the club failed to achieve any success.
Then the rent become the complete and utter sole total cause for all of Coventry's financial woes.
That was until a dirt cheap rent was offered.
Then food and beverages become the sole complete and utter cause of all of Coventry's financial woes. That was until 80% of that was offered.
Now SISU have finally all but admitted they just want the Ricoh.
georgehudson
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quite so Don, good points,
why was the rent never challenged when they took over ?
who let a succession of misfits be controllers (Clouting, Dulieu, Brody, Igwe, Fisher) ?
& exactly what would the food & beverage profit amounted to ?
why was the rent never challenged when they took over ?
who let a succession of misfits be controllers (Clouting, Dulieu, Brody, Igwe, Fisher) ?
& exactly what would the food & beverage profit amounted to ?