Fergusons_Beard
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Actually I think you mean..
SISU WILL NEVER BUILD A NEW STADIUM BECAUSE OF THE COUNCIL.
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SISU WILL NEVER BUILD A NEW STADIUM END OF
It'd be great if Sisu funded a new stadium, but come on. Council help or no council help, Sisu are never going to build one.Actually I think you mean..
SISU WILL NEVER BUILD A NEW STADIUM BECAUSE OF THE COUNCIL.
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Jesus, what a twat!Actually I think you mean..
SISU WILL NEVER BUILD A NEW STADIUM BECAUSE OF THE COUNCIL.
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Well done Nick. Another wasp found out and swatted.
Any genuine city fan wouldnt ask a stupid question like that
Jesus isn't a twat. He's a made up person.Jesus, what a twat!
Well known member indeed...
No. Jesus was a real person. A twat or not is down to your own opinion.Jesus isn't a twat. He's a made up person.
No. Jesus was a real person. A twat or not is down to your own opinion.
Fergusons Beard however is most definitely a twat.
Bigger citiespretty sure there's quite a few cities with more than one stadium... none of those appear to have spontaneously-combusted.
No.Based on what? Criticising the council?
Either let them progress as quickly as possible so the BS can be spotted quicker, or let them progress as quickly as possible so the stadium can be built and the football club can prosper...It'd be great if Sisu funded a new stadium, but come on. Council help or no council help, Sisu are never going to build one.
However if this strategy is a way of forcing a Ricoh deal, then I'm all for it.
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Exactly.Either let them progress as quickly as possible so the BS can be spotted quicker, or let them progress as quickly as possible so the stadium can be built and the football club can prosper...
Come on Jack out with itI never expressed one on that, I'm asking the poster to justify his assertion that there is a clusterfuck of contracts.
No.
Even the fiercest of council critics do not seriously think Sisu are intent on building a stadium regardless of location except Fergusons Beard it seems. Was on another thread the other day berating those who failed to get excited about the non prospect, the twat.
A response to a post is an obsession is it? Hardly dispelling the insult...Honestly mate-you obsessed.
I was actually pointing out that there was loads who were critically of SISU but not on the Council thread.
Like yourself.
But then again there are those coming around to the fact that this has been a PR war and a lot of us have been played from the beginning.
Some of us always believed that all parties were responsible for the demise of CCFC.
I love a bromance but I think you need to open your eyes to the truth that it really isn’t all SISU’s fault.
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A response to a post is an obsession is it? Hardly dispelling the insult...
Two things I blame CCC for: a) Choosing Sisu as owners. b) Underestimating what a mentalist Seppala actually is. Once again we find ourselves in a situation where we will be moved from the city and the choice to do that resides with one party only. It's 2013 all over again and you've saw fit to brand a section of our support 'cocks' for not unreasonably being slightly sceptical of the actual motive of the Woodlands proposal and then compounding your own delusional stance by proclaiming it won't get built because of the council. For what it's worth, the latest revelations don't really alter my opinion on who actually impedes progress at CCFC and one day all of the elements (Sisu rent strike, ACL, Government austerity cuts) will show how the club owners engineered Wasps Ricoh ownership.
Until then stop being a divisive twat.
The engineering of Wasps ownership pre-dates the rent strike by a long while. The email from Daniel Gidney to the other members of ACL's board (including the council represenatives) about buying Wasps RFC came in March 2012 (before the rent strike). The content of the email was clearly a culmination of some detailed talks between ACL and Wasps' which had happened over a period of time before March 2012.
The 'negotations' that took place in 2012 with SISU were therefore a mirage, and SISU being SISU overplayed their hand by taking part in the rent strike and subsequent move to Northampton (whether or not they believed that ACL had agreed to it or not). This presented a PR open goal for the Council and ACL, which with the help of a very expensive PR firm in Weber Shandwick they were able to exploit massively.
The local council, despite having an existing historic rugby club playing in a ground that the council owned, supported the idea of bringing Wasps to the city all the way through from 2011. Their sins are numerous and go way beyond just bringing SISU in and underestimating Seppalla.
The conclusion of it all is that CCFC were never seen as potential owners of the stadium, they'd always be the gracious tenant to the 'buy-to-let' live in landlord in the form of Wasps RFC.
The Council should never have got involved in the Arena project at all.
What they've done is create a potential white elephant with too much debt on it.
Someone will suffer for that & I guess it won't be CCFC.
What we don't know is what went on between SISU & CCC before Wasps became involved.
It looks like the expectation was SISU would buy out the Arena, but they refused to and that sent the Council looking elsewhere.
Although they passed the debt on to Wasps they've now created a PR disaster.
None of this solves the problem of CCFC being homeless and a pawn in a tussle between 2 hedge funds and the council.
Sadly the end is still not in sight.
A response to a post is an obsession is it? Hardly dispelling the insult...
Two things I blame CCC for: a) Choosing Sisu as owners. b) Underestimating what a mentalist Seppala actually is. Once again we find ourselves in a situation where we will be moved from the city and the choice to do that resides with one party only. It's 2013 all over again and you've saw fit to brand a section of our support 'cocks' for not unreasonably being slightly sceptical of the actual motive of the Woodlands proposal and then compounding your own delusional stance by proclaiming it won't get built because of the council. For what it's worth, the latest revelations don't really alter my opinion on who actually impedes progress at CCFC and one day all of the elements (Sisu rent strike, ACL, Government austerity cuts) will show how the club owners engineered Wasps Ricoh ownership.
Until then stop being a divisive twat.
Like I said-I was just and still am a little surprised about the number of folks who were on the SISU thread but not equally as critical of the council.
It’s interesting you blame the council for ‘choosing SISU as owners’ which again clearly shows what a great handle you have on this whole shit storm.
You also fall back to the standard anti-female stance when weirdly blaming the council for how the leader of a hedge fund works!
It may well be ‘2013 all over again’ but this time City supporters are a little more armed with facts that allow us to challenge all sides.
One of these is how the council seem not to be on the side of our beloved 130 year old Football Club.
We are both supporters of CCFC and we both want what’s best for our club-maybe instead of calling me divisive you might read up on a few things on here and enlighten yourself.
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The engineering of Wasps ownership pre-dates the rent strike by a long while. The email from Daniel Gidney to the other members of ACL's board (including the council represenatives) about buying Wasps RFC came in March 2012 (before the rent strike). The content of the email was clearly a culmination of some detailed talks between ACL and Wasps' which had happened over a period of time before March 2012.
The 'negotations' that took place in 2012 with SISU were therefore a mirage, and SISU being SISU overplayed their hand by taking part in the rent strike and subsequent move to Northampton (whether or not they believed that ACL had agreed to it or not). This presented a PR open goal for the Council and ACL, which with the help of a very expensive PR firm in Weber Shandwick they were able to exploit massively.
The local council, despite having an existing historic rugby club playing in a ground that the council owned, supported the idea of bringing Wasps to the city all the way through from 2011. Their sins are numerous and go way beyond just bringing SISU in and underestimating Seppalla.
The conclusion of it all is that CCFC were never seen as potential owners of the stadium, they'd always be the gracious tenant to the 'buy-to-let' live in landlord in the form of Wasps RFC.
Most of which is indisputable last paragraph excepted.The engineering of Wasps ownership pre-dates the rent strike by a long while. The email from Daniel Gidney to the other members of ACL's board (including the council represenatives) about buying Wasps RFC came in March 2012 (before the rent strike). The content of the email was clearly a culmination of some detailed talks between ACL and Wasps' which had happened over a period of time before March 2012.
The 'negotations' that took place in 2012 with SISU were therefore a mirage, and SISU being SISU overplayed their hand by taking part in the rent strike and subsequent move to Northampton (whether or not they believed that ACL had agreed to it or not). This presented a PR open goal for the Council and ACL, which with the help of a very expensive PR firm in Weber Shandwick they were able to exploit massively.
The local council, despite having an existing historic rugby club playing in a ground that the council owned, supported the idea of bringing Wasps to the city all the way through from 2011. Their sins are numerous and go way beyond just bringing SISU in and underestimating Seppalla.
The conclusion of it all is that CCFC were never seen as potential owners of the stadium, they'd always be the gracious tenant to the 'buy-to-let' live in landlord in the form of Wasps RFC.
I care about my city more than CCFC. For that reason, I want the Ricoh to be used, I want CCFC to use it and I'm happy if that means sharing with Wasps.
Most of which is indisputable last paragraph excepted.
There's no evidence to suggest that although talks with Wasps did indeed predate the rent strike, that these talks were aimed at bringing them into the fold as landlords. More, the increasingly souring relationship determined the council threw in the towel with engaging with Sisu as potential purchasers.
Based on what? Criticising the council?
Before I do... is it worth buying? I've seen nothing outside of that that says they encouraged SISU's arrival so would like to see... but the way he hawked it was unbecomingThe council did have a massive role in choosing SISU as owners, have a look at Gilbert's book.
Sick Boy - just noticed your location is Verona. Without breaking any GDPR rules, can I ask what you are doing out there? Regular Lake Garda visitor, and Hellas are my 'second team' Have you read the Tim Parks 'A season in Verona' -? - if not, do so. Anyway, I won't officially stalk you (I might) but just have a love of that area! Apologies for being nosey!!
You can read it for zilch on Google I think. It's decent enough, at least he had a goBefore I do... is it worth buying? I've seen nothing outside of that that says they encouraged SISU's arrival so would like to see... but the way he hawked it was unbecoming
Stop flirting with me then xIt’s not match.com m8
More like Grinder......It’s not match.com m8
Best MC in the galaxy!More like Grinder......
Before I do... is it worth buying? I've seen nothing outside of that that says they encouraged SISU's arrival so would like to see... but the way he hawked it was unbecoming
Sick Boy - just noticed your location is Verona. Without breaking any GDPR rules, can I ask what you are doing out there? Regular Lake Garda visitor, and Hellas are my 'second team' Have you read the Tim Parks 'A season in Verona' -? - if not, do so. Anyway, I won't officially stalk you (I might) but just have a love of that area! Apologies for being nosey!!
Sick Boy - just noticed your location is Verona. Without breaking any GDPR rules, can I ask what you are doing out there? Regular Lake Garda visitor, and Hellas are my 'second team' Have you read the Tim Parks 'A season in Verona' -? - if not, do so. Anyway, I won't officially stalk you (I might) but just have a love of that area! Apologies for being nosey!!
Great book H.
So is ‘The Miracle of Castel De Sangro’ (natch)
One of my fave footy books and well worth a read
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