Question for Mr Jan Mokrzycki (4 Viewers)

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HoundDog1987

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The Sky Blues Trust have acted disgracefully by insulting life long City fans like Mr Ray Stephens and Mrs Pat Raybould and others whose "crime" is to give there time voluntarily to be on the Supporters Consultative Group, do what is best for Coventry City Football Club and have the courage to disagree with the Trust people. The Trust like to insult other people and ask long lists of questions but they refuse to answer questions about there own behaviour insulting City fans, being abusive and supporting ACL.

So here is a very simple question for Mr Mokrzycki. Mr Labovitch sent you an email. Is what he says true or are you now accussing HIM of lying.




Dear Jan
After your antics yesterday and now the email from Jonathan Strange, I'm really not sure what you're trying to achieve. Let me re-state my position:
I am more than happy to maintain a dialogue with you personally, but will not be drawn into any games with the media. It was very shabby conduct to write to me yesterday morning bcc'ing Simon Gilbert of the Telegraph without my knowledge and I am glad you had the good grace to apologise.
I am also more than happy to receive input from the SBT in respect of the format of our upcoming fans' forum and indeed the club's engagement with fans generally. However, it would be inappropriate to do so whilst the SBT remains a highly partisan body whose leading members are more interested in heaping abuse - at times using obscene language - on the club's owner, rather than working constructively with all parties to achieve a solution.
We appear to agree that you and Steve Brown need to "clean house" and get rid of the extremist elements who show no interest in working to achieve a solution. You mentioned that you had assured Tim some time ago that John Fletcher and Michael Orton would be ejected from the SBT, but the Trust's constitution did not allow for instant expulsion.
I noted your comments that you are currently "edging John towards the door" and had managed at least to "shut him up" in the meantime; and that in your view Michael Orton "had caused more damage than everyone else put together" and appeared to be under particular psychological strain. You also agreed that you would like to disassociate the Trust from the activities of Bob Ainsworth, whose defamatory outbursts have been unhelpful and whom you in any case regard as "irrelevant".
I reiterated my concern that, whilst you profess to be concerned about financial stability, you had supported an attempt to replace the club's owners with Preston Haskell IV (who has never proved funds in his tilts at various English football clubs), with Joe Elliott as Chairman (whose record on the club's board is less than distinguished in management terms): I noted your observation that you "don't want Joe Elliott anywhere near Coventry City".
So our conversation showed clear signs that you are committed to putting the SBT's house in order. Once you have done so, I would be happy to discuss how the Trust might play a more meaningful role with the club and I'm sure Jonathan might agree to look again at how it engages with the SCG.
Best regards
Mark
 

Nick

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Oh dear! There is a leak

Don't see anything wrong with that to be fair (If what they say is True, which I am sure Jan will answer)

Is this the same one as the other day I take it? What did jan bcc in Simon about?
The trust's silence on these issues is worrying but hopefully Jan can put these claims to bed :(
 
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Rusty Trombone

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Very interesting. I do wonder why Labovitch would want this published, as he knew it would be. I imagine it's to try and get fans to argue amongst themselves, rather than putting pressure on our owners who are the only ones who can bring us back to Coventry (area).
 

CovFan

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Very interesting that this email is allowed to go public but it's "shabby conduct" to BCC a journalist in on an email that is otherwise private.
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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And how did you get a hold of this e-mail? A BCC from 'Labo' or being 'Labo' himself are the only two possibilities.
 

chiefdave

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What a load of crap, seems once again SISU are using diversion tactics to try and take the spotlight away from the terrible job they are doing running the club and any awkward questions about a business plan everyone knows doesn't make the slightest bit of sense.

Maybe the club should leave the running of the trust up to it's members and concentrate on trying to get the club out of the incredible mess they have created.
 

skybluetony176

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That's the best advert ever for joining the Trust.

The SCG owe all Coventry fans an apology.

Individuals running the group have willingly allowed it to become a mouth piece for propaganda from a hedge fund. It either needs a wholesale change of personnel or disbanding as it is no longer fit for the purpose it was intended.
 

James Smith

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Oh my us fans are revolting. :D
 
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ajsccfc

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You know someone's about to get told off when full names are used. Sterling Malory Archer, have you left the milk out?
 

Rusty Trombone

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I suppose it could be a coincidence that this gets posted on the same morning that a piece highlighting our plight appears in the national press.
 

Godiva

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Dear Jan
After your antics yesterday and now the email from Jonathan Strange, I'm really not sure what you're trying to achieve. Let me re-state my position:
I am more than happy to maintain a dialogue with you personally, but will not be drawn into any games with the media. It was very shabby conduct to write to me yesterday morning bcc'ing Simon Gilbert of the Telegraph without my knowledge and I am glad you had the good grace to apologise.
I am also more than happy to receive input from the SBT in respect of the format of our upcoming fans' forum and indeed the club's engagement with fans generally. However, it would be inappropriate to do so whilst the SBT remains a highly partisan body whose leading members are more interested in heaping abuse - at times using obscene language - on the club's owner, rather than working constructively with all parties to achieve a solution.
We appear to agree that you and Steve Brown need to "clean house" and get rid of the extremist elements who show no interest in working to achieve a solution. You mentioned that you had assured Tim some time ago that John Fletcher and Michael Orton would be ejected from the SBT, but the Trust's constitution did not allow for instant expulsion.
I noted your comments that you are currently "edging John towards the door" and had managed at least to "shut him up" in the meantime; and that in your view Michael Orton "had caused more damage than everyone else put together" and appeared to be under particular psychological strain. You also agreed that you would like to disassociate the Trust from the activities of Bob Ainsworth, whose defamatory outbursts have been unhelpful and whom you in any case regard as "irrelevant".
I reiterated my concern that, whilst you profess to be concerned about financial stability, you had supported an attempt to replace the club's owners with Preston Haskell IV (who has never proved funds in his tilts at various English football clubs), with Joe Elliott as Chairman (whose record on the club's board is less than distinguished in management terms): I noted your observation that you "don't want Joe Elliott anywhere near Coventry City".
So our conversation showed clear signs that you are committed to putting the SBT's house in order. Once you have done so, I would be happy to discuss how the Trust might play a more meaningful role with the club and I'm sure Jonathan might agree to look again at how it engages with the SCG.
Best regards
Mark

If most of that is true then in my opinion Jan is the right leader of the Trust.

But publicising the letter is ... hmmm ... a kiss of death?
 

James Smith

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You also agreed that you would like to disassociate the Trust from the activities of Bob Ainsworth, whose defamatory outbursts have been unhelpful and whom you in any case regard as "irrelevant".

If there was a statement made by The Right Honourable Bob Ainsworth MP that was defamatory (and that doesn't include statements made under Parliamentary Privilege which aren't) why haven't the Sisu Legal Eagles been out with the lawsuits?
 

Nick

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If there was a statement made by The Right Honourable Bob Ainsworth MP that was defamatory (and that doesn't include statements made under Parliamentary Privilege which aren't) why haven't the Sisu Legal Eagles been out with the lawsuits?

I thought they couldn't if said under the privilege?
 
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Jack Griffin

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This seems to me most likely made up, why would anyone put stuff like this in an email?

Who is the poster, another anonymous person who opened an account on this forum just to post this topic?
 

Sky Blue Kid

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Oh dear! There is a leak Don't see anything wrong with that to be fair (If what they say is True, which I am sure Jan will answer) Is this the same one as the other day I take it? What did jan bcc in Simon about? The trust's silence on these issues is worrying :(
What about the 6+ years of almost total silence from SISU. Eh Nick?
 

Nick

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Might be best to wait for jans reply to avoid possible dongo situations again!

I do think Jan or Steve will be able to dispel this though!
 

James Smith

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I thought they couldn't if said under the privilege?

Yeah sorry that could have been clearer - if he's said something under Parliamentary Privilege it isn't defamatory. So I assumed he had said something, an outburst that wasn't covered and therefore defamatory, and why haven't they gone after him for those outbursts? If it was on his website that might not be covered.
 
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lordsummerisle

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Yeah sorry that could have been clearer if he's said something under Parliamentary Privilege it isn't defamatory. So I assumed he had said something, an outburst that wasn't covered and therefore defamatory, and why haven't they gone after him for those outbursts?

It can be defamatory under Parliamentary Privelege, just you can't do anything about it.
 

shmmeee

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Frankly if this email is true Jan should resign. Colluding in a conspiracy to remove Trust members.

Perhaps a judicial review is in order?
 

Nick

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Frankly if this email is true Jan should resign. Colluding in a conspiracy to remove Trust members.

Perhaps a judicial review is in order?

That's the thing, we don't know if it is or not. Hopefully it will be cleared up.
 

Nick

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Can you give us any insight into the new user? Coventry IP? Duplicate account?

Haven't had any of the usual alerts (on my phone so not as much detail) to it being a duplicate account or anything. Can't check location from here and not sure I could share that either.
 

shmmeee

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Haven't had any of the usual alerts (on my phone so not as much detail) to it being a duplicate account or anything. Can't check location from here and not sure I could share that either.

Fair enough. I don't even know where Labovitch is based (probably a non-dom) so it's not like it'd tell us much.
 

James Smith

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It can be defamatory under Parliamentary Privelege, just you can't do anything about it.

That's an interesting point I was told that for something to be defamatory you had to be able to take action against someone in the courts for the statement. It could however be my mind suffering from remembering something from so long ago.
 

lordsummerisle

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That's an interesting point I was told that for something to be defamatory you had to be able to take action against someone in the courts for the statement. It could however be my mind suffering from remembering something from so long ago.

Parliamentary privilege is controversial because of its potential for abuse; a member can use privilege to make damaging allegations that would ordinarily be discouraged by defamation laws, without first determining whether those allegations have a strong foundation.
 

Grendel

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Yeah sorry that could have been clearer - if he's said something under Parliamentary Privilege it isn't defamatory. So I assumed he had said something, an outburst that wasn't covered and therefore defamatory, and why haven't they gone after him for those outbursts? If it was on his website that might not be covered.

You can say defamatory remarks you just can't be bought to book.

Wasn't one of bungling Bobs statements I believe (may be wrong) was that sisu had identified the Ricoh as an asset to secure well before they even owned the club.
 

shmmeee

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Am I the only one reading that and thinking it's been written to be leaked? Who talks like that with all the quotes if not just trying to go "LOOK EVERYONE! LOOK WHAT JAN SAID!".

So, that's 3 leaders the Trust has sacrificed for Fisher. How many more before they realise they're being taken for a ride?
 

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