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skybluetony176 · Dec 5, 2013

Be patient with me on this one as i am no leagle beagle, as is possibly about to become clear.

i believe the trust have a fighting fund for the effort to get the club back to Cov. would there be a case for the trust to start proceedings against the FL for deriliction of duty to the CCFC fans and un-due stress caused by the ongoing saga.

the FL will not confirm that they were asked to mediate by ACL but neither will they deny this. Labobitch said no "direct" offer was made so i think that means its pretty clear it has happened.

the FL have replied to me twice now regarding whether they did or didn't and both times they say its a commercial dispute and wont get involved. i say they got involved the moment they approved the move.

the FL have no grounds to stop a 3year deal as they have already accepted that sh1tsu are going to build a new ground by agreeing the move, concentrating on the new ground also being the reason why timmy has stepped out of the spot light as he confirmed last night, so again no arguement their either.

financialy its a better option as many will start watching some real home games and the rent deal offered by ACL is better than the rent deal currently "enjoyed" at sixfields.

anyone who was at MK on saturday also saw the way the team responded when playing into a 7000 stong sky blue army so the team stand to benefit to.

what do you all think? i would be especially interested to hear the opinions of anyone from the trust or if there are any legal beagle type's on here.

like i said a question, not a suggestion

Astute · Dec 5, 2013

The FL are governed by their own rules. And as we have already seen they can bend their rules as much as they like. So nothing would come from anything suggested.

Godiva · Dec 5, 2013

skybluetony176 said:
i believe the trust have a fighting fund for the effort to get the club back to Cov. would there be a case for the trust to start proceedings against the FL for deriliction of duty to the CCFC fans and un-due stress caused by the ongoing saga.

the FL will not confirm that they were asked to mediate by ACL but neither will they deny this. Labobitch said no "direct" offer was made so i think that means its pretty clear it has happened.

the FL have replied to me twice now regarding whether they did or didn't and both times they say its a commercial dispute and wont get involved. i say they got involved the moment they approved the move.

So basically you ask the Trust to sue FL because they won't answer your mails?
Beware you don't become sisu.

mrtrench · Dec 5, 2013

I wrote to the FL a few days ago asking them for a definition of their role and the escalation procedure should they not meet it. They replied that they have no responsibility for football in England, only for maintaining their competition. They said that the FA would be the place to look for accountability.

dadgad · Dec 5, 2013

mrtrench said:
I wrote to the FL a few days ago asking them for a definition of their role and the escalation procedure should they not meet it. They replied that they have no responsibility for football in England, only for maintaining their competition. They said that the FA would be the place to look for accountability.

Could you post that because that adds a very interesting dimension to this whole saga.
Basically the FA say that it is matter for the FL!?!?!?
Are we to understand from this that the footballing authorities are colluding in a sham and a dereliction of duty.........meanwhile that hypocrite Greg Dyke bangs on about a "footballing community" and "pulling together".
This is a scandal and more should be being made of it in the media and in Parliament.

Dimi_Konstantflapalot · Dec 5, 2013

Astute said:
The FL are governed by their own rules. And as we have already seen they can bend their rules as much as they like. So nothing would come from anything suggested.

There is fuck all accountability of the FL, and the FA as well. Until there is, English football as a whole will not progress. It's part of the reason why we are miles behind the Germans and the Spanish

skybluetony176 · Dec 5, 2013

Godiva said:
So basically you ask the Trust to sue FL because they won't answer your mails?
Beware you don't become sisu.

No. read the 1st and last lines, i'm not asking the trust to do anything.

the FL have answered my emails, so its not that either

perhaps we should take a leaf out of sh1tsu's book, its worked for them so far. assuming there is a case off course, which is why i was posing the question.

dadgad · Dec 5, 2013

There may b a case;
If you cannot beat them join them.
The adversarial nature of their game rides roughshod over certain principles and traditions which we should be doing more to defend.
Why not take them on?

Warwickhunt · Dec 5, 2013

sue em! i say Sue the B$%£rds!

dadgad · Dec 5, 2013

Warwickhunt said:
sue em! i say Sue the B$%£rds!

Zzzzzzz

Grendel · Dec 5, 2013

Astute said:
The FL are governed by their own rules. And as we have already seen they can bend their rules as much as they like. So nothing would come from anything suggested.

The league can't get involved - I can't see how they could legally force one company to agree a rent deal with a separate company.

Hobo · Dec 5, 2013

Grendel said:
The league can't get involved - I can't see how they could legally force one company to agree a rent deal with a separate company.

Agreed Grendel. But they could have made them pay the 1 m bond up front. They have made non league clubs pay bonds up front.

RoboCCFC90 · Dec 5, 2013

skybluetony176 said:
Be patient with me on this one as i am no leagle beagle, as is possibly about to become clear.

i believe the trust have a fighting fund for the effort to get the club back to Cov. would there be a case for the trust to start proceedings against the FL for deriliction of duty to the CCFC fans and un-due stress caused by the ongoing saga.

the FL will not confirm that they were asked to mediate by ACL but neither will they deny this. Labobitch said no "direct" offer was made so i think that means its pretty clear it has happened.

the FL have replied to me twice now regarding whether they did or didn't and both times they say its a commercial dispute and wont get involved. i say they got involved the moment they approved the move.

the FL have no grounds to stop a 3year deal as they have already accepted that sh1tsu are going to build a new ground by agreeing the move, concentrating on the new ground also being the reason why timmy has stepped out of the spot light as he confirmed last night, so again no arguement their either.

financialy its a better option as many will start watching some real home games and the rent deal offered by ACL is better than the rent deal currently "enjoyed" at sixfields.

anyone who was at MK on saturday also saw the way the team responded when playing into a 7000 stong sky blue army so the team stand to benefit to.

what do you all think? i would be especially interested to hear the opinions of anyone from the trust or if there are any legal beagle type's on here.

like i said a question, not a suggestion

The atmosphere from the Sky Blue Army was outstanding Saturday at MK but unfortunately that would never be the case at the Ricoh Arena as everyone is scattered (which is acceptable as it's their choice) and as we know the Sky Blue Army were all housed in one end of the ground. The thing is you couldn't deny anyone any seat round the ground and the atmosphere would never be the same unless you could pack out one of the stands behind the goal and that's not likely at the Ricoh.

dadgad · Dec 5, 2013

Hobo said:
But they could have made them pay the 1 m bond up front. They have made non league clubs pay bonds up front.

They have their own guidelines - what are they for?
Waving or waiving?

stupot07 · Dec 5, 2013

dadgad said:
They have their own guidelines - what are they for?
Waving or waiving?

Their guidelines clearly state the use of discretion as agreed by the FL Board, therefore they have followed their guidelines.

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Hobo · Dec 5, 2013

dadgad said:
They have their own guidelines - what are they for?
Waving or waiving?

Like the ominims!

They replied to me changes had been made so a situation like Coventry couldn't happen again.

I asked them to clarify their rules and at what meeting they had been changed and when were other FL members notified...they denied any alterations in rules but Coventry's situation was very complex and changes had been made to ensure it wouldn't happen again.

I have expected the email to be signed off by Tim Fisher

shmmeee · Dec 5, 2013

They said that before about making sure the GS and the player regs were registered together properly, which would have prevented this at the point of admin. So I expect that's what they mean.

They can't force Sisu to take a particular deal, but like the FA with the academy, they could enforce certain parameters that make that the only option.

Surely the FA can state the region a club can play in and refuse a ground share? Admittedly not until the end of the season as I think that's when the first condition (progress towards new stadium) kicks in.

Then again I'd expect some half baked stadium plan by then if no resolution, although at that point liquidation is probably more likely. In which case I'd like to see the league grow a pair and hand the GS to a fan owned new co with an appropriate points/league punishment applied.

dadgad · Dec 5, 2013

stupot07 said:
Their guidelines clearly state the use of discretion as agreed by the FL Board, therefore they have followed their guidelines.

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Waiving then!
You're catching up - bravo!

skybluetony176 · Dec 5, 2013

RoboCCFC90 said:
The atmosphere from the Sky Blue Army was outstanding Saturday at MK but unfortunately that would never be the case at the Ricoh Arena as everyone is scattered (which is acceptable as it's their choice) and as we know the Sky Blue Army were all housed in one end of the ground. The thing is you couldn't deny anyone any seat round the ground and the atmosphere would never be the same unless you could pack out one of the stands behind the goal and that's not likely at the Ricoh.

it will never be as bad as sixfields.

my mate went and he said he tried talking to the guy sat next to him but it didn't matter how loud they shouted they just couldn't hear each other and it wasn't because of the noise either, as there was none.

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