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[Paxman II]

It's that time of year when we sit waiting with baited breath for the new season to get going again. So it's time for another thread to fill in the time.....

With a lot of hindsight and importantly not using the FA Cup win but concentrating only on the league, who have been our top 3 managers of all time since Jimmy Hill?

1. Gordon Strachan
2. Gordon Milne
3. Roland Nilsson

...and who have been the worst?

1. Ron Atkinson
2. Chris Coleman
3. Andy Thorn

Not so easy but we all will have a different take on it. Us older ones will remember the good times and that's why I rate the wee one as the best yet because those were good times for a sustained period.

 

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[skybluekelly98]

I thought Coleman was good, thorn was OK but would've been decent with a bit of £££

 

[skybluekelly98]

Oh and you forgot mark robins

 

[Paxman II]

if there was a top 4 then Robins was next!

 

[SlowerThanPlatt]

Am I correct in saying Mark Robins has the highest win percentage of all time as City manager?

 

[Houchens Head]

Not sure about the best ones but my worst three are

1. Gormless Strachan
2. Andy Thorn
3. Peter Reid

 

[SkyblueBazza]

Sorry to be pernickety but I am going to be: -
1. Do you mean "of all time"? Or "since Jimmy Hill"? It cannot be both.
2. Whatever the answer to 1. ...Gordon Strachan? He will only be remembered by me as the man that spent lots & took us down! Roland Nilsson? Errr...did what to justify your choice? Are you serious? Or have you applied additional parameters - like "AND worst hairstyle" as well?

At face value -
1. Gordon Milne got our highest league finish (6th & a European berth)
2. George Curtis transformed & inspired us all...& finished 10th - AS WELL as winning the Cup (how can that feat be ignored???)
3. John Sillett...10th, 10th, 7th & 12th - our most sustained period of relatively successful seasons.

Noel Canwell was a good period but not sustained the same length of time.

If you add entertainment value into the mix - the top two remain the same & arguably so would Snozz...unless the fact we were two divisions lower can, like the FA Cup, be ignored - then those heady phases with Mark Robins or Eric Black might sneak in jut neither were over any really significant period of time.

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[Grendel]

Not sure about the best ones but my worst three are

1. Gormless Strachan
2. Andy Thorn
3. Peter Reid

No one take anyone seriously who suggests Strachan was a worse manager then Thorn

 

[Astute]

Where is SP in the useless list? Strachan and Reid were both much better than him.

 

[ccfc92]

No one take anyone seriously who suggests Strachan was a worse manager then Thorn

Why am I reading this in a Jamaican accent?

 

[PTA]

Am I correct in saying Mark Robins has the highest win percentage of all time as City manager?

Oui.

 

[SlowerThanPlatt]

Strachan and Coleman have proved theirselves as good managers lately with Scotland and Wales

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Not so sure about Strachan. Coleman's only real disaster was with us, and tbh more his first full season, which was the only one he had a decent team.

 

[rupert_bear]

Sorry to be pernickety but I am going to be: -
1. Do you mean "of all time"? Or "since Jimmy Hill"? It cannot be both.
2. Whatever the answer to 1. ...Gordon Strachan? He will only be remembered by me as the man that spent lots & took us down! Roland Nilsson? Errr...did what to justify your choice? Are you serious? Or have you applied additional parameters - like "AND worst hairstyle" as well?

At face value -
1. Gordon Milne got our highest league finish (6th & a European berth)
2. George Curtis transformed & inspired us all...& finished 10th - AS WELL as winning the Cup (how can that feat be ignored???)
3. John Sillett...10th, 10th, 7th & 12th - our most sustained period of relatively successful seasons.

Noel Canwell was a good period but not sustained the same length of time.

If you add entertainment value into the mix - the top two remain the same & arguably so would Snozz...unless the fact we were two divisions lower can, like the FA Cup, be ignored - then those heady phases with Mark Robins or Eric Black might sneak in jut neither were over any really significant period of time.

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[rupert_bear]

Sky blue Bazza please get your facts right. It was Noel Cantwell who got us to 6th not Gordon Milne, I think our highest position I under his leadership was 7th which I think was our only top half finish during his management

 

[lifeskyblue]

Worst is easier than best. I really didn't like Reid...especially as he replaced Black who was doing ok and playing good football. We went backwards quickly with Reid. Next worse I think was Coleman....talked a good game but never seemed to watch the same game I did. Mind you he is doing great with Wales. And then Thorn....started ok but then started a diamond an with slow players who couldn't control a ball or find a 'killer' pass all season


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[SkyblueBazza]

Sky blue Bazza please get your facts right. It was Noel Cantwell who got us to 6th not Gordon Milne, I think our highest position I under his leadership was 7th which I think was our only top half finish during his management

The perils of going the easy route (Wiki) to source the data.

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[shmmeee]

Worst is easier than best. I really didn't like Reid...especially as he replaced Black who was doing ok and playing good football. We went backwards quickly with Reid. Next worse I think was Coleman....talked a good game but never seemed to watch the same game I did. Mind you he is doing great with Wales. And then Thorn....started ok but then started a diamond an with slow players who couldn't control a ball or find a 'killer' pass all season


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Terry Butcher. Fucking awful. And McAllister. Both worse than any of those three IMO.

 

[lifeskyblue]

I had forgotten Butcher....yes definitely in the top worse 3.


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[Otis]

I thought Coleman was good, thorn was OK but would've been decent with a bit of £££

I didn't think anyone believed Coleman was good.

 

[aodea]

Coleman was dreadful, he is doing ok with wales because Ramsey and more to the point Bale win him matches by themselves.

Strachan was dreadful really dislike him.

Mcallister, Nillson, Thorn all really poor. Presley in that bracket i guess as well.

Reid was a joke.

Atkinson was in the greater scheme of things not bad if you saw the players he brought in.

Liked Robins till he jumped ship.

Since the days of the prem we have had managers who have all underachieved given their targets were playoffs and promotion we have reached none.

Tony is the man to change it all.

 

[Voice_of_Reason]

Sorry to be pernickety but I am going to be: -
1. Do you mean "of all time"? Or "since Jimmy Hill"? It cannot be both.
2. Whatever the answer to 1. ...Gordon Strachan? He will only be remembered by me as the man that spent lots & took us down! Roland Nilsson? Errr...did what to justify your choice? Are you serious? Or have you applied additional parameters - like "AND worst hairstyle" as well?

At face value -
1. Gordon Milne got our highest league finish (6th & a European berth)
2. George Curtis transformed & inspired us all...& finished 10th - AS WELL as winning the Cup (how can that feat be ignored???)
3. John Sillett...10th, 10th, 7th & 12th - our most sustained period of relatively successful seasons.

Noel Canwell was a good period but not sustained the same length of time.

If you add entertainment value into the mix - the top two remain the same & arguably so would Snozz...unless the fact we were two divisions lower can, like the FA Cup, be ignored - then those heady phases with Mark Robins or Eric Black might sneak in jut neither were over any really significant period of time.

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I agree with you.. spot on !

 

[phildownunder]

Best

1/ Gordon Milne
2/ John Sillett
3/ Noel Cantwell

Worst
1/ Ron Atkinson (by a mile or more!)
2/ Terry Butcher
3/ Peter Reid

Three more just missed out on my worst list and deserve an "honourable" mention;- Aidy Bothroyd, Don Howe and Andy Thorn.

Making these lists reminded me of how bad things have been (apart from the FA cup win) for the past 35 years.

 

[phildownunder]

Atkinson was in the greater scheme of things not bad if you saw the players he brought in.

Really ?

 

[Otis]

Worst two have to be Thorn and McAllister I would say.

Then you've got to fight it out amongst the likes of Reid, Butcher, Done Howe etc.

Best? Well that is obviously ....


Tony Mowbray!

 

[phildownunder]

Atkinson was in the greater scheme of things not bad if you saw the players he brought in.

Really ?

 

[Otis]

Maybe better to say he was less bad than some of the others who were really bad.

 

[phildownunder]

Maybe better to say he was less bad than some of the others who were really bad.

We must agree to differ on that I guess.

 

[Otis]

For me McAllister was so much worse. One of the darkest ever periods in City's history. It was just so, so dire under his stewardship.

Thorn? Well the bloke simply was not a manager and should never have been given the job.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Worst two have to be Thorn and McAllister I would say.

Then you've got to fight it out amongst the likes of Reid, Butcher, Done Howe etc.

Best? Well that is obviously ....


Tony Mowbray!

Don Howe.

Worst. Manager. Ever.

 

[Gosford Green]

Best

1- Hill
2-Sillett
3-Sexton

Worst
1-Thorn
2-Reid
3-Butcher

 

[chiefdave]

Since I've been going to games (started in 86) I would rate Sillett as the best. He managed to get a lot out of a bunch of players no one else really wanted. To be honest I think things started to go downhill when he got pushed out. Was a fan of Nilsson as well and still think it was a mistake getting rid of him. Rated Dowie as well, we had some decent wins with him in charge, would have liked to see him stay when SISU took over and have a chance with a bit of money to spend.

Both Robins and Black did well but nether were here long enough to really be able to say if they could have maintained their performance.

Worst? Thorn was a disaster, seemed like a nice chap but totally out of his depth. Butcher was a shambles as a player and manager, his sending of in the Simod Cup or whatever it was called at the time just about sums up his time here. Reid, Atkinson and Coleman were all huge disappointments - expected a lot more from all of them.

 

[Paxman II]

I can't quite understand the animosity against Strachan? He spent what 5/6 seasons in charge? (a long period by management standards) and we had some great times and some great football under him. Yes it went wrong at the very end but as we see now the backing to keep us in the top flight was not there. It was some of the most entertaining and sustained period in the top flight I've ever seen.
Others such as Robins were here only 5 minutes. Black too while fondly thought about was in charge 5 minutes.

Listen this was put up for a bit of fun and banter. Those that want to exude loads of critical comments based around others choices is not what it's all about.

Simply make a top 3 in each category.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

He was given more resources than any manager bar Atkinson, and took us down. Twice in fact, as we only stayed up opne season because of a technicality.

What's not to loathe!

 

[Grendel]

I can't quite understand the animosity against Strachan? He spent what 5/6 seasons in charge? (a long period by management standards) and we had some great times and some great football under him. Yes it went wrong at the very end but as we see now the backing to keep us in the top flight was not there. It was some of the most entertaining and sustained period in the top flight I've ever seen.
Others such as Robins were here only 5 minutes. Black too while fondly thought about was in charge 5 minutes.

Listen this was put up for a bit of fun and banter. Those that want to exude loads of critical comments based around others choices is not what it's all about.

Simply make a top 3 in each category.

I think that the thread started oddly as you mentioned managers should be judged on league position but ignored sillett the most successful league manager we've had in the top flight.

So sillett is the best
Milne for longevity and continued top flight football is second
No one else has really succeeded. If I had to i would say robins but he was only here 5 minutes.

Thorn would win the award for most useless manager in football so he scoops the bottom list by a mile.

Butcher after that. His record isn't that dire actually but he ripped the squad up that sillett created and all his good work came unravelled.

Gould next as he was just an idiot. Especially first time around. Second time wasn't a lot better and being sacked on the toilet was a fitting epitaph.