It's really interesting on here.
Anyone defending Max is immediately accused of over-hyping and being part of a cult for some unknown reason
I know its not Biamous fault.. but you really don't see it?
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Football to some extent is a mirror of wider society. Look at politics today, Brexit voters = allegedly all racists, anyone who does not vocally hate Trump, the same. CNN viewers - all allegedly obsessed with intersectionality.It's really interesting on here.
Anyone defending Max is immediately accused of over-hyping and being part of a cult for some unknown reason by the same suspects who are determined to deride and criticise Max at every opportunity. The charge is that we see Max as the next Shearer/Premier League superstar/successor to Henry.
I don't think that's the case at all. But I do think the supporters of Max see a player who has always stepped up and make a very valuable contribution to the team when required and that a lot of the criticism is wide of the mark.
It's also interesting that even when Max has a great game - that the underlying criticism is still there - i.e. he's never been able to do it over 5-6 games. As if Max is expected in his lone striker role to dominate all defences in this division game after game. I don't think any of our strikers can do that - I'm a huge fan of Godden but even he wasn't dominating every game in L1 when we generally had all of the possession.
You can question all of our strikers at this level to be honest but I also think that God/Max and Walker bring different qualities to the team that sometimes we should appreciate more. Some of the criticism of what Max doesn't bring should be more balanced vs. what he does bring to the side. Similar to God/Walker, Walker for example isn't the hardest worker from what I've seen so far and is not suited to the lone front man role - but he looks like a clinical finisher when he has the opportunity.
Because of his ability, or because of the potential cost in wages ? I think he looks a quality player and we can't rely on Kelly playing enough games. I'd sign him (as long as we can also get other positions improved too. Mainly left wing back, centre back and striker (s). Plus a keeper.I still wouldn’t sign him
That left side is the weak link Hyam & mccallum needs to be finished after this seasonWith hyam he's clearly had an Indifferent season.. Im actually shit scared everytime the ball goes to him at the moment I have no clue why, just seems like his confidence is a bit shot.
He did make some key interceptions today so his defending was alot better, but with the ball at his feet it's a worry atm
It was great he went to our church and we got to know him when he was first here. He was wonderful with my son and gave him one of his shirts. He’s a softly spoken giant who has tried to make the most of his talentI like Biamou. Still don't think he is Championship standard though.
I do admire his energy and effort, but he lacks quality.
Definitely have him in the side before Bakayoko though any day of the week.
Yes, undoubtedly. I do think the Championship is a step too far for him though, to be anything other than just a bit player. That's if we want to do okay in this league.It was great he went to our church and we got to know him when he was first here. He was wonderful with my son and gave him one of his shirts. He’s a softly spoken giant who has tried to make the most of his talent
Yeah I agree and I reckon he would tooYes, undoubtedly. I do think the Championship is a step too far for him though, to be anything other than just a bit player. That's if we want to do okay in this league.
Always said I like him though and I do disagree with the 1-10 games that Grendel has alluded to. We certainly don't get close to 1 in 3 or 4 though.
Always works really hard and you get an outstanding performance from him maybe once in every 6 matches or so.
It was also an amazing privilege to be at his baptism and meet his family who were so proud of himYeah I agree and I reckon he would too
Instead of enjoying a fantastic win with 3 points he tries to point score over you...tiresome!You talk rot to be honest. You really are a very boring person and shows no interest in the fact we have won a crucial game.
Its the worryAlso has hyam lost weight? Looks thinner than last year, might be imagining it like
I’m buzzing from the result and in such a good mood but if you think Max was man of the match over O’Hare then I’ll find you make friends with you, get in with your family make, make your wife fall in love with me and leave you then make your kids call me dad instead of you. You’ll end up with a restraining order because we’ll make some shit up about you then I’ll take your kids home and away every game so you can never see city again.
The stats say Ben Wilson is one of the best goalkeepers we’ve ever had
Scored the winner. I don’t make the rules.
No they don’t. What are you on about?
You should probably avoid stats conversations you don’t seem to understand them.
They do tbf, didn’t various stats have him on par with Jan Oblak?
You can cherry pick a stat without context that’s the same and go “ha isn’t that funny these two have the same stat”. That’s not the same as saying they’re as good all round in their position as each other.
Im the same height as some NBA players. That’s an interesting fact not an application to the hall of fame.
Wilson has played about ten games. He’s going to have outlier stats
I think that’s Grendel’s point isn’t it
You're right.You can cherry pick a stat without context that’s the same and go “ha isn’t that funny these two have the same stat”. That’s not the same as saying they’re as good all round in their position as each other.
Im the same height as some NBA players. That’s an interesting fact not an application to the hall of fame.
Wilson has played about ten games. He’s going to have outlier stats
Whilst we're on about cherry picking stats, you have cheery picked from his goal against Rotherham to include the 11 goalless games between that and his forest goal to make him look as bad as possible.Dunno why the cult have woken up, it was his second goal in 20 games. Can’t wait for his next good performance on the final day of the season
Because of his ability, or because of the potential cost in wages ? I think he looks a quality player and we can't rely on Kelly playing enough games. I'd sign him (as long as we can also get other positions improved too. Mainly left wing back, centre back and striker (s). Plus a keeper.
Whilst we're on about cherry picking stats, you have cheery picked from his goal against Rotherham to include the 11 goalless games between that and his forest goal to make him look as bad as possible.
I could flip it and say
He's scored 2 in 9, not great but better, especially if I choose my stats for walker and godden to suit my purpose,
Biamou 2 in last 9
Walker 2 in last 10
Godden 1 in last 10
O'Hare 1 in last 34
I'm not trying to big up max, just more about how stats can be skewed to suit ones purposes.
However looking at that, thats pretty shocking from our 4 main attacking players which ever way you look at it.
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Pask was really good. Establishing himself as a useful squad player.
Or Biamou 25 in 57 startsHow about 22 in 106 for Biamou and 19 in 47 for Godden?
Or Biamou 25 in 57 starts
Godden is a far better striker, never said he wasn't. We desperately need him in the team right now, all I was doing was showing how stats can be manipulated.
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According to soccer base he hasbiamou Hasn’t scored 25 in 57 starts
According to soccer base he has
League 43 (45) 13 goals
FA cup 8 (3) 5 goals
League cup 2 (1) 1 goal
Other cup/JPT 4 (3) 6 goals
Total 57 (52) apps 25 goals.
But like other stats it's flawed because he's scored form the subs bench. Just showing how things can be massaged to suit your argument.
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Whilst we're on about cherry picking stats, you have cheery picked from his goal against Rotherham to include the 11 goalless games between that and his forest goal to make him look as bad as possible.
I could flip it and say
He's scored 2 in 9, not great but better, especially if I choose my stats for walker and godden to suit my purpose,
Biamou 2 in last 9
Walker 2 in last 10
Godden 1 in last 10
O'Hare 1 in last 34
I'm not trying to big up max, just more about how stats can be skewed to suit ones purposes.
However looking at that, thats pretty shocking from our 4 main attacking players which ever way you look at it.
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That equates to Biamou scoring 10 goals over the course of a full season. How lucky we are to have a 3rd or 4th choice striker capable of 10 goals in the Championship with the 2nd lowest budget in the league and in our first season back there!I've been through the godden stats with you... It was 4 in 10 before injury and came back played 5 a couple of which he played less than 20 minutes I believe and was clearly carrying still then went off injured for longer.
I think the 5 games upon return of injury are a bit harsh to judge him on tbh.
He also has more assists than Max this season
I have absolutely no doubt godden would score 15 goals in this division, he's too intelligent not too
He has 4 goals in 1032 minutes, a goal every 258 minutes, whilst playing mostly on his own and whilst struggling with a niggle for some of it
Biamou a goal every 413 minutes
Walker a goal every 251 minutes
That equates to Biamou scoring 10 goals over the course of a full season. How lucky we are to have a 3rd or 4th choice striker capable of 10 goals in the Championship with the 2nd lowest budget in the league and in our first season back there!
Thanks for clarifying what a 'full season' is.It does, that's if he played 90 minutes every match for 46 matches...
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