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Great_Expectations · Dec 28, 2023

I like them both. Eccles is continuously improving and his passing range is certainly getting better. He shows great leadership qualities too.

However Sheaf is the superior player. Stats can be argued but watch the game, he offers for the ball constantly, and in areas where he can actually receive it and make a progressive pass. He is the closest we have to a playmaker and technically superior.

This year he’s added more of a running game to his arsenal too. However, the downside is that mistakes have crept back in. I personally think he’s trying to play two roles; the one he did so successfully last year, and in the absence of a Hamer, is attempting to make things happen more. This is impacting concentration and decision making at times.

Additionally until recently, options ahead of him have been pretty limited, and as a CM if you have nowhere to go with the ball, you’re going to get caught. Same applies to Eccles.

mmttww · Dec 29, 2023

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
You're obsessed with Sheaf...

You've written literally thousands of words about him in a few days. You also keep digging out people for deflecting while chucking insults around when someone offers a counter argument. Reading you self aggrandise like you're an authority on anything is too good to ignore so well done, I'll bite.

It's like reading Simon Jordan talk. Hide a lack of substance and an inability to debate with a pile of word salad. The "we win more without him" line has been shown to be a massive load of balls, so now it seems like your strategy is to type loads until people get bored so you can claim a win.

I'm bored typing this; you win.

stupot07 · Dec 29, 2023

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
I think you need to research what a strawman argument is. I'll accept you may well even know but are just using another deflection to avoid having to look at the real points however.

You're obsessed with Sheaf, proved by your inability to analyse his overall performances properly, awarding him man of the match 99% of the time, critising Eccles for things Sheaf does but when that happens to Sheaf, turn the other cheek. Also threatening to block people because you can't handle being called out...

The only people that have said we missed Sheaf on Saturday are generally the ones in the same cult as you, that keep popping their heads up and embarrasing themselves because they cannot fairly analyse one player who in their eyes is flawless. It is damaging because despite for whatever reason, your selective reading, people often say Eccles is a league 1 player.

Like I said, I hope Sheaf and Eccles both play tomorrow and have great games. This weird tinted glasses shit is bizarre though, and has gotten so stupidly desperate.

The irony, you are the most obsessed about Sheaf, I just don't get it.

"your inability to analyse his overall performances properly, awarding him man of the match 99% of the time"

Here's My MOTM For the season so far. Nowhere near 99% of the time.

Leicester: Wilson 8
Boro: Sheaf 9
Swansea: Sheaf 7.5
Warford: Wright 7
Cardiff: Godden 7
Huddersfield: Simms 7
QPR: Simms & Allen joint 8
Blackburn: Wilson 9
Norwich: Saka 7.5
Bristol: Sheaf 7
Rotherham: Wilson 8
West Brom: Saka 7
Preston: Sheaf 7.5
Stoke: Bidwell 8
Millwall: Saka 9
Plymouth: Kitching Or Sheaf 8 ( also scored 4 other players an 8).
Ipswich: Bidwell 6.5
Birmingham: O'Hare 9.5
Southampton: Kitching 7.5
Leeds: Collins 8
Sunderland: Saka 8.5
Sheff Wed: Saka 8

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shmmeee · Dec 29, 2023

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
I didn't say the only reason we won or lost was because of one player. I just pointed out that the patterns are ridiculously coincidental, and that this one particular player 'first name on the team sheet' is not missed based on our results. This graph has nothing to do with that and is just essentially being used as a diversion to avoid making any consessions or sensible debate on the points I've made.

Results are the biggest metric, above anything else, no matter what clowns want to start analysing ridiculously narrow variables by doing such things as 'removing set pieces' from 'attacking stats', or talking about 'forward passing'. That's become predictable, but it's pretty clear now there's just a deeper obsession with this one player that means even facts are being bended anyway. You are a smart guy, and you know all of this though.

Even more weirdly, one of the posters doing this even said a few weeks ago that Eccles had been probably been better than Sheaf this season, but has got so dizzy trying to defend the indefensible since, and have a pop at me because their mate is on the other side, that they've started digging holes at silly levels.

I hope both Sheaf and Eccles play tomorrow and have great games, and we get the win, but this is all very desperate.

Your sensible debate point is “team results say something about a player”, my diversion to avoid making any concessions is “no they bloody well don’t and we have data to prove it”.

Sheaf is by all metrics one of the better DMs in the division. Eccles is up there too. How well the team performs is a completely separate variable to individual player performance.

The only person diverting and avoiding facts here is you. You ignore the wealth of individual player data and focus on an irrelevant metric for the task. One that’s been shown to give ridiculous results.

Sheaf and Eccles are good players, both top important defensive stat charts for us. IMO Sheaf has the better passing range and slightly better stats, Eccles looks like he can shoot better and is starting to beat a man but lacks passing range. I think we need another player with better vision and range than either of them, and as such IMO Eccles would make way.

Calista · Dec 29, 2023

stupot07 said:
Here's My MOTM For the season so far. Nowhere near 99% of the time.

Leicester: Wilson 8
Boro: Sheaf 9
Swansea: Sheaf 7.5
Warford: Wright 7
Cardiff: Godden 7
Huddersfield: Simms 7
QPR: Simms & Allen joint 8
Blackburn: Wilson 9
Norwich: Saka 7.5
Bristol: Sheaf 7
Rotherham: Wilson 8
West Brom: Saka 7
Preston: Sheaf 7.5
Stoke: Bidwell 8
Millwall: Saka 9
Plymouth: Kitching Or Sheaf 8 ( also scored 4 other players an 8).
Ipswich: Bidwell 6.5
Birmingham: O'Hare 9.5
Southampton: Kitching 7.5
Leeds: Collins 8
Sunderland: Saka 8.5
Sheff Wed: Saka 8

Your xMOTM for Sheaf is much higher though. You're failing to convert enough of them to MOTMs.

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · Dec 29, 2023

mmttww said:
You've written literally thousands of words about him in a few days. You also keep digging out people for deflecting while chucking insults around when someone offers a counter argument. Reading you self aggrandise like you're an authority on anything is too good to ignore so well done, I'll bite.

It's like reading Simon Jordan talk. Hide a lack of substance and an inability to debate with a pile of word salad. The "we win more without him" line has been shown to be a massive load of balls, so now it seems like your strategy is to type loads until people get bored so you can claim a win.

I'm bored typing this; you win.

There hasn't been any counter arguments. Every time a point is exhausted it goes to 'yeah, but'. 'You hate Sheaf' is another one, but the latest round of 'it seems like your strategy is to type loads until people get bored so you can claim a win' is also a reasonable effort.

This is all clearly over your head, the word salad and Simon Jordan lines being a clear indicator. I've made the same four or five points over and over, and they haven't been shown to be 'a massive load of balls' whatsoever. Not sure why you have chosen to get involved and embarrass yourself really.

Congratulations though, your cult t-shirt is in the post.

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · Dec 29, 2023

shmmeee said:
Your sensible debate point is “team results say something about a player”, my diversion to avoid making any concessions is “no they bloody well don’t and we have data to prove it”.

Sheaf is by all metrics one of the better DMs in the division. Eccles is up there too. How well the team performs is a completely separate variable to individual player performance.

The only person diverting and avoiding facts here is you. You ignore the wealth of individual player data and focus on an irrelevant metric for the task. One that’s been shown to give ridiculous results.

Sheaf and Eccles are good players, both top important defensive stat charts for us. IMO Sheaf has the better passing range and slightly better stats, Eccles looks like he can shoot better and is starting to beat a man but lacks passing range. I think we need another player with better vision and range than either of them, and as such IMO Eccles would make way.

This has gone all strawman as has been said many times.

A few people tried to get away with saying we missed Sheaf, when we had won 2-0, and the game before 3-0. It backfired and got called out so we've ended up down rabbit holes. We are now on endless debates about what certain niche statistics mean, when in the grand scheme compared to results, they mean very little. The core facts are there to see, but they've ended up triggering a select group of people.

My longstanding issue is the double standards that get given to two players that are by and large very similar. I don't really care if one is slightly better than the other at this or that. It has gotten ridiculous, and there's some people on here really showing themselves up.

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · Dec 29, 2023

stupot07 said:
The irony, you are the most obsessed about Sheaf, I just don't get it.

"your inability to analyse his overall performances properly, awarding him man of the match 99% of the time"

Here's My MOTM For the season so far. Nowhere near 99% of the time.

Leicester: Wilson 8
Boro: Sheaf 9
Swansea: Sheaf 7.5
Warford: Wright 7
Bristol: Sheaf 7
Rotherham: Wilson 8
West Brom: Saka 7
Preston: Sheaf 7.5
Stoke: Bidwell 8
Millwall: Saka 9
Plymouth: Kitching Or Sheaf 8 ( also scored 4 other players an 8).
Ipswich: Bidwell 6.5
Birmingham: O'Hare 9.5
Southampton: Kitching 7.5
Leeds: Collins 8

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You knew what I meant, but it still isn't the win you think it is.

1) You have rated him MOTM more than any other player
2) You haven't rated Eccles MOTM once
3) In nearly every ratings he is in the top bracket if not top spot
4) You've included 7 games on here that he didn't even play in to water down the results (I've removed them to show the weighting)

You have a soft spot for him. That's fine, he is a decent player. It has become a cult however, and you are one of the worst offenders!

mmttww · Dec 29, 2023

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
There hasn't been any counter arguments.

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
... is all clearly over your head

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
to get involved and embarrass yourself

How to tell people you're a thick, arrogant c*nt, without wearing a t-shirt that says "I'm a thick, arrogant c*nt!" You're giving my neighbourhood a bad rep with that username as well. Tosser.

fernandopartridge · Dec 29, 2023

hill83 said:
Chronically online this last page

I saw some bloke in the Wheatsheaf setting up a Tableau on his laptop to talk about the Sheff Wednesday match

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stupot07 · Dec 29, 2023

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
You knew what I meant, but it still isn't the win you think it is.

1) You have rated him MOTM more than any other player
2) You haven't rated Eccles MOTM once
3) In nearly every ratings he is in the top bracket if not top spot
4) You've included 7 games on here that he didn't even play in to water down the results (I've removed them to show the weighting)

You have a soft spot for him. That's fine, he is a decent player. It has become a cult however, and you are one of the worst offenders!

1) I haven't. Both Sheaf and Saka have 5 MOTM from me, it's irrelevant whether Sheaf was playing Or not
2) I haven't rated MVE, Dasilva, Thomas, Fadz, Binks, Kelly, Lati, Palmer, Ayari as MOTM either
3) probably because he is one of our best players, I base the ratings on what I see both on and off the ball. Whoscored also rates his performances, he is sitting top 3-4 of our squad.
4) to be honest that thought had never crossed my mind.

It's not a cult, you are literally the only person who has a personal issue with him, Or that some of us rate him. The only cult is you.

"I rate Sheaf...but he's shit...." Seems to be your argument.

Robins plays him every game he is fit, he has made him captain and he has only not played 90 minutes on one occasion because he was injured.

They are both good players, both can play together, but Sheaf is a better and more progressive passer which is all we have said.

I am definitely leaving it now.

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MalcSB · Dec 29, 2023

stupot07 said:
1) I haven't. Both Sheaf and Saka have 5 MOTM from me, it's irrelevant whether Sheaf was playing Or not
2) I haven't rated MVE, Dasilva, Thomas, Fadz, Binks, Kelly, Lati, Palmer, Ayari as MOTM either
3) probably because he is one of our best players, I base the ratings on what I see both on and off the ball. Whoscored also rates his performances, he is sitting top 3-4 of our squad.
4) to be honest that thought had never crossed my mind.

It's not a cult, you are literally the only person who has a personal issue with him, Or that some of us rate him. The only cult is you.

"I rate Sheaf...but he's shit...." Seems to be your argument.

Robins plays him every game he is fit, he has made him captain and he has only not played 90 minutes on one occasion because he was injured.

They are both good players, both can play together, but Sheaf is a better and more progressive passer which is all we have said.

I am definitely leaving it now.

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I’m not sure never having rated Ayari as MOTM helps your argument all that much

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